The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[moonslav59]

No doubt for many a benefit like that was very welcome I will say though that I know many and I mean many people who received some of the "free money" being floated around who actually tried to send it back to the government because they simply didn't need it. More to the point I was implying that with gas and oil prices being what they currently are there are many families struggling in the northeast. Watching the huge amounts of money being dumped into the entertainment world doesn't impress everyone.

Oh well though life goes on and I'm ready to get back to baseball. Our lineup with the addition of Story has some great potential.

 

Well said.

 

I'm feeling good about the Sox in 2022. I haven't felt this way, at the start of a season, since March 2019.

[mvp 78]

Yep, Bloom finally splurges on Story at $23+M per, but won't sign another legit righty bat to replace Renfroe's -- not for a guy like Pham who costs $7.5M (what the Reds just gave him). That's a similar amount to what some data valued Renfroe would also fetch (more than double than last year), and why some speculate Bloom traded him in the first place.

 

I wouldn't sign Pham for 7.5 either.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn't sign Pham for 7.5 either.

 

Agreed.

 

Is there any RHB OF'er who signed, this winter, that was near worth his salary?

[moonslav59]

Could taking right-handed batting Piscotty and his salary from the A's, to lessen the return package need to get Manaea or Montas (plus maybe Trivino or Langeliers) be worth a looksee?

[mvp 78]

Agreed.

 

Is there any RHB OF'er who signed, this winter, that was near worth his salary?

 

Is Kris Bryant worth 26 AAV? Seems a little high.

 

Chris Taylor at 15 AAV? Seems about right. I would have taken that contract.

 

Avisail Garcia at 13.25? No.

 

Mark Canha at 13.25? No.

 

McCutchen at 8.5? Too high. Want to say it's fine, but his defense is horrible even in LF now.

 

Pham at 7.5? No. His 2021 2nd half stats scare me.

 

Frazier at 1.5? Fine. I guess hope for a bounce back?

 

Pillar at MiLB deal? Yes.

[mvp 78]

Could taking right-handed batting Piscotty and his salary from the A's, to lessen the return package need to get Manaea or Montas (plus maybe Trivino or Langeliers) be worth a looksee?

 

3 straight years below 100 WRC+. 101 vs LHP only. Not worth taking that contract on.

[moonslav59]

3 straight years below 100 WRC+. 101 vs LHP only. Not worth taking that contract on.

 

It wouldn't be to expect great things from him, but as a 4th OF'er playing only vs LHPs, he might still be an upgrade over JBJ, Duran and even Verdugo.

 

My idea was that maybe we trade Duran and others for Montas or Manaea or a catching prospect plus Piscotty, so we don't have to give much else to the A's. They would love to dump his salary.

 

BTV accepted these deals:

 

Downs (or just Gonzalez or Jordan) for Manaea, Piscotty & Trivino

 

Duran, Seabold, Bonaci & Wong for Langeliers, Picotty & Trivino

 

Duran, Dalbec, Bello, Downs & Gonzalez for Montas, Langeliers, Piscotty and Trivino

Edited March 24, 2022 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

It wouldn't be to expect great things from him, but as a 4th OF'er playing only vs LHPs, he might still be an upgrade over JBJ, Duran and even Verdugo.

 

My idea was that maybe we trade Duran and others for Montas or Manaea or a catching prospect plus Piscotty, so we don't have to give much else to the A's. They would love to dump his salary.

 

BTV accepted these deals:

 

Downs (or just Gonzalez or Jordan) for Manaea, Piscotty & Trivino

 

Duran, Seabold, Bonaci & Wong for Langeliers, Picotty & Trivino

 

Duran, Dalbec, Bello, Downs & Gonzalez for Montas, langeliers, Piscotty and Trivino

 

I guess it's fine for just this year. I thought Piscotty had 2 more years to go on his deal.

[moonslav59]

I guess it's fine for just this year. I thought Piscotty had 2 more years to go on his deal.

 

Yes, it's just one, and as a RHB, he'd likely get more action than Duran would.

 

I doubt the A's take Downs for Manaea & Piscotty, let alone adding Trivino, but they might take Jordan for the 3.

[Nick]

Cot's has us at $235.8M, $5.8M over the cap and $14.2M under the second luxury tax line. That will provide us with some money at trade deadline to bolster the club.

 

More and more I think about it, Story pickup was brilliant by Bloom. Not sure if an all-star can be had for $23.3M, approaching his prime, could play a position better than a guy that maybe leaving, someone who can play multiple positions according to those that know him (would you rather have Schwarber or Story playing left field?) and that can elevate the team profile immediately.

