Will there be a 2022 season?

[mvp 78]

@BNightengale

Progress: The last time MLB and the players association met face-to-face in Texas the meeting lasted 7 minutes.

Today’s session was about two hours and included significant proposals

[mvp 78]

@EvanDrellich

Source: MLBPA withdraws proposal to allow players to get to free agency before 6 years. Made modified revenue sharing proposal as well

[Nick]

Bobby D does have an .819 career OPS and a 115 wRC+. While that is not great and is not close to Youk and AGon in their prime, Bobby D might still improve.

 

If not, maybe Casas is our next AGon/Youk.

 

I'm rooting for him to stick with Sox He maybe moved to another position with Casas coming in.

[mvp 78]

I'm rooting for him to stick with Sox He maybe moved to another position with Casas coming in.

 

DH, give Casas and Devers a breather from time to time.

[Bellhorn04]

@EvanDrellich

Source: MLBPA withdraws proposal to allow players to get to free agency before 6 years. Made modified revenue sharing proposal as well

 

Sounds like some actual movement. Good news.

[moonslav59]

Sounds like some actual movement. Good news.

 

Let's see how the owner respond.

[oldtimer]

Let's see how the owner respond.

 

I would expect the back and forth proposal and counterproposal with each leading to some progress. If both sides remain seriously interested in a resolution, perhaps it can get done by mid February.

[Hugh2]

Obviously anything short of "we have reached an agreement" isn't great news but at this point I just see this as posturing. I'm still hopeful that there will be a regular start to the season, but.....we should expect things to heat up (one way or another) over the next cou0ple weeks.

[mvp 78]

I would expect the back and forth proposal and counterproposal with each leading to some progress. If both sides remain seriously interested in a resolution, perhaps it can get done by mid February.

 

That's about where I thought things would get finalized. We'll see. It could always go sideways if ownership doesn't give any concessions.

[moonslav59]

I'm interested to see what the owners counter with.

[S5Dewey]

As I've said, when things get done they get done quickly but it's going to take more than their swapping proposals. That's just posturing.

 

They need to get together at the same table and take the time to hear what the other party has to say. They then can get a sense of what's most important to the other party and start dealing with those issues. Until they do that they're not going to come up with an agreement that's satisfactory to both sides. Instead they'll have an agreement that leaves everyone frustrated that their needs weren't even heard which will lead to an even bigger s***-show when this new CBA is over.

[mvp 78]

Apparently, deputy commissioner Dan Halem said that MLB owners are willing to lose games over some of the outstanding issues. However, that might not work for some owners like Dick Monfort of the Rockies who complained about the struggle to afford running a franchise with increased costs due to security and COVID.

 

Maybe paying Charlie Blackmon 20M/year wasn't a good idea? Who can save these poor owners from themselves?!?!?

[Bellhorn04]

Apparently, deputy commissioner Dan Halem said that MLB owners are willing to lose games over some of the outstanding issues. However, that might not work for some owners like Dick Monfort of the Rockies who complained about the struggle to afford running a franchise with increased costs due to security and COVID.

 

Maybe paying Charlie Blackmon 20M/year wasn't a good idea? Who can save these poor owners from themselves?!?!?

 

And how about those poor Texas Rangers, who were only able to scrape together a measly $500 mill for Seager and Semien.

[moonslav59]

As I've said, when things get done they get done quickly but it's going to take more than their swapping proposals. That's just posturing.

 

They need to get together at the same table and take the time to hear what the other party has to say. They then can get a sense of what's most important to the other party and start dealing with those issues. Until they do that they're not going to come up with an agreement that's satisfactory to both sides. Instead they'll have an agreement that leaves everyone frustrated that their needs weren't even heard which will lead to an even bigger s***-show when this new CBA is over.

 

Agreed, but adjusting and swapping proposals before the big crunch time meeting is usually necessary.

[moonslav59]

And how about those poor Texas Rangers, who were only able to scrape together a measly $500 mill for Seager and Semien.

 

Hearing some of these owners cry poverty is a joke.

[mvp 78]

And how about those poor Texas Rangers, who were only able to scrape together a measly $500 mill for Seager and Semien.

 

Life is just not fair to these guys.

[S5Dewey]

Agreed, but adjusting and swapping proposals before the big crunch time meeting is usually necessary.

 

Yes, they have to get to a starting point.

 

I'm of the feeling that it taking almost two weeks to form a reply is just more posturing. Both sides want to make it appear that they're not in any rush to get this settled. Posturing.

[moonslav59]

Yes, they have to get to a starting point.

 

I'm of the feeling that it taking almost two weeks to form a reply is just more posturing. Both sides want to make it appear that they're not in any rush to get this settled. Posturing.

