Fire Bloom .

[notin]

I thought Rule 5 players had to be on the 26 man roster a certain amount of time, of they are returned- no excuses, even 60 day IL.

 

They have to spend 162 games on the active MLB roster aka the 26 man roster. If they go on to 60 day IL, then those games continue counting when they get activated. (Like what happened with Adam Stern in Boston.)

[notin]

It means the Sox don’t want to hide anyone on the bench or in the pen this year. I’m ok with that.

 

If Ward sticks, it will be bad. Why keep Brasier on the 40 instead of Ward? Etc.

 

Ward will get every opportunity to stick. Who exactly is ahead of him on the National Disasters depth chart?

[moonslav59]

And, he has to remain on the active 26 man roster all season long- something the Nats can afford to do.

 

We were never going to add Song to our 40, this year, but I wish we had added Ward and Politi.

[mvp 78]

The Phillies can leave him on the military list until World War III, but they can’t let him throw a single pitch of minor league baseball until he spends 162 games on their active MLB roster…

 

I agree.

[notin]

And, he has to remain on the active 26 man roster all season long- something the Nats can afford to do.

 

We were never going to add Song to our 40, this year, but I wish we had added Ward and Politi.

 

Politi might wind up coming back.

 

But Ward? Nope. Gone.

 

Should have DFAd Ort!!

[moonslav59]

Politi might wind up coming back.

 

But Ward? Nope. Gone.

 

Should have DFAd Ort!!

 

Seems like a no-brainer. Ward > Ort, Ward > Brasier and Ward > DHern.

 

It may very well turn out to be of no or little consequence, but still...

[mvp 78]

Seems like a no-brainer. Ward > Ort, Ward > Brasier and Ward > DHern.

 

It may very well turn out to be of no or little consequence, but still...

 

They got a looong look at him after he came back from injury. Maybe his "stuff" hasn't returned. Maybe they determined that his upside is just "middle relief" profile going forward. He got injured in the AFL again. Maybe they just thought the value of him on the 40 man wasn't worth it. I disagree, but we'll see where 2023 takes us.

[moonslav59]

They got a looong look at him after he came back from injury. Maybe his "stuff" hasn't returned. Maybe they determined that his upside is just "middle relief" profile going forward. He got injured in the AFL again. Maybe they just thought the value of him on the 40 man wasn't worth it. I disagree, but we'll see where 2023 takes us.

 

The thing is Ort and DHern have nasty stuff- likely better than Ward, so maybe they value upside more than the floor.

 

Brasier, Ort and DHern may be gone, anyway, once we add the FAs we just signed and maybe 1-3 more.

[mvp 78]

The thing is Ort and DHern have nasty stuff- likely better than Ward, so maybe they value upside more than the floor.

 

Brasier, Ort and DHern may be gone, anyway, once we add the FAs we just signed and maybe 1-3 more.

 

I see the fascination with DHern for sure. Ort and Brasier can just go. They still need to drop someone to fit everyone onto the 40 man anyway. We'll see what happens.

[mvp 78]

@MikeSilvermanBB

Scenes from San Diego airport: Bloom “looked shell-shocked at times.” From ⁦@byJulianMack

 

"Old Red: Great Read, it was a 10/10!"

[Tedballgame]

Bloom traded Mookie for a poor return and loses Xander for nothing. Sox should have traded Xander and got something for him if they weren't going to give him a competitive offer. He also loses two good prospects in the Rule 5 draft while keeping some other bums on the 40 man roster. Fire Bloom now.

[mvp 78]

Bloom traded Mookie for a poor return and loses Xander for nothing. Sox should have traded Xander and got something for him if they weren't going to give him a competitive offer. He also loses two good prospects in the Rule 5 draft while keeping some other bums on the 40 man roster. Fire Bloom now.

 

Yes, they should have traded Xander, Eovaldi, JD and others last offseason. I agree.

[mvp 78]

Unfortunately, time to trade Raffy...

 

As an adult, don't have a favorite player...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@MikeSilvermanBB

Scenes from San Diego airport: Bloom “looked shell-shocked at times.” From ⁦@byJulianMack

 

"Old Red: Great Read, it was a 10/10!"

 

Don't tell me he's shell-shocked. If he truly is, he should get canned today.

 

Not even anyone on this board would offer a one-year contract extension to a client of Scott Boras and think that would work. If last Spring wasn't an intentional ploy to prepare Bogey's departure, then the whole front office should be replaced.

[mvp 78]

Don't tell me he's shell-shocked. If he truly is, he should get canned today.

