Will there be a 2022 season?

[Nick]

This may be off-tangent, and I don't even know the attention-span for average entertainment, but it seems like the movie industry, long ago, calculated the optimum time at around 2 hours... anything longer was considered long. The reason I bring this up: I was just surfing through Netflix last night and saw an actual category called 90-Minute Movies -- it must've been invented for busy modern viewers who can't possibly devote any more time that that to watch.

 

That makes sense.....

 

You know there was a time when Jim Kaat/Ron Guidry games would last little over two hours.......

[jad]

That makes sense.....

 

You know there was a time when Jim Kaat/Ron Guidry games would last little over two hours.......

 

The analogy isn't that great. The reason movie makers like shorter movies is that each individual theatre can put on more of them in a day, no? You get a greater number of admissions.

[dgalehouse]

Just like ballgames , movies used to be shorter . Double features were common. Bygone days.

[notin]

That makes sense.....

 

You know there was a time when Jim Kaat/Ron Guidry games would last little over two hours.......

 

Why go back that far?

 

Get Mark Buehrle up there against RA Dickey and that game is maybe 90 minutes long…

[notin]

The analogy isn't that great. The reason movie makers like shorter movies is that each individual theatre can put on more of them in a day, no? You get a greater number of admissions.

 

Also no one makes musicals any more. Nothing drags out a movie more than having a dozen different times when characters belt out a song in a situation where they could just answer a question with a single sentence…

[Bellhorn04]

On the minimum salary thing:

 

Owners proposed

 

Year 1 615 K

Year 2 650 K

Year 3 725 K

 

Players asking 775 K for all 3 years.

[Bellhorn04]

Just like ballgames , movies used to be shorter . Double features were common. Bygone days.

 

I don't know Denny, they started making sweeping epics like Ben Hur and Lawrence of Arabia around 1960.

 

I think the real killer now is you have to sit through a half hour of commercials and trailers before a movie.

[notin]

I don't know Denny, they started making sweeping epics like Ben Hur and Lawrence of Arabia around 1960.

 

I think the real killer now is you have to sit through a half hour of commercials and trailers before a movie.

 

We live in a time of binge-watching an entire season of a series in one weekend. I don’t believe fans are also craving shorter movies. If it works for them and they find it entertaining, people will watch no matter how long it takes…

[moonslav59]

The NFL now sends 14 out of 32 teams, slightly less than half.

 

The NHL sends 16 out of 32 teams, exactly half. And they let it go on for what, 3 years per post-season?

 

The NBA sends 16 out of 30 teams, or more than half, thus guaranteeing some s***** sub-.500 team has earned a playoff birth. Also they refuse the schedule any two games simultaneously, and these playoffs also go on far, far too long.

 

MLB sends 10 out of 30. That's plenty...

 

I agree. I'm just saying expanded playoffs are not really a "gimmick."

 

It's always about the money.

 

To me, baseball plays 162 games for a reason, and letting half the teams make the playoffs cheapens that long struggle of 162 games.

[moonslav59]

On the minimum salary thing:

 

Owners proposed

 

Year 1 615 K

Year 2 650 K

Year 3 725 K

 

Players asking 775 K for all 3 years.

 

They should be asking for more than $775K flat.

[oldtimer]

They should be asking for more than $775K flat.

 

Why should that be the case?

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox sign Tyler Danish!!!! Whoooooooopeeeeee!!!!

[Bellhorn04]

They should be asking for more than $775K flat.

 

Great, just ask for stuff you're not going to get.

 

You're not going to get a 50% increase in anything from one agreement to the next.

 

The players probably should have fought harder for these raises in previous negotiations. But they didn't.

[mvp 78]

This may be off-tangent, and I don't even know the attention-span for average entertainment, but it seems like the movie industry, long ago, calculated the optimum time at around 2 hours... anything longer was considered long. The reason I bring this up: I was just surfing through Netflix last night and saw an actual category called 90-Minute Movies -- it must've been invented for busy modern viewers who can't possibly devote any more time that that to watch.

 

I prefer movies to be closer to the 90 minute mark. It's not that I don't enjoy 2+ hour movies, but I find movies to be more enjoyable when much of the fluff is taken out.

 

I was watching the original TMNT movie last night with my kids and it was about 90 minutes. Nice and breezy.

[mvp 78]

Just like ballgames , movies used to be shorter . Double features were common. Bygone days.

