Will there be a 2022 season?

[mvp 78]

I think most players like to win, and then party. And even if they lose they'll probably still party.

 

Could be wrong, but I think that coincides with a lot of fans.

 

^^^

[mvp 78]

The players don’t care what it costs to win. Ultimately that dis influence what fans have to pay. That’s the difference…

 

Some owners don't care enough to pay the amount it would take to make a successful organization.

[mvp 78]

A significant lowering of ticket prices would increase the size of the crowd , but not necessarily the size of the gate. The owners are always going to try and maximize profits. That is why , in addition to the high ticket prices, you are not permitted to bring your own food and drink into the park. You have to buy their overpriced concessions. And single pay doubleheaders are rare. And the playoffs have been expanded. And so on.

 

1. Increase ticket costs.

2. Allow fans to bring coolers to the ballpark and they don't get checked by security.

[mvp 78]

But this lockout isn't about cutting ticket prices. In fact, the OWNERS - not the players - are responsible for the lockout. To add insult to injury they've also INCREASED ticket prices in Ft. M this spring!

 

^^^

 

The players gave the owners a list of what they wanted to negotiate for. The owners didn't even counter. They got a stooge to announce that they will issue a plan sometime this month. We're already 6 weeks past when the MLBPA reached out to the owners.

[mvp 78]

This is what Andrew Miller said about CBA negotiations:

 

"Fans want to go out and see a competitive product every night and that's what we want... the best version of baseball. No matter where they catch a game, no matter what time of year."

 

I think the players values are more aligned with the fans than the owners.

[moonslav59]

This is what Andrew Miller said about CBA negotiations:

 

"Fans want to go out and see a competitive product every night and that's what we want... the best version of baseball. No matter where they catch a game, no matter what time of year."

 

I think the players values are more aligned with the fans than the owners.

 

I think so, too, and they usually understand what fans want to see. Some are clowns, but most know.,

[S5Dewey]

^^^

 

The players gave the owners a list of what they wanted to negotiate for. The owners didn't even counter. They got a stooge to announce that they will issue a plan sometime this month. We're already 6 weeks past when the MLBPA reached out to the owners.

 

It looks like the owners are spoiling for a fight. As a bit of anecdotal evidence, In the 10 years prior to 2020 I probably watched 125 games a year on NESN and went to Fenway for 2-3 games a year. Then due to the virus that number was cut by probably 75%. Yeah, I missed it a little but I also learned that life goes on without MLB. Now I'm geared up for baseball again but I could be described as a "rabid fan". How's this lockout going to wash with the more casual fans?

 

The owners need to take a close look at how this lockout may affect the more casual fan. They may be killing this goose that continually lays golden eggs at their feet.

[mvp 78]

It looks like the owners are spoiling for a fight. As a bit of anecdotal evidence, In the 10 years prior to 2020 I probably watched 125 games a year on NESN and went to Fenway for 2-3 games a year. Then due to the virus that number was cut by probably 75%. Yeah, I missed it a little but I also learned that life goes on without MLB. Now I'm geared up for baseball again but I could be described as a "rabid fan". How's this lockout going to wash with the more casual fans?

 

The owners need to take a close look at how this lockout may affect the more casual fan. They may be killing this goose that continually lays golden eggs at their feet.

 

That is a very good point about casual fans moving on. MLB has a history of not being able to market itself very well. It used to be the #1 sport, but is probably #3 at this point.

[S5Dewey]

That is a very good point about casual fans moving on. MLB has a history of not being able to market itself very well. It used to be the #1 sport, but is probably #3 at this point.

 

Behind soccer, too?

[mvp 78]

I think so, too, and they usually understand what fans want to see. Some are clowns, but most know.,

 

Even the clowns can be good for business at times. People were very enamored with Puig for his first few seasons.

[mvp 78]

Behind soccer, too?

 

Football

Basketball

Baseball

Hockey

Soccer

 

Soccer is tough to score because I don't think MLS is very popular, but I think Premier League and other leagues are. I know that a lot of kids play soccer and are no longer playing baseball.

