Will there be a 2022 season?

[moonslav59]

57 days to go until settlement of the "issues". MLBPA to present their offers . That will at least define the gap between owners and players union. Then they can begin negotiating.

 

Having been to Fenway, Tropicana and Marlins stadium, I can say that one's historical, one's hysterical and one is across the freeway from an airport. Actually Tropicana does have good sight lines, and some interesting baseball museum type displays . Plus you can spread out, change seats etc since there are not a lot of folks around you.

 

I was there for opening day for the infamous closer by committee season, where we blew a big lead late in the game. It was pretty full, that day, but yess, I was able to move around.

 

I actually liked the stadium and atmosphere.

 

There were no catwalk incidents that game.

[notin]

57 days to go until settlement of the "issues". MLBPA to present their offers . That will at least define the gap between owners and players union. Then they can begin negotiating.

 

Having been to Fenway, Tropicana and Marlins stadium, I can say that one's historical, one's hysterical and one is across the freeway from an airport. Actually Tropicana does have good sight lines, and some interesting baseball museum type displays . Plus you can spread out, change seats etc since there are not a lot of folks around you.

 

 

I was down in St. Pete a couple months ago and saw that Stadium for the first time. The way it gets talked about, I thought it was out in the middle of nowhere Florida. It’s right the highway!! I’m not saying that makes it ideal, but I do wonder what gives it the bad reputation…

[notin]

I was there for opening day for the infamous closer by committee season, where we blew a big lead late in the game. It was pretty full, that day, but yess, I was able to move around.

 

I actually liked the stadium and atmosphere.

 

There were no catwalk incidents that game.

 

Nearly 20 years later, and we still call it “closer by committee” and not the more accurate and less exciting name “closer by Chad Fox.”…

[moonslav59]

Nearly 20 years later, and we still call it “closer by committee” and not the more accurate and less exciting name “closer by Chad Fox.”…

 

Something about Florida and "hanging chads!"

[moonslav59]

I was down in St. Pete a couple months ago and saw that Stadium for the first time. The way it gets talked about, I thought it was out in the middle of nowhere Florida. It’s right the highway!! I’m not saying that makes it ideal, but I do wonder what gives it the bad reputation…

 

There is also more than 1 bridge to get to the stadium from Tampa.

 

I'm not sure the "traffic situation" is any worse in Tamps than other stadium areas.

[mvp 78]

I was down in St. Pete a couple months ago and saw that Stadium for the first time. The way it gets talked about, I thought it was out in the middle of nowhere Florida. It’s right the highway!! I’m not saying that makes it ideal, but I do wonder what gives it the bad reputation…

 

It's been explained above. Read for yourself, lazy.

[Bellhorn04]

Nearly 20 years later, and we still call it “closer by committee” and not the more accurate and less exciting name “closer by Chad Fox.”…

 

"Closer by committee" has the same kind of unfortunate ring as "bridge season". Very contagious.

[jad]

It's been explained above. Read for yourself, lazy.

 

EVERYTHING said on any sports board has been said and explained before (as has this assertion).

[mvp 78]

EVERYTHING said on any sports board has been said and explained before (as has this assertion).

 

It is now my job to come up with an argument that has never been had on here before...

[moonslav59]

It is now my job to come up with an argument that has never been had on here before...

 

The 2022 MLB Work Stoppage was neither about work or a stoppage.

 

Talk amongst yourselves...

[Bellhorn04]

It is now my job to come up with an argument that has never been had on here before...

 

And now you've got all weekend to think about it.

[mvp 78]

And now you've got all weekend to think about it.

 

Get ready to do a deep dive on Carney Lansford, everybody.

[mvp 78]

Going back over the past 9 decades, create the best Sox lineup without reusing a decade:

 

20's Raffy 3B

10's Papi DH

00's Youk 1B

90's Garciaparra SS

80's Dewey RF

70's Fisk C

60's Smith CF

50's Ted Williams LF

40's Doerr 2B

[notin]

40s DiMaggio CF

50s Jensen RF

60s Yastrzemski LF

70s Burleson SS

80s Boggs 3b

90s Pedroia 2b

00s Varitek C

10s Martinez DH

20s Casas 1b

 

I didn’t want to repeat any of your players.

 

The 20s is a bit of a projection, I assume, given that the team has only played 220 games so far…

Edited January 21, 2022 by notin

[moonslav59]

No repeats but back 10 decades...

30's Foxx 1B

40's Stephens SS

50's Pesky 2B

60's Petrocelli 3B

70's Lynn CF

80's Gedman C

90's Mo Vaughn DH

00's Manny LF

10's Betts RF

20's (Devers 1B if my 1930's pick not allowed or Devers 3B 20's and George Scott 1B in the 60's- no Rico)

[Nick]

Let me be stupid and ask the following question.

 

If the MLB season is cancelled, assuming minor league teams go ahead with their season, do we benefit? With improved farm, will we benefit from our younger kids getting to play another year? Do we benefit from expiring contracts while maintaining player controlled years on pre-arb and arb guys?

[Nick]

No repeats but back 10 decades...

30's Foxx 1B

40's Stephens SS

50's Pesky 2B

60's Petrocelli 3B

70's Lynn CF

80's Gedman C

90's Mo Vaughn DH

00's Manny LF

10's Betts RF

20's (Devers 1B if my 1930's pick not allowed or Devers 3B 20's and George Scott 1B in the 60's- no Rico)

 

Rico is my favorite Red Sox....I became a fan in 1967 at the age of 11.

[jad]

Let me be stupid and ask the following question.

 

If the MLB season is cancelled, assuming minor league teams go ahead with their season, do we benefit? With improved farm, will we benefit from our younger kids getting to play another year? Do we benefit from expiring contracts while maintaining player controlled years on pre-arb and arb guys?