 

Not even anyone on this board would offer a one-year contract extension to a client of Scott Boras and think that would work. If last Spring wasn't an intentional ploy to prepare Bogey's departure, then the whole front office should be replaced.

 

Maybe it was a ploy that Xander saw through which put the season on the wrong foot and they never recovered from.

 

"We lowballed Xander and all we got was the 14th overall pick and some comp guys."

[moonslav59]

I see the fascination with DHern for sure. Ort and Brasier can just go. They still need to drop someone to fit everyone onto the 40 man anyway. We'll see what happens.

 

By the time we finish filling out our 26 man roster, all three might be gone anyway, unless we make some 3 for 1 trade.

 

So, the comp should really be Ward and Politi vs the new #39 and #40. Would that be Park and Hosmer?

 

My guess is, we trade Dalbec for a non 40 man prospect and fins someone willing to make a 2 for 1 trade (Dugo & ____ for a SS, RF'er, RP'er or SP'er.

[moonslav59]

Don't tell me he's shell-shocked. If he truly is, he should get canned today.

 

Not even anyone on this board would offer a one-year contract extension to a client of Scott Boras and think that would work. If last Spring wasn't an intentional ploy to prepare Bogey's departure, then the whole front office should be replaced.

 

The minute we signed Story, I felt almost certain Bogey was gone.

[mvp 78]

By the time we finish filling out our 26 man roster, all three might be gone anyway, unless we make some 3 for 1 trade.

 

So, the comp should really be Ward and Politi vs the new #39 and #40. Would that be Park and Hosmer?

 

My guess is, we trade Dalbec for a non 40 man prospect and fins someone willing to make a 2 for 1 trade (Dugo & ____ for a SS, RF'er, RP'er or SP'er.

 

I'm not worried about Politi. Middle relief guys come and go. Ward leaving is unacceptable. He was the first damn pick.

[moonslav59]

I'm not worried about Politi. Middle relief guys come and go. Ward leaving is unacceptable. He was the first damn pick.

 

I'd say Ward might have more value than our 33-40 or 35-40 men on the 40.

 

Like you said earlier, maybe they saw something bad, and just plain gave up hope.

[Old Red]

Don't tell me he's shell-shocked. If he truly is, he should get canned today.

 

Not even anyone on this board would offer a one-year contract extension to a client of Scott Boras and think that would work. If last Spring wasn't an intentional ploy to prepare Bogey's departure, then the whole front office should be replaced.

Agree 100%. That offer last offseason to me was even worse than the Lester offer. Bloom wasn’t around then, but JH sure was. Bloom made the offer this time around, and is either stupid, or thinks Boras is, and either way it comes out as Bloom being stupid, and incompetent. I’m not against The Red Sox even closely matching San Diego’s offer, but how they handled Bogey before that still brings to the same opinion I’ve had all along that Bloom is in over his head.

[moonslav59]

Agree 100%. That offer last offseason to me was even worse than the Lester offer. Bloom wasn’t around then, but JH sure was. Bloom made the offer this time around, and is either stupid, or thinks Boras is, and either way it comes out as Bloom being stupid, and incompetent. I’m not against The Red Sox even closely matching San Diego’s offer, but how they handled Bogey before that still brings to the same opinion I’ve had all along that Bloom is in over his head.

 

If it's JH's call and "fault," maybe Bloom is precisely they type of GM that fits into these schemes. He does what he's told to do.

 

There have been some good and great points made about the short-comings of this management team that starts from the top dog (JH) and the next level "dogs."

 

Some serious mistakes have been made. I don't think anyone disagrees with that, and on this board that is really something.

 

It seems like a major change in strategy has been underway, and as MVP pointed out, the way our top dogs treat people on the way out or before they chose to leave has been pretty bad, since at least the Tito departure. It's hard to see that changing as long as JH is in charge, but what matters most to me is whether or not the new strategy is a winning one. If they are trying to become like the Astros, and there are some signs they are, then maybe it all works out in the end. We did not have the tank years like the Astros did to really build up the farm, but it looks like building up and keeping the farm strong has become a major priority. That helps for long term consistency and winning, but we have not gotten to that point, yet.

 

Letting some key players go does not mean the end of winning, if you do it correctly. The Astros just got comp picks for Springer, Cole, Correa and now Verander, but they had ML ready prospects and young players good enough to step in without missing much of a beat. It remains to be seen, if we reach their level, but it seems to me, it has to start with a strong and deep farm. Next comes building up a foundation of young, controllable players that gets you to the point where just 2-3 key FA additions are needed, each year- maybe just 1, some years. The budget needs to be in sync, so re-sets can occur every 2-3 years. It's a tough balancing act, and it takes time to get to that position.