 

Rankings in terms of overall revenue:

NFL (if you added college football, it wouldn't be close)

MLB

NBA (if you added college basketball, does it surpass MLB)

NHL

MLS

 

TV Ratings/Revenue rankings:

NFL

NBA

MLB

NHL

MLS

 

Franchise Valuations:

NFL

NBA

MLB

NHL

MLS

[S5Dewey]

In my own defense, tongue-in-cheek humor doesn't always carry well on line.

 

But thanks for the info. It corroborates what I believe most people think.

[moonslav59]

Even the clowns can be good for business at times. People were very enamored with Puig for his first few seasons.

 

Some, yes.

 

I was thinking more about Baez and Met fans.

[Elktonnick]

Football

Basketball

Baseball

Hockey

Soccer

 

Soccer is tough to score because I don't think MLS is very popular, but I think Premier League and other leagues are. I know that a lot of kids play soccer and are no longer playing baseball.

 

Rankings in terms of overall revenue:

NFL (if you added college football, it wouldn't be close)

MLB

NBA (if you added college basketball, does it surpass MLB)

NHL

MLS

 

TV Ratings/Revenue rankings:

NFL

NBA

MLB

NHL

MLS

 

Franchise Valuations:

NFL

NBA

MLB

NHL

MLS

 

I recently read that Forbes valued Liverpool as being a more valuable franchise than the Red Sox. So if you were John Henry where would you focus more of your attention ? Where is there more growth potential in Premier League Football or Major League Baseball?

[moonslav59]

I recently read that Forbes valued Liverpool as being a more valuable franchise than the Red Sox. So if you were John Henry where would you focus more of your attention ? Where is there more growth potential in Premier League Football or Major League Baseball?

 

He has other business ventures more worthy of his "focus" than either of these two.

 

My guess is he is highly focused on making all his ventures as successful as possible, but maybe the thrill his ego gets when a team of his wins a championship add some extra attention.

 

He also delegates authority and responsibility to others who each take their portion of his portfolio as their number one priority.

 

[Elktonnick]

He has other business ventures more worthy of his "focus" than either of these two.

 

My guess is he is highly focused on making all his ventures as successful as possible, but maybe the thrill his ego gets when a team of his wins a championship add some extra attention.

 

He also delegates authority and responsibility to others who each take their portion of his portfolio as their number one priority.

 

 

Please enlighten us which of John Henry's business ventures are more worthy of his focus than either Liverpool or the Red Sox.

[Bellhorn04]

I recently read that Forbes valued Liverpool as being a more valuable franchise than the Red Sox. So if you were John Henry where would you focus more of your attention ? Where is there more growth potential in Premier League Football or Major League Baseball?

 

Well, I learned something new today.

 

Liverpool 4.1 billion (wow!)

Red Sox 3.5 billion

[moonslav59]

Please enlighten us which of John Henry's business ventures are more worthy of his focus than either Liverpool or the Red Sox.

 

Maybe equally worthy, but he made the money he used to buy teams from his investment firm. but I think he stopped that work, so I guess I was wrong there. I think he also a majority stakeholder in NESN and the Fenway Sports Group. Isn't he still involved in NASCAR and some newspapers?

 

He's probably still heavily involved in his own personal investment choices.

[Elktonnick]

Well, I learned something new today.

 

Liverpool 4.1 billion (wow!)

Red Sox 3.5 billion

What is more enlightening is that I believe the Premier League and football (soccer) in general shows more growth potential in the near term than does American baseball, at least that's what the international investment community is thinking.

[mvp 78]

I recently read that Forbes valued Liverpool as being a more valuable franchise than the Red Sox. So if you were John Henry where would you focus more of your attention ? Where is there more growth potential in Premier League Football or Major League Baseball?

 

I don't care where Henry's attention is, I just want his checkbook.

[mvp 78]

What is more enlightening is that I believe the Premier League and football (soccer) in general shows more growth potential in the near term than does American baseball, at least that's what the international investment community is thinking.

 

I think I've put us down a rabbit hole. The original conversation was about ticket prices for fans. I'm not sure the international market plays much of a role in that.