 

We need an outfielder to step up from the farm or by position change. I'm hoping it's Dalbec.

Edited March 24, 2022 by Nick

[harmony]

Yes, it's just one, and as a RHB, he'd likely get more action than Duran would.

 

I doubt the A's take Downs for Manaea & Piscotty, let alone adding Trivino, but they might take Jordan for the 3.

FWIW Oakland lefthander Sean Manaea tossed 4.2 strong innings Thursday against the Texas Rangers:

 

MLB Gameday: Rangers 5, Athletics 3 Final Score (03/24/2022) | MLB.com

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Edited March 24, 2022 by harmony

[Old Red]

Cot's has us at $235.8M, $5.8M over the cap and $14.2M under the second luxury tax line. That will provide us with some money at trade deadline to bolster the club.

 

More and more I think about it, Story pickup was brilliant by Bloom. Not sure if an all-star can be had for $23.3M, approaching his prime, could play a position better than a guy that maybe leaving, someone who can play multiple positions according to those that know him (would you rather have Schwarber or Story playing left field?) and that can elevate the team profile immediately.

 

We need an outfielder to step up from the farm or by position change. I'm hoping it's Dalbec.

 

I don’t think you can call the Story pickup as being brilliant until you see at the very least how he handles playing in Boston, and to see what his signing does to the makeup of the team going forward. Right now I think he makes the team better, but will it make the team better in the long run?

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t think you can call the Story pickup as being brilliant until you see at the very least how he handles playing in Boston, and to see what his signing does to the makeup of the team going forward. Right now I think he makes the team better, but will it make the team better in the long run?

 

We've been clamoring for the team to spend some money. They did, and it looks like they did so in a pretty smart way. What more can we ask?

 

Of course there's uncertainty, there always is.

[Old Red]

We've been clamoring for the team to spend some money. They did, and it looks like they did so in a pretty smart way. What more can we ask?

 

Of course there's uncertainty, there always is.

 

I’m all for the signing, but not at the expense at not resigning Bogey, or Raffy.

Edited March 24, 2022 by Old Red

[Larry Cook]

FWIW Oakland lefthander Sean Manaea tossed 4.2 strong innings Thursday against the Texas Rangers:

 

MLB Gameday: Rangers 5, Athletics 3 Final Score (03/24/2022) | MLB.com

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If Oakland does indeed have manaea on the trade block, there is going to be massive competition from many other teams for him.

[moonslav59]

If Oakland does indeed have manaea on the trade block, there is going to be massive competition from many other teams for him.

 

They'd sure like to think that.

[mvp 78]

I don’t think you can call the Story pickup as being brilliant until you see at the very least how he handles playing in Boston, and to see what his signing does to the makeup of the team going forward. Right now I think he makes the team better, but will it make the team better in the long run?

 

I think the "handles playing in Boston" stuff is just gibberish. I don't buy into it at all.

[Old Red]

I think the "handles playing in Boston" stuff is just gibberish. I don't buy into it at all.

 

Well you can call it gibberish, but in some instances I think it does matter.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think the "handles playing in Boston" stuff is just gibberish. I don't buy into it at all.

 

It's more about occasional players not buying it, guys who don't want to "deal" with playing in Boston and answering to mass media and rabid fandom.

 

I can't think of too many prospects who crumbled from the spotlight, probably because they don't last too long if they fail, but it's more veterans who accept big money but then try to shun the attention that comes with it. That list is easy to make: Price, Crawford, Pablo, AGon, Renteria, etc. etc.

 

I wouldn't include Rusney, who wanted to play in Boston but wasn't allowed to because they paid him too much.

[Old Red]

It's more about occasional players not buying it, guys who don't want to "deal" with playing in Boston and answering to mass media and rabid fandom.

 

I can't think of too many prospects who crumbled from the spotlight, probably because they don't last too long if they fail, but it's more veterans who accept big money but then try to shun the attention that comes with it. That list is easy to make: Price, Crawford, Pablo, AGon, Renteria, etc. etc.

 

I wouldn't include Rusney, who wanted to play in Boston but wasn't allowed to because they paid him too much.

 

Mookie was loved in Boston, and even he wanted out.

[mvp 78]

It's more about occasional players not buying it, guys who don't want to "deal" with playing in Boston and answering to mass media and rabid fandom.