 

Indeed, but it's good to see some movement. I think the players gave up a big thing. Let's see what the owners respond with.

[notin]

Hearing some of these owners cry poverty is a joke.

 

 

But.. but… but… Jeff and Elon and Richard all have rockets!! All I have is this airplane!

 

You just don’t get rich people problems, do you?

[mvp 78]

But.. but… but… Jeff and Elon and Richard all have rockets!! All I have is this airplane!

 

You just don’t get rich people problems, do you?

 

But I wanna go to space toooooooooooooo!!!!! It's not fair!

[moonslav59]

But.. but… but… Jeff and Elon and Richard all have rockets!! All I have is this airplane!

 

You just don’t get rich people problems, do you?

 

I get them, all too well.

[mvp 78]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-economic-impact-of-yesterdays-cba-proposals/

 

In 2021, teams spent roughly $3.842 billion on player salaries, per Spotrac. Minimum salaries accounted for roughly $289 million of that, or 7.5% of the total outlay.

 

On the other hand, those players accounted for roughly 47% of the service time accrued in 2021. That’s not quite the same as games played – you accrue service time while on the injured list or while on the 26-man roster but not appearing in games – but the player pool skews heavily towards pre-arbitration players no matter how you slice it. 58% of all players to appear on a 26-man roster in 2021 haven’t yet reached arbitration.

 

I'm surprised the % of players on minimum salary is that high, but it makes sense.

 

But now that the two sides have common ground on how they’ll address this part of compensation, a solution strikes me as likely. This part of the argument is over how much more money pre-arb players should get — and the disagreement is roughly $150 million, or a bit over 1% of league revenues. That sounds like a bridgeable gap.

 

If the sides can reach an agreement here — not a given, but something I’m optimistic about — that’s one item crossed off the list. All that remains is the competitive balance tax, changes to the draft, restrictions on tanking, a new playoff structure, a proposed international draft… well, lots of things remain. But at least a little bit, Tuesday’s meeting moved one thing to the “likely to be resolved” side of the ledger.

[moonslav59]

 

But now that the two sides have common ground on how they’ll address this part of compensation, a solution strikes me as likely. This part of the argument is over how much more money pre-arb players should get — and the disagreement is roughly $150 million, or a bit over 1% of league revenues. That sounds like a bridgeable gap.

 

 

This issue and solution seems like the most obvious fix and not extremely costly solution.

 

If the majority of players make min wage or are pre-arb, it seems easy to just please them and get a majority vote from the player.

 

Raising their salaries by a lot would all but ensure their votes and would not really affect the bottom line all that much, except for maybe the very stingiest teams, who pay almost all their roster min or near min wage.

 

There are more issues that need to be settled, but tis seems like an easy give by the owners.

[dgalehouse]

It is kind of crazy when we are talking about a half million bucks and upwards being the " minimum wage". Not to mention the billionaires being unable to afford to field a contender. I think it is hard for Joe Lunchbox to relate to any of this.

[jad]

It is kind of crazy when we are talking about a half million bucks and upwards being the " minimum wage". Not to mention the billionaires being unable to afford to field a contender. I think it is hard for Joe Lunchbox to relate to any of this.

 

I don't really "relate to" any of the uber-rich entertainers I watch, whether on sports fields or movie screens. Why would I?

[dgalehouse]

I don't really "relate to" any of the uber-rich entertainers I watch, whether on sports fields or movie screens. Why would I?

 

I have no idea. I meant that the average fan may have difficulty relating to this current dispute between the players and owners. You sir , are free to relate, or not relate, to anything you choose.

[moonslav59]

I have no idea. I meant that the average fan may have difficulty relating to this current dispute between the players and owners. You sir , are free to relate, or not relate, to anything you choose.

 

Does it make a difference if the average fan does not relate to the negotiations of the wants of each side?

 

They just want to see baseball. Who they blame, if there is no baseball, might not matter much either.

[mvp 78]

My career earnings as a CPA will probably beat the career earnings of 50% of MLB players. They earn as much as they can in their 20's and 30's. I get to stretch it out until I die formatting an Excel spreadsheet. I can kinda relate to the guys at the bottom, but not to the guys making Hollywood $$$.

[Bellhorn04]

My career earnings as a CPA will probably beat the career earnings of 50% of MLB players. They earn as much as they can in their 20's and 30's. I get to stretch it out until I die formatting an Excel spreadsheet. I can kinda relate to the guys at the bottom, but not to the guys making Hollywood $$$.

 

I relate to the players only insofar as they give me entertainment.

[mvp 78]

I relate to the players only insofar as they give me entertainment.

 

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