[Elktonnick]

I think I've put us down a rabbit hole. The original conversation was about ticket prices for fans. I'm not sure the international market plays much of a role in that.

 

Haven't you heard we are in a global economy. The NBA is more concerned with what the Chinese government thinks than what the average American fan thinks. I believe MLB owners are much the same. They are thinking more about opportunity costs on a global scale than you give them credit for.

[dgalehouse]

What is more enlightening is that I believe the Premier League and football (soccer) in general shows more growth potential in the near term than does American baseball, at least that's what the international investment community is thinking.

 

MLB needs more hooligans in it's fan base. Liven things up a bit.

[Elktonnick]

MLB needs more hooligans in it's fan base. Liven things up a bit.

 

That was the way it used to be.

 

The Royal Rooters were led by Michael T. McGreevy, nicknamed "Nuf Ced", owner of the 3rd Base Saloon in Boston. While McGreevy was certainly the spiritual (in both libations and foundations) leader of the Royal Rooters, Mayor of Boston John F. Fitzgerald, the maternal grandfather of John F. Kennedy, served as chairman for a while, and during that time, M. J. Regan was the secretary. Other members included C. J. Lavis, L. Watson, T. S. Dooley, J. Keenan, and W. Cahill, among others.

 

On game days the Royal Rooters marched in procession from the 3rd Base Saloon to the Huntington Avenue Grounds, which was the team's home field before Fenway Park opened in 1912. The Rooters had a reserved section of seats along the third base line, close enough to the field to intimidate or distract opposing players with their insults and vicious taunts. The 1912 World Series went down in Rooter history as the Rooters' seats on “Duffy's Cliff” were sold to other fans; the Rooters became angry and mounted police were called in to stop the riot.

[dgalehouse]

That was the way it used to be.

 

The Royal Rooters were led by Michael T. McGreevy, nicknamed "Nuf Ced", owner of the 3rd Base Saloon in Boston. While McGreevy was certainly the spiritual (in both libations and foundations) leader of the Royal Rooters, Mayor of Boston John F. Fitzgerald, the maternal grandfather of John F. Kennedy, served as chairman for a while, and during that time, M. J. Regan was the secretary. Other members included C. J. Lavis, L. Watson, T. S. Dooley, J. Keenan, and W. Cahill, among others.

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On game days the Royal Rooters marched in procession from the 3rd Base Saloon to the Huntington Avenue Grounds, which was the team's home field before Fenway Park opened in 1912. The Rooters had a reserved section of seats along the third base line, close enough to the field to intimidate or distract opposing players with their insults and vicious taunts. The 1912 World Series went down in Rooter history as the Rooters' seats on “Duffy's Cliff” were sold to other fans; the Rooters became angry and mounted police were called in to stop the riot.

 

" McGreevy led the charge into the park. Stormed the gates and put the game on hold. "

[notin]

MLB needs more hooligans in it's fan base. Liven things up a bit.

 

Maybe so more lively promotions, like Butcher Knife Day or Cattle Prod Day or Stranger Things’ Bat Full of Nails Day…

[dgalehouse]

Maybe so more lively promotions, like Butcher Knife Day or Cattle Prod Day or Stranger Things’ Bat Full of Nails Day…

 

10 cent beer night might work.

[harmony]

What is more enlightening is that I believe the Premier League and football (soccer) in general shows more growth potential in the near term than does American baseball, at least that's what the international investment community is thinking.

In their shared seasons Major League Baseball already takes a back seat to Major League Soccer in the Pacific Northwest.

[mvp 78]

Haven't you heard we are in a global economy. The NBA is more concerned with what the Chinese government thinks than what the average American fan thinks. I believe MLB owners are much the same. They are thinking more about opportunity costs on a global scale than you give them credit for.

 

It's a different conversation.

[mvp 78]

In their shared seasons Major League Baseball already takes a back seat to Major League Soccer in the Pacific Northwest.

 

This says more about the Mariners than it does about MLS vs MLB.

 

Terrible self own here.