Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

It can be used against players, too. Varitek was considered a clubhouse leader, and when the Sox collapsed in 2011 and had all the finger-pointing, he was getting blamed for not providing leadership.

 

I think being a leader on the field, and a leader in the clubhouse are two different things, and don’t necessarily lead to the same results.

Edited September 19, 2022 by Old Red

[notin]

Not necessarily none of the above.

 

Then why exactly is it important?

[notin]

As if...

 

Hunter Renfroe Age 30 8.7 fWAR

Dwight Evans Age 30 36.8 fWAR

 

 

You need to account for inflation…

[moonslav59]

You can be a good clubhouse leader, but that doesn’t mean that results will carry over to the playing field. I think you could win a championship, but that doesn’t necessarily mean you are a good clubhouse leader, and you could be a good clubhouse leader, but on a last place team. I don’t think results on the field automatically carry over to the clubhouse, and vice versa, so if you are saying the club has a losing record this year, because the clubhouse leaders are bad, and the team needs new ones the you could say the same thing about the manager could you not?

 

Yes, exactly, and vice versa.

[notin]

Ahh judging the old John Henry to think he will follow past ways.

 

Yes. Amuch smarter approach than to think he’s going to drop more than a quarter of a billion dollars just to appease some whiny old man on BDC…

[Bobe2]

He often resets, and several times goes 2-3 years not going over the mark.

 

We can all hope or complain about spending more, but until he does, I'm assuming he continues as he has been doing for 2 decades.

 

All the years Henry overspent coincide with the years that he won championships except 2013

[notin]

Team chemistry begins and ends with the coach and the way he relates to his players. I think that players like playing for Cora which can be a very good thing but depending on the type of player you are working with it can present some problems.

 

 

If that’s the case, then trading Vazquez had nothing to do with disrupting team chemistry, since the team kept Cora…

[notin]

All the years Henry overspent coincide with the years that he won championships except 2013

 

But he still kept resetting anyway.

 

I don’t think he minds spending. I think he just doesn’t like taxes…

[Bobe2]

But he still kept resetting anyway.

 

I don’t think he minds spending. I think he just doesn’t like taxes…

 

I agree, but that tv money that they get from mlb every year would pay the lux tax plus sign Bogaerts Devers, Judge and Betts if he was avalible 100,000,000.00 is quite a kickback every year from mlb isn’t this money’s intention to improve the team

[notin]

I agree, but that tv money that they get from mlb every year would pay the lux tax plus sign Bogaerts Devers, Judge and Betts if he was avalible 100,000,000.00 is quite a kickback every year from mlb isn’t this money’s intention to improve the team

 

History has shown he keeps spending at $240-250mill maximum. Then he makes the GM go below the limit.

 

It’s a simple pattern. Don’t expect too much variation…

[Bobe2]

History has shown he keeps spending at $240-250mill maximum. Then he makes the GM go below the limit.

 

It’s a simple pattern. Don’t expect too much variation…

 

What makes things difficult is is that the lux tax cap only went up $3,000,000.00 and players salaries are climbing at a crazy rate to build in spurts like he has in the past and not having those 4 or 5 players locked in, is going to get harder and much more expensive

[Bellhorn04]

But he still kept resetting anyway.

 

I don’t think he minds spending. I think he just doesn’t like taxes…

 

And if the taxes were like normal taxes, and didn't have all the surcharges for repeat payers, he probably wouldn't mind the taxes that much.

[Bobe2]

And if the taxes were like normal taxes, and didn't have all the surcharges for repeat payers, he probably wouldn't mind the taxes that much.

 

That could be why they are releasing everybody lately, they were over the lux tax this year if they get under they get reset and the tax isn’t calculated until the end of the year

[Bellhorn04]

As for the departure of Vaz, how about McGuire so far? With the Red Sox he's hitting 394/429/521 for a 950 OPS in 79 PA's. Obviously unsustainable small sample magic, but his career OPS of 682 is respectable for a catcher. Not really sure why the White Sox would trade him for the likes of Diekman.

[Bellhorn04]

Diekman might go down as one of my all-time least liked Red Sox players. Didn't like it from the start. Couldn't believe Chaim liked his numbers and thought he was a better pick than McHugh.

[moonslav59]

All the years Henry overspent coincide with the years that he won championships except 2013

 

He times his spending, when we have a solid foundation and we seemed to be just 1-2 key pieces away from being highly competitive. 2013 was not supposed to be "that kind of year."

 

IMO, 2022 was not "that kind of year," either. I was hoping 2023 might be, but now, I'm not so optimistic.

[moonslav59]

I agree, but that tv money that they get from mlb every year would pay the lux tax plus sign Bogaerts Devers, Judge and Betts if he was avalible 100,000,000.00 is quite a kickback every year from mlb isn’t this money’s intention to improve the team

 

He didn't get rich by not looking for ways to make more and more profits. The Sox aren't his toy- well, maybe a little bit.

