Fire Bloom .

[Bobe2]

Wong and RHern, more or less, rotated between C and DH at AAA, this year.

 

Ronaldo's rankings have slipped, a lot, over the last 2 years, but his bat looks pretty good for a catcher. I'm not sure how his defense rates. soxprospects has this...

 

Does not look comfortable behind the plate. Does not move well and really struggles with framing and receiving. Not a natural catcher, struggles with his glove position and getting down quickly to block balls in the dirt. Lack of mobility limits potential for improvement in the future. Potential below-average defensive profile.

 

Arm: Plus-plus arm. Does a good job controlling the running game. Arm is a weapon.

 

Summation: Potential up-and-down, bat-first catcher. Ceiling of an everyday catcher if he improves his defense and approach, but the likelihood of that happening is low. Type of defensive profile that could really benefit from robot umps. Power and arm are carrying tools, but questions about his approach, hit tool, and defensive profile cloud his future projection. Needs to improve hit profile to project as a major leaguer if defense stays as is. If he can even develop into a fringe-average defender with a below-average hit tool, could be an everyday player given his power and arm.

They have had him at first base on occasion, no errors yet but only a small sample

Edited September 18, 2022 by Bobe2

[moonslav59]

His OPS with the Red Sox should look pretty nice after today.

 

Good small samples are better than bad ones!

 

The thing is, we do not need a .700+ OPS from him to be a plus, so anything near or above that is gravy.

[Bellhorn04]

Strahm is really pitching well. Too bad he's a free agent.

[moonslav59]

Strahm is really pitching well. Too bad he's a free agent.

 

Yup.

 

He was doing pretty well before the injury, too.

[moonslav59]

Major Bloom Additions since the trade deadline 2020:

 

Pivetta & Seabold (Workman & Hembree)

Whitlock (Rule 5)

Renfroe (FA)

Andriese (FA)

Ottavino & German (cash)

Kike Hernandez (FA)

G Richards (FA)

Winckowski, Cordero, L de la Rosa, F Valdez & G Gambrell (Benintendi)

M Perez (FA)

Sawamura (FA)

Schreiber (Waivers)

M Gonzalez (FA)

M Barnes (Extended)

Schwarber (A Ramirez)

A Davis (Chavis)

H Robles (Scherff)

T Shaw (Waivers)

Iggy (Waivers)

(ERod refused QO)

Wacha (FA)

Hill (FA)

Paxton (FA)

Robles (FA)

JBJ, Binelas & Hamilton (Renfroe)

Refsnyder (MiLB FA)

Strahm (FA)

Diekman (FA)- traded for McGuire

T Story (FA)

Pham (Northcut)

McGuire & cash or PTBNL (Diekman)

E Valdez & W Abreu (Vazquez)

Hosmer, M Ferguson & C Rosier & cash (Groome)

 

Minor Additions:

Potts & Rosario (Moreland)

Jacob Wallace (Pillar)

V Santoz (CJ Chatham)

Z Bryant (Osich)

K Ort (MiLB Rule 5)

D Santana (MiLB FA)

Y Rios (cash)

Kier Meredith (undrafted FA)

Danish (MiLB FA)

T Shaw (MiLB FA)

Ja Davis (Waivers)

A Almonet (Cash)

Edited September 19, 2022 by moonslav59

[oldtimer]

Just a thought about what we might have done this season. Hunter Renfroe 250 BA with 25 HR and Kyle Schwaber 213 BA with 39 HR.

[Old Red]

4-6-10

 

Good offensive game today to pad some stats to make them look better than they have really been playing, and that includes Raffy, Bogey, and Kike, and JD.

 

4 games from the 500 mark with 16 games to go.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Old Red

[dgalehouse]

4-6-10

 

Good offensive game today to pad some stats to make them look better than they have really been playing, and that includes Raffy, Bogey, and Kike, and JD.

 

4 games from the 500 mark with 16 games to go.

 

The Sox were mathematically eliminated from the division race today. The countdown on the three wild card spots will now begin.

