Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

I believe you, but I do think you tend to think their views reflect the views of Red Sox nation, as a whole. You sure mention them, a lot.

 

Probably so, but for the record I don’t frequent the talk shows much anymore. The Red Sox are pretty much on the back burner these days, and it’s mostly Pats talk.

[Old Red]

They were a loaded team, but Brady gave them the confidence they needed.

 

I don't think they win without him.

 

No they probably wouldn’t have, but I don’t think the Pats would have been as competitive either the last two years if Brady would have stayed in Boston.

[Old Red]

Whether Brady was run out of town or just didn't want to live near dumpy Foxboro in the cold winter anymore is up for interpretation. I think it's unsurprising that he went somewhere warm and to a team that he could just pull a Brett Favre on. It's good for the Bucs short term, long term they are in trouble.

 

I think it’s more like the wife didn’t want to live near dumpy Foxboro anymore.

[cp176]

You really learn what the media wants you to learn. Is a clubhouse filled with grown men of varying backgrounds, cultures, languages and attitudes ever the harmonious place we think it is even when a team is winning?

 

I believe in good team chemistry. I believe it makes a big difference in the overall performance of a team. I have seen many many teams win when it really didn't look like they had a chance to win. i really don't have anything to say about the chemistry of this year's team. I could care less about what the sports media tries to feed me. If there are issues in the Red Sox clubhouse then it is up to Cora to deal with them. Regardless of the fact that these are grown men playing professionally they still want and need to be coached.

[Old Red]

I believe in good team chemistry. I believe it makes a big difference in the overall performance of a team. I have seen many many teams win when it really didn't look like they had a chance to win. i really don't have anything to say about the chemistry of this year's team. I could care less about what the sports media tries to feed me. If there are issues in the Red Sox clubhouse then it is up to Cora to deal with them. Regardless of the fact that these are grown men playing professionally they still want and need to be coached.

And coddled.

[notin]

No, we are seeing the results of extending guys after winning it all in 2018 to risky contracts. This was caused by the mismanagement in the 2018-19 offseason.

 

I’ve been saying this for months. Of course I’ve been told that since it’s been 3 years, all those “Plan B” contracts have transferred responsibility and Bloom officially signed them now. It’s like some sort of Common Law thing, apparently…

[notin]

I believe in good team chemistry. I believe it makes a big difference in the overall performance of a team. I have seen many many teams win when it really didn't look like they had a chance to win. i really don't have anything to say about the chemistry of this year's team. I could care less about what the sports media tries to feed me. If there are issues in the Red Sox clubhouse then it is up to Cora to deal with them. Regardless of the fact that these are grown men playing professionally they still want and need to be coached.

 

 

I think chemistry might be nothing more than a phrase co-opted by sports journalists who one day woke up and realized they might struggle to write 800 word articles every day that say nothing more than “the team played bad.”

[cp176]

And coddled.

 

probably not the word I would choose but it's cora's to figure out who needs to be coddled and who needs to be kicked in the ass. i don't think that it would have made much of a difference with respect to winning and losing this year - they are just bad.

[Old Red]

I’ve been saying this for months. Of course I’ve been told that since it’s been 3 years, all those “Plan B” contracts have transferred responsibility and Bloom officially signed them now. It’s like some sort of Common Law thing, apparently…

DD has gotten all the blame for the Sale contract, and there is, or wasn’t anything that Bloom could do about it.

[cp176]

I think chemistry might be nothing more than a phrase co-opted by sports journalists who one day woke up and realized they might struggle to write 800 word articles every day that say nothing more than “the team played bad.”

 

 

I don't know anything about Boston sports writers in particular . I do know something about team chemistry. My definition of it likely isn't the same as yours.

[Old Red]

probably not the word I would choose but it's cora's to figure out who needs to be coddled and who needs to be kicked in the ass. i don't think that it would have made much of a difference with respect to winning and losing this year - they are just bad.

 

Agree, and I don’t think Cora is much into ass kicking.

[mvp 78]

It had a lot to do with not being able to call up capable prospects.

 

It had a lot to do with not being able to spend more on a closer, pen depth and a RH'd hitting OF'er.

 

It had a lot to do with one massive hole in the rotation: Sale, himself.

 

Plus, the 3 first place finishes got us lower draft picks for 3 years straight.

 

MLB draft picks are a huge crap shoot. That really has so little to do with how your farm system is ranked.

 

They had a cheap RH'd OFer and dumped him.