 

Jaws, Star Wars, Wizard of Oz, Alien, Back to the Future, ET, Jurassic Park, Rocky, Citizen Kane were all 2 hours. Seems like most famous movies are 2 hours or longer.

[mvp 78]

We live in a time of binge-watching an entire season of a series in one weekend. I don’t believe fans are also craving shorter movies. If it works for them and they find it entertaining, people will watch no matter how long it takes…

 

The problem with MLB is that it's 3 hours and 2.5 hours are spent waiting for something to happen.

[Old Red]

They should be asking for more than $775K flat.

 

Take it away from the top players then.

[mvp 78]

Take it away from the top players then.

 

Why? Owners are making more than ever. The players should too.

[Old Red]

Why? Owners are making more than ever. The players should too.

 

I have no sympathy for either side. Players turning down $300M contracts, and owners offering them. Both sides are greedy.

[Bellhorn04]

Why? Owners are making more than ever. The players should too.

 

I don't disagree, but we're a little late in the game to be asking for more than what they're already not agreeing to.

 

If the players felt so strongly about the minimum salary being too low, maybe they should have tried harder the last couple of CBA's, when it increased by jacksquat. At least the owners are agreeing to somewhat of a bump now.

[mvp 78]

Is entertained by watching someone work for 300 hours a summer.

 

"They make too much money. Was better when they had to work second jobs in the offseason."

 

Tom Cruise gets $75M for a 3 hour movie and nobody blinks an eye. Prorate that to 300 hours and you get $7.5B. That's close to double what the entire MLBPA made last season.

 

The amount of entertainment we get vs the $$$ we spend from watching the Red Sox is an absolute steal.

[mvp 78]

I don't disagree, but we're a little late in the game to be asking for more than what they're already not agreeing to.

 

If the players felt so strongly about the minimum salary being too low, maybe they should have tried harder the last couple of CBA's, when it increased by jacksquat. At least the owners are agreeing to somewhat of a bump now.

 

I'm not saying what the players should or should not be paid. That's up to them to bargain for it. I just think the pushback against the players making money is dumb.

[Old Red]

Is entertained by watching someone work for 300 hours a summer.

 

"They make too much money. Was better when they had to work second jobs in the offseason."

 

Tom Cruise gets $75M for a 3 hour movie and nobody blinks an eye. Prorate that to 300 hours and you get $7.5B. That's close to double what the entire MLBPA made last season.

 

The amount of entertainment we get vs the $$$ we spend from watching the Red Sox is an absolute steal.

 

Do you pay as much to get into a Tom Cruise movie as you do to get into a Red Sox game??

[Bellhorn04]

Is entertained by watching someone work for 300 hours a summer.

 

"They make too much money. Was better when they had to work second jobs in the offseason."

 

Tom Cruise gets $75M for a 3 hour movie and nobody blinks an eye. Prorate that to 300 hours and you get $7.5B. That's close to double what the entire MLBPA made last season.

 

The amount of entertainment we get vs the $$$ we spend from watching the Red Sox is an absolute steal.

 

But the reason nobody blinks an eye about Cruise's $75 mill is that they only care about the $$$ it actually costs them to see the movie.

[notin]

The problem with MLB is that it's 3 hours and 2.5 hours are spent waiting for something to happen.

 

So… like The English Patient..

[mvp 78]

Do you pay as much to get into a Tom Cruise movie as you do to get into a Red Sox game??

 

Do you have season tickets and go to every away game?

[mvp 78]

But the reason nobody blinks an eye about Cruise's $75 mill is that they only care about the $$$ it actually costs them to see the movie.

 

And the vast majority of us don't have season tickets and spend most of our time watching the Sox via tv. Much better value than going to the movies.

[Old Red]

Do you have season tickets and go to every away game?

 

I haven’t been to over priced Fenway in 20+ years.

[mvp 78]

AT&T and Direct TV including NESN is about $90/month, or $1,080 a year.

 

If you watch every Sox game, that about $7 per game (noting that some games are nationally televised). Much cheaper than going to the movies or paying to stream a movie.

 

If you are out of market, it's about $100 for the year. That's less than a monthly Netflix subscription.

[Bellhorn04]

The bottom line is, the players didn't pay much attention in the last couple of CBA's to increases in minimum salary.

 

They can't expect to make up for that all at once.

 

If that's what they're thinking, it's no wonder these negotiations are going nowhere.