 

I can't think of too many prospects who crumbled from the spotlight, probably because they don't last too long if they fail, but it's more veterans who accept big money but then try to shun the attention that comes with it. That list is easy to make: Price, Crawford, Pablo, AGon, Renteria, etc. etc.

 

I wouldn't include Rusney, who wanted to play in Boston but wasn't allowed to because they paid him too much.

 

Price's problem wasn't the Boston market, it was health. Pablo was just fat. AGon was great while he was here. Renteria had one bad year and was overrated before signing his deal.

 

Crawford is the only maybe on that list.

[moonslav59]

Price's problem wasn't the Boston market, it was health. Pablo was just fat. AGon was great while he was here. Renteria had one bad year and was overrated before signing his deal.

 

Crawford is the only maybe on that list.

 

Price did have issues with the "market," too.

 

Pablo sucked, here.

 

AGon did well, but was thought to be part of beergate.

 

Renteria was hurt that one year that cost us about $40M.

 

CC did not come close to what he did in his recent years with the Rays.

 

HRam did okay, but that injury messed him up, and he petered out at the very end.

 

Our last biggest deals have largely been failures to varying degrees.

 

It's easy to understand the uneasiness with wanting to go large and long on anyone.

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie was loved in Boston, and even he wanted out.

 

Never once did he actually say so. Which doesn't mean that he didn't. But Mookie is too smart and too classy to say anything like that.

[mvp 78]

Price did have issues with the "market," too.

 

Pablo sucked, here.

 

AGon did well, but was thought to be part of beergate.

 

Renteria was hurt that one year that cost us about $40M.

 

CC did not come close to what he did in his recent years with the Rays.

 

HRam did okay, but that injury messed him up, and he petered out at the very end.

 

Our last biggest deals have largely been failures to varying degrees.

 

It's easy to understand the uneasiness with wanting to go large and long on anyone.

 

Price had an issue with Eck, not the market.

 

Beergate had nothing to do with the market.

 

Crawford's 2011 was wrecked by a hamstring injury, which ruined his biggest strength. He played well during May, but was out soon after in June with the hamstring stuff.

[mvp 78]

Never once did he actually say so. Which doesn't mean that he didn't. But Mookie is too smart and too classy to say anything like that.

 

I bet his mom said it all the time. Shame! She should have been nicer to Boston and told him to take the 300M Sox deal!

[notin]

It's more about occasional players not buying it, guys who don't want to "deal" with playing in Boston and answering to mass media and rabid fandom.

 

I can't think of too many prospects who crumbled from the spotlight, probably because they don't last too long if they fail, but it's more veterans who accept big money but then try to shun the attention that comes with it. That list is easy to make: Price, Crawford, Pablo, AGon, Renteria, etc. etc.

 

I wouldn't include Rusney, who wanted to play in Boston but wasn't allowed to because they paid him too much.

 

The list of players who “couldn’t handle Boston” overlaps in a big way with the list of free agents who went and got injured.

 

I mean, Price? His first season in Boston, he threw 230 innings and won 17 games. I’m pretty sure his downward trend after that was more due to aging, worn out ligaments and tendons than it was to anything Gerry Callahan had to say…

[Bellhorn04]

Price had an issue with Eck, not the market.

 

Beergate had nothing to do with the market.

 

Crawford's 2011 was wrecked by a hamstring injury, which ruined his biggest strength. He played well during May, but was out soon after in June with the hamstring stuff.

 

It's pretty hard to say how much psychological stuff factors into guys not living up to their contracts. With all that money comes big expectations, and it must be hard on the head when you're not performing like you did, and you know that a lot of people are disappointed in you or even hating on you.

[mvp 78]

The list of players who “couldn’t handle Boston” overlaps in a big way with the list of free agents who went and got injured.

 

I mean, Price? His first season in Boston, he threw 230 innings and won 17 games. I’m pretty sure his downward trend after that was more due to aging, worn out ligaments and tendons than it was to anything Gerry Callahan had to say…

 

Yes.

[moonslav59]

Price had an issue with Eck, not the market.

 

Beergate had nothing to do with the market.

 

Crawford's 2011 was wrecked by a hamstring injury, which ruined his biggest strength. He played well during May, but was out soon after in June with the hamstring stuff.

 

"The market" (media & fans) soured on these guys, and not just because of injuries.

[mvp 78]

"The market" (media & fans) soured on these guys, and not just because of injuries.

 

Ok, but the market souring on these guys wasn't the reason they didn't perform (AGon was great when he was here).