 

Until we see evidence JH is going to change his ways, I'm going on the assumption he will continue spending way more than most owners do, but try very hard to never go over the tax line for 3 straight years and to try and avoid going way over in year two, which happens to be 2024, due to us not staying under in 2021.

 

Like it or not, this seems to be our reality. We can wish and wish all we want. We can make reasonable points about how he should be able to spend way more and still turn a profit, but that doesn't change the reality.

 

Maybe, someday he changes his methods.

 

[moonslav59]

What makes things difficult is is that the lux tax cap only went up $3,000,000.00 and players salaries are climbing at a crazy rate to build in spurts like he has in the past and not having those 4 or 5 players locked in, is going to get harder and much more expensive

 

Hence the need to build up the farm, so we can have some low cost, yet talented players coming up nearly every year, and sometimes 2-3 in some years. It's really the only way to build a sustainably winning team. Expecting a GM to get 90% of all his moves right is just plain unrealistic, and when you have a solid farm, you can get by with a GM who gets 50-75% right.

 

Maybe you have to plan on winning in cycles and not try every year. That doesn't mean tank or suck in between, like we have, at times, but just not expect us to go all in, every year.

 

We are currently seeing the results of going all in from 2016-2018.

 

[moonslav59]

That could be why they are releasing everybody lately, they were over the lux tax this year if they get under they get reset and the tax isn’t calculated until the end of the year

 

The players we are releasing are still getting paid by us, even if they are claimed, and it's all pro-rated, anyway.

 

Had we traded JD at the deadline, we'd only have saved about $7M. We are $11M over, now. Trading Nate would have saved about $6M. That's assuming the team we traded them to wanted no cash or return salary dump players.

[moonslav59]

Diekman might go down as one of my all-time least liked Red Sox players. Didn't like it from the start. Couldn't believe Chaim liked his numbers and thought he was a better pick than McHugh.

 

I remember catching grief for questioning that signing. People said, "It's only $4M," but I wondered why this guy got 2 years, when hardly anyone else did.

 

Oh wait, I forgot- we never question Bloom's greatness.

[moonslav59]

As for the departure of Vaz, how about McGuire so far? With the Red Sox he's hitting 394/429/521 for a 950 OPS in 79 PA's. Obviously unsustainable small sample magic, but his career OPS of 682 is respectable for a catcher. Not really sure why the White Sox would trade him for the likes of Diekman.

 

2 years of Diekman, too! (They basically paid him $5M.)

 

I liked McGuire for his defense and intangibles, but if he can turn his offense up a notch... WOW!

[dgalehouse]

We certainly don't know all that goes on behind the scenes , but it does seem that Bloom is not too respected in the Sox' clubhouse. What I would like to know is how Cora feels about the whole thing.

[cp176]

If that’s the case, then trading Vazquez had nothing to do with disrupting team chemistry, since the team kept Cora…

 

Absolutely right! The more yap you hear from the inmates, the more the manager needs to be involved. Players expressing themselves on the outside quite often isn't a good thing.

[Bellhorn04]

We certainly don't know all that goes on behind the scenes , but it does seem that Bloom is not too respected in the Sox' clubhouse. What I would like to know is how Cora feels about the whole thing.

 

It could also be that the Boston media don't like Bloom and they're looking for any chance to put him in a negative light.

[Old Red]

16 games left in the season.

 

4 games from 500

 

5 games back from the O’s, and from sitting at the kiddie table, and a last place finish in the Div.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

It could also be that the Boston media don't like Bloom and they're looking for any chance to put him in a negative light.

 

Now why would the Boston media don’t like Bloom?

[Bellhorn04]

Absolutely right! The more yap you hear from the inmates, the more the manager needs to be involved. Players expressing themselves on the outside quite often isn't a good thing.

 

Seems like pretty minor stuff to me, getting blown out of proportion because the team is having a crap year. Strictly my opinion.

[Bellhorn04]

Now why would the Boston media don’t like Bloom?

 

Because of the Tampa Bay North thing, mainly. Shaughnessy has been all over that from Day One.

 

BTW I didn't realize how right you were about Belichick being in the crosshairs until I read Shaughnessy's column before the Pats second game. The Boston media is seriously after Bill now, it seems.

[notin]

We certainly don't know all that goes on behind the scenes , but it does seem that Bloom is not too respected in the Sox' clubhouse. What I would like to know is how Cora feels about the whole thing.

 

Does any GM ever get high marks from the clubhouse? The guy who trades and releases players and argues against raises in arbitration hearings is likely to not be as popular as you think…

Edited September 20, 2022 by notin

[notin]

Now why would the Boston media don’t like Bloom?

 

Because the overwhelming bulk of the Boston sportswriters community thinks complaining = intelligent commentary…