[moonslav59]

Some tiny sample sizes, here, but here are the Sox OPS leaders:

 

Red: Bloom acquired after 2021

Blue: Bloom acquired before the end of 2021 season

 

1.225 Chang

1/071 Almonte

.950 McGuire

.877 Devers

.855 Bogaerts

.851 Refsnyder

.782 Ja Davis

.767 Wong

.765 JD Martinez

.759 Vazquez

.737 Story

.735 Arroyo

.730 Verdugo

.723 Pham

.697 Cordero

.650 Hernandez

.648 Duran

.644 Dalbec

.611 Hosmer

.578 JBJ

.574 Plawecki

.490 Casas

.427 Downs

.322 Sanchez

.000 Shaw & Arauz

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

RBI every PA

75+ PAs

 

6.0 Story (It's 8.1, if you take away his big 6 games stretch)

6.8 Devers

7.6 Vaz

8.5 Bogey

8.6 Kike

8.8 Dugo

8.9 Arroyo

9.0 Pham

9.4 Refsnyder

9.4 Dalbec

9.5 Cordero

9.9 McQuire

10.0 JBJ

10.2 JD

12.9 Duran

 

Amazing how badly JBJ hit, this year, and he still has a better RBI ration than JD.

Edited September 19, 2022 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

Strahm is really pitching well. Too bad he's a free agent.

 

He wants to be a starter next season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox eliminated from the division 2 weeks before the end of the season. Oh happy day. I know you guys call the Yankee elimination Smiley Beni day. Weird now that he is on the Yanks, but so be it. What do we call the sox elimination day? What do we call the elimination day when they are almost certain to finish in last place? Jackpot day? Lol, just giving it back to you guys who thought from day 1 that the sox had a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything this year.

 

But I digress. I honestly think management needs to take the fall here. Whomever did not allow Bloom to sell off expiring assets from a dying team was absolutely stupid. Just abysmal general managing. I know JD and Eo had their warts around deadline time, but you could have gotten something useful before they ultimately cratered. Kike you extended, fine there. Xander would have returned a king's ransom. StL would have pushed their chips to the middle of the table in Waino and Yadi's last year to win a title. The fact they didn't pull the trigger on any of those guys is almost unforgiveable. Now, you see them all likely heading out of town and not enough replacements on the open market or in the minors to make the sox competitive. Without some Bloom magic, 2023 looks pretty bad for the sox

[mvp 78]

I believe it was named that prior to anyone even knowing who Andrew Benintendi was?

[Bellhorn04]

He wants to be a starter next season.

 

Yeah, you mentioned that. I'd like to keep him, but who knows what he'll want.

[Bellhorn04]

I believe it was named that prior to anyone even knowing who Andrew Benintendi was?

 

Correct. You even know your BDC history now.

[moonslav59]

Sox eliminated from the division 2 weeks before the end of the season. Oh happy day. I know you guys call the Yankee elimination Smiley Beni day. Weird now that he is on the Yanks, but so be it. What do we call the sox elimination day? What do we call the elimination day when they are almost certain to finish in last place? Jackpot day? Lol, just giving it back to you guys who thought from day 1 that the sox had a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything this year.

 

But I digress. I honestly think management needs to take the fall here. Whomever did not allow Bloom to sell off expiring assets from a dying team was absolutely stupid. Just abysmal general managing. I know JD and Eo had their warts around deadline time, but you could have gotten something useful before they ultimately cratered. Kike you extended, fine there. Xander would have returned a king's ransom. StL would have pushed their chips to the middle of the table in Waino and Yadi's last year to win a title. The fact they didn't pull the trigger on any of those guys is almost unforgiveable. Now, you see them all likely heading out of town and not enough replacements on the open market or in the minors to make the sox competitive. Without some Bloom magic, 2023 looks pretty bad for the sox

 

Even more unforgivable is the fact that we did not get under the tax line by trading a few guys.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, you mentioned that. I'd like to keep him, but who knows what he'll want.

 

Would he refuse to re-sign, if we said he would NOT start?

[Bellhorn04]

Would he refuse to re-sign, if we said he would NOT start?

 

I'll go with the standard answer: "Not if we're the highest offer."

[moonslav59]

I'll go with the standard answer: "Not if we're the highest offer."

 

Some of Bloom's signings and trades have been looking better, recently.

 

I don't hear a peep about trading Vaz, anymore.

[Bellhorn04]

Sox eliminated from the division 2 weeks before the end of the season. Oh happy day. I know you guys call the Yankee elimination Smiley Beni day. Weird now that he is on the Yanks, but so be it. What do we call the sox elimination day? What do we call the elimination day when they are almost certain to finish in last place? Jackpot day? Lol, just giving it back to you guys who thought from day 1 that the sox had a snowball's chance in hell of winning anything this year.