 

No, we don't, because we miss a season of baseball. There's no making up for that, period.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

20s David Hamilton DH (for now); 52 stolen bases in '21 minors -- always a need for speed

10s Jackie Bradley Jr. RF

00s Pokey Reese SS

90s Troy O'Leary LF; go ahead, walk Nomar to pitch to him...

80s Oil Can Boyd 3B (decent infielder when I played against him; good switch-hitter, too)

70s Cecil Cooper 1B; most hits AL 1977-85

60s Elston Howard C

50s *Willie Mays CF

40s *Jackie Robinson 2B

*the Red Sox scouted both, and in my alternate reality, actually signed them

[notin]

Surprised no other entries

 

40s Birdie Tebbetts C

50s Jimmy Piersall CF

60s Frank Malzone 3b

70s Jim Rice LF

80s Don Baylor DH

90s Trot Nixon RF

00s Mark Loretta 2b

10s Mike Napoli 1b

20s Xander Bogaerts SS

 

I challenge any of you to make a better one…

[moonslav59]

Rico is my favorite Red Sox....I became a fan in 1967 at the age of 11.

 

I became a Sox fan after Rico was moved to 3B. He was one of my faves, too.

 

Tommy Harper was my first fave- back from his days in Milwaukee.

[oldtimer]

Surprised no other entries

 

40s Birdie Tebbetts C

50s Jimmy Piersall CF

60s Frank Malzone 3b

70s Jim Rice LF

80s Don Baylor DH

90s Trot Nixon RF

00s Mark Loretta 2b

10s Mike Napoli 1b

20s Xander Bogaerts SS

 

I challenge any of you to make a better one…

 

Here is mine:

 

40's Bobby Doerr 2B

50's Ted Williams LF

60's Carl Yazstremski 1B

70's Carlton Fisk C

80's Wade Boggs 3B

90's Nomar Garciaaparra SS

00's David Ortiz DH

10's Mookie Betts RF

20's Enrigue Hernandez CF

 

 

I am not certain of the rules, but if they ever played the position for the Sox and if they played during the era I put them in.

[notin]

Here is mine:

 

40's Bobby Doerr 2B

50's Ted Williams LF

60's Carl Yazstremski 1B

70's Carlton Fisk C

80's Wade Boggs 3B

90's Nomar Garciaaparra SS

00's David Ortiz DH

10's Mookie Betts RF

20's Enrigue Hernandez CF

 

 

I am not certain of the rules, but if they ever played the position for the Sox and if they played during the era I put them in.

 

 

The only rule was one player per decade. Not re-using names was my own unofficial addition…

[moonslav59]

The only rule was one player per decade. Not re-using names was my own unofficial addition…

 

I know, but the idea made it more interesting.

[jad]

I'm not certain of the rules, which make no sense if Williams is not included.

[moonslav59]

I'm not certain of the rules, which make no sense if Williams is not included.

 

There was only the rule of one player from each of the last 9 decades.

 

Some of us decided to try and not repeat names already used.

 

Of course, Ted Williams would be on every list, following the original intent of this event.

 

[Bellhorn04]

I'm passing because I know I'm not going to do any better than has already been done. The best choices get used up quick.

[Bellhorn04]

I can see that pretty soon I'm going to have to put up my baseball philosophy thread, probably making quite a fool of myself in the process...

[Nick]

CBA ultimately is about "show me the money" from players' perspective.

 

Average major league payroll is $4.17M while the median payroll is $1.15M.

 

There are 20 players earning over $25M per annum while over 100 players make $10M or more. Obviously this skews the average payroll, which is much higher than the median payroll.

 

I guess if 50% of the players make $1.15M or more, question becomes how sympathetic are YOU to the plight of these players? Many Americans don't earn that amount in their lifetime.

 

You say that their careers are short? Who cares? They can go get a job like anyone else. It's little different than football. Their heads are not getting bashed in every Sunday. Yeah there are exceptions but most walk away and get old like everybody else.

 

Many here despise the owners. I don't. My answer is why don't you become wealthy and buy a major league team? Then you can give away all of your money to the players.

 

Without laying blames, is the real issue paying someone like Trout $37M per year? I just bring this up because the players union can not stand for all the players. There's too much disparity in pay among 832 players. I have no problems with Trout making $37M per. And I'm not going to get upset if Angels pay other players the league minimum to counter Trout's contract.

 

Season will happen.

 

Something has to give. Players can only get better wages if the PIE gets bigger. The PIE gets bigger primarily through local television deals. Smart owners DO NOT take wealth from their successful ventures to subsidize their baseball teams. They got there by making each business stand on its own merit.

 

If the PIE hasn't gotten bigger, players union is in a bad spot.

Edited January 23, 2022 by Nick

[Nick]

Addendum.

 

I've has this constant argument with my friends. I bring up college basketball.

 

I have a group of friend that believe players should be paid. They claim players are the stars.

 

My counter argument is that players are simply caricature in a great play. It's the colleges that have joined together to provide great entertainment for its audience.

 

Players turnover every year. But the success of college basketball continues. Why? There's always ready supply of talented basketball players. You put a marquee jersey on them, the play continues. There will always be another Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan etc.

 

I think it's same in baseball. There are 16, 14 and 12 year olds readying themselves to be the next Trout. I can't ever fathom a situation where I would say what the hell, where are all the talent in major league baseball? As long as there are youths dreaming to become a major leaguer, there will be players that will play for million bucks. How is players' union going to fight that?

 

Are 832 players ready to forego entire year's salary? For what gain?

Edited January 23, 2022 by Nick