 

I'm trying to stay optimistic, but we have just $40M left and no ace and a big hole in the middle of our line-up..

[notin]

I'm not worried about Politi. Middle relief guys come and go. Ward leaving is unacceptable. He was the first damn pick.

 

Agreed.

 

And Politi is probably 50/50 for getting returned. Ward right now might be the Nats’ 3 or 4…

[Bobe2]

If it's JH's call and "fault," maybe Bloom is precisely they type of GM that fits into these schemes. He does what he's told to do.

 

There have been some good and great points made about the short-comings of this management team that starts from the top dog (JH) and the next level "dogs."

 

Some serious mistakes have been made. I don't think anyone disagrees with that, and on this board that is really something.

 

It seems like a major change in strategy has been underway, and as MVP pointed out, the way our top dogs treat people on the way out or before they chose to leave has been pretty bad, since at least the Tito departure. It's hard to see that changing as long as JH is in charge, but what matters most to me is whether or not the new strategy is a winning one. If they are trying to become like the Astros, and there are some signs they are, then maybe it all works out in the end. We did not have the tank years like the Astros did to really build up the farm, but it looks like building up and keeping the farm strong has become a major priority. That helps for long term consistency and winning, but we have not gotten to that point, yet.

 

Letting some key players go does not mean the end of winning, if you do it correctly. The Astros just got comp picks for Springer, Cole, Correa and now Verander, but they had ML ready prospects and young players good enough to step in without missing much of a beat. It remains to be seen, if we reach their level, but it seems to me, it has to start with a strong and deep farm. Next comes building up a foundation of young, controllable players that gets you to the point where just 2-3 key FA additions are needed, each year- maybe just 1, some years. The budget needs to be in sync, so re-sets can occur every 2-3 years. It's a tough balancing act, and it takes time to get to that position.

 

I'm trying to stay optimistic, but we have just $40M left and no ace and a big hole in the middle of our line-up..

I watched this guy take over a World Series quality team in 2019, since then he traded away Mookie the current league mvp, gold glove winner and silver slugger 11 months after winning awards and World Series, to fatten the pot they added David Price who went 46 and 24 with the Sox and paid half his salary, for Verdugo, Wong and Downs, people on here have tried to say it was a good trade but I think we all know better, then the Benny trade, no major league return, He lets Bradley walk and gets Renfroe good move, then trades Renfroe for Bradley (why) He has a good team in 2021 and doesn’t fill the holes to make team stronger in 2022 (last place again), he brags about stealing Whitlock from rule 5 draft then loses 3 of his pitchers to rule 5,. He has made some good moves but the bad far outweigh the good, the treatment of homegrown talent at contract time is horrendous and it’s starting to show, two players opted for other teams one on equal deal and another for less money it’s looking like the Sox aren’t the destination team they used to be, this team looks to have no direction other than to just barley make the playoffs and for no particular reason the Saudi’s have offered JH 3 billion dollars for the soccer team

[Bellhorn04]

I watched this guy take over a World Series quality team in 2019

 

Bloom took over an 84-78 team. Let's not fudge the facts.

[mvp 78]

I'm trying to stay optimistic, but we have just $40M left and no ace and a big hole in the middle of our line-up..

 

They weren't getting an ace unless they traded for one anyway.

[mvp 78]

Adding Price to the deal didn't "fatten the pot," it actually reduced the return the Sox received.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Adding Price to the deal didn't "fatten the pot," it actually reduced the return the Sox received.

 

That was because LA was forced to take Price or there was no Mookie.

 

Until anyone working for the Sox at the time ever comes clean, I'll always assume getting rid of Price was a mandate, and maybe the priority.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

A long series of negotiating missteps and market misreads paved the way for the Red Sox to lose Xander Bogaerts to the Padres.

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/08/sports/xander-bogaerts-padres-red-sox/?event=event25

 

No s***, huh?

[Bobe2]

Bloom took over an 84-78 team. Let's not fudge the facts.

 

It was still a World Series quality team having an off year, we just won the ALEast three years in a row and a World Series, then a third place, I’m happy with that

[moonslav59]

That was because LA was forced to take Price or there was no Mookie.

 

Until anyone working for the Sox at the time ever comes clean, I'll always assume getting rid of Price was a mandate, and maybe the priority.

 

Agreed.

 

I think only 700 thought the Dodgers made out on the Price addition.