 

They spent money on a closer and his arm disappeared.

 

They chose not to put real money on a guy like Jensen and put it towards JBJ/Diekman instead. It was a choice. They still went over.

[mvp 78]

I think it’s more like the wife didn’t want to live near dumpy Foxboro anymore.

 

The same thing.

[mvp 78]

I’ve been saying this for months. Of course I’ve been told that since it’s been 3 years, all those “Plan B” contracts have transferred responsibility and Bloom officially signed them now. It’s like some sort of Common Law thing, apparently…

 

I've been saying this for months plus a few days.

[mvp 78]

DD has gotten all the blame for the Sale contract, and there is, or wasn’t anything that Bloom could do about it.

 

And it's not Bloom's fault that Mookie skipped town. You can complain about not getting "enough" of a return. You'd be wrong, but you have a right to that complaint. That's on Henry/DD.

[Old Red]

The same thing.

 

Not quite. Brady is still playing, and the wife doesn’t want him to.

[Old Red]

And it's not Bloom's fault that Mookie skipped town. You can complain about not getting "enough" of a return. You'd be wrong, but you have a right to that complaint. That's on Henry/DD.

 

Henry has always gotten the blame for Mookie leaving town along with Mookie himself.

[notin]

I've been saying this for months plus a few days.

 

I e been saying this for months plus a few days and several hours.

 

And a bunch of minutes. I can’t forget about those minutes…

[Bellhorn04]

It was Sale AND Eovaldi. Two questionable moves for guys with health concerns. This directly led to Mookie going to LA.

 

Not sure about that. I think they tried to extend Mookie first and it went nowhere. The Sale and Eovaldi moves came after that.

[Bellhorn04]

Eovaldi extended for 4 years:

2019: bad

2020: ok, but hard to judge because it was only partial year

2021: great

2022: bad

 

Sorry, but I think the Eovaldi extension was a bad one. I know we all like Nasty Nate TM here. It's time to admit it wasn't a good contract.

 

FanGraphs says:

 

Actual value provided by Eovaldi: $56 million.

Total AAV of contract: $57.3 million (after pro-rating 2020).

 

The catch is that about 80% of the value came in 2021.

 

My verdict: average/mediocre.

[Bellhorn04]

I think Brady got way to much credit for the Bucs winning his first year there. True they needed a good QB, which he still was, but the Bucs were loaded on offense, and added more to it, and the D was pretty good too.

 

Yes, but Brady is money, there's no way around it. He gives his teams a huge chance to win. The personnel around him keeps changing, the wins keep coming.

[moonslav59]

Henry has always gotten the blame for Mookie leaving town along with Mookie himself.

 

So has Bloom.

[Old Red]

So has Bloom.

 

Not for making the trade at all, but what he got back in return. I have never blamed Bloom for the trade.

Edited September 20, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

Yes, but Brady is money, there's no way around it. He gives his teams a huge chance to win. The personnel around him keeps changing, the wins keep coming.

 

The Red Sox got rid of the Babe, and to a lesser extent Mookie, and the Pats let Brady walk out of town. It doesn’t get much bigger than that.

[moonslav59]

Not for making the trade at all, but what he got back in return. I have never blamed Bloom for the trade.

 

Others have, and you and others have complained about the return, a lot, despite information that has shown not much better was offered, although we'll never know if other, better offers were ever made.

 

At the time of the trade, many blamed Bloom for not "finding a way" to keep him. Some even said things like, "He should have convinced Henry to pay him."

[mvp 78]

Not sure about that. I think they tried to extend Mookie first and it went nowhere. The Sale and Eovaldi moves came after that.

 

Oh, yeah. We're you in Dave's office when the negotiations were happening???

[moonslav59]

Revisit this long-running thread:

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/19692-Mookie-Betts-and-David-Price-have-been-traded-to-Dodgers/page56

[mvp 78]

FanGraphs says:

 

Actual value provided by Eovaldi: $56 million.

Total AAV of contract: $57.3 million (after pro-rating 2020).

 

The catch is that about 80% of the value came in 2021.

 

My verdict: average/mediocre.

 

Those value amounts are definitely inflated though.

[mvp 78]

Revisit this long-running thread:

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/19692-Mookie-Betts-and-David-Price-have-been-traded-to-Dodgers/page56

 

No thank you.

[moonslav59]

Those value amounts are definitely inflated though.

 

They are FA Market values, not based on average MLB cost.