 

But I digress. I honestly think management needs to take the fall here. Whomever did not allow Bloom to sell off expiring assets from a dying team was absolutely stupid. Just abysmal general managing. I know JD and Eo had their warts around deadline time, but you could have gotten something useful before they ultimately cratered. Kike you extended, fine there. Xander would have returned a king's ransom. StL would have pushed their chips to the middle of the table in Waino and Yadi's last year to win a title. The fact they didn't pull the trigger on any of those guys is almost unforgiveable. Now, you see them all likely heading out of town and not enough replacements on the open market or in the minors to make the sox competitive. Without some Bloom magic, 2023 looks pretty bad for the sox

 

Even more unforgivable is the fact that we did not get under the tax line by trading a few guys.

 

Hard disagree. We still had a shot.

 

Frankly, the 2021 team's chances at a ring didn't look much better at the deadline than the 2022 team's.

 

The 2021 team was incredibly lucky to get into the playoffs. And then look what happened.

[mvp 78]

Correct. You even know your BDC history now.

 

My brain is irreparably broken by this place.

[mvp 78]

Some of Bloom's signings and trades have been looking better, recently.

 

I don't hear a peep about trading Vaz, anymore.

 

I wonder if Astros fans have liked the trade?

[moonslav59]

Hard disagree. We still had a shot.

 

Frankly, the 2021 team's chances at a ring didn't look much better at the deadline than the 2022 team's.

 

The 2021 team was incredibly lucky to get into the playoffs. And then look what happened.

 

I disagree. This team seemed to be going nowhere in July (8-19).

 

I started the 2023 thread on July 22nd. IMO, it was all but over by then.

[moonslav59]

I wonder if Astros fans have liked the trade?

 

He has hit .544 for them.

 

He has started 19 games out of 43, so he is not really even their FT starter.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

Exactly. They were dead on arrival at the deadline and a Hosmer/Pham pickup was supposed to fix that? Really terrible general managing. Someone would have given up a top 100 prospect for Bogey, maybe two.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Exactly. They were dead on arrival at the deadline and a Hosmer/Pham pickup was supposed to fix that? Really terrible general managing. Someone would have given up a top 100 prospect for Bogey, maybe two.

 

... for two, maybe three whole months of Bogaerts? Oh, the horrors -- trading a prospect who might never make it for an All-Star who may help you win a World Series. You're not seriously talking about a minor leaguer who you'd control for six years, and who may make the majors... and even be a regular... for a guy only leading all MLB shortstops in WAR?

 

And you think a team might've parted with two prospects? That would be like getting 12 years of control for a pair of players that no one has any idea would even be big leaguers!!!

 

I just remember what someone posted here when the new Chief Baseball Officer took over in 2019: "Chaim Bloom never loses a trade."

[moonslav59]

Exactly. They were dead on arrival at the deadline and a Hosmer/Pham pickup was supposed to fix that? Really terrible general managing. Someone would have given up a top 100 prospect for Bogey, maybe two.

 

The Pham/Hosmer deals cost us just about nothing, and we got Ferguson and Rosier with Hosmer. Pham has an option for 2023 and maybe a decent 4th OF'er or platoon DH.

 

The McGuire deal was brilliant.

 

The Vaz deal looks fine. The two prospects are hitting very well, this year, and Abreu lead the minors in BBs, while stealing over 30 bases. Enmanuel Valdez will likely see the bigs in 2024.

[moonslav59]

... for two, maybe three whole months of Bogaerts? Oh, the horrors -- trading a prospect who might never make it for an All-Star who may help you win a World Series. You're not seriously talking about a minor leaguer who you'd control for six years, and who may make the majors... and even be a regular... for a guy only leading all MLB shortstops in WAR?

 

And you think a team might've parted with two prospects? That would be like getting 12 years of control for a pair of players that no one has any idea would even be big leaguers!!!

 

I just remember what someone posted here when the new Chief Baseball Officer took over in 2019: "Chaim Bloom never loses a trade."

 

Getting under the tax line would have been a big plus.

 

Unless we re-sign Bogey, keeping him made little sense, to me. (He'd have had to okay a trade.)

 

Trading JD or Nate or both made more sense.

[Bellhorn04]

I disagree. This team seemed to be going nowhere in July (8-19).

 

I started the 2023 thread on July 22nd. IMO, it was all but over by then.

 

The facts are these:

 

-They were 3 games out a Wild Card spot at the deadline.

-Players on the IL at the time but expected back included Sale, Story, Kike and possibly Paxton.

 

Obviously many of us felt the team was "going nowhere". But management of the Boston Red Sox doesn't have the luxury of thinking that way. They've got fans paying a lot of money to answer to.

[Bellhorn04]

Exactly. They were dead on arrival at the deadline and a Hosmer/Pham pickup was supposed to fix that? Really terrible general managing. Someone would have given up a top 100 prospect for Bogey, maybe two.

 

Easy to say when they're not even your team.