The 2021-2022 Offseason Thread

[harmony]

The Red Sox reportedly have signed a minor league contract with 27-year-old first baseman Roberto Ramos, who in 2020 posted a .278/.362/.592/.954 line with 38 homeruns in 494 plate appearances in the Korean Baseball Organization:

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/02/boston-red-sox-sign-roberto-ramos-38-homers-in-kbo-during-2020-to-minor-league-contract.html

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=ramos-004rob&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

[harmony]

The Athletic columnist Jim Bowden writes that the first Red Sox move after the lockout should be to sign infielder Carlos Correa to a 10-year, $300 million contract:

 

https://theathletic.com/3112423/2022/02/08/bowden-the-first-move-each-al-team-should-make-when-the-lockout-ends/

 

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This is not the type of contract that Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom likes to dish out, but it’s worth it for Correa, an impact player who loves the October stage. Correa has a strong relationship with manager Alex Cora, which helps Boston’s recruiting effort.

Edited February 8, 2022 by harmony

[moonslav59]

The Athletic columnist Jim Bowden writes that the first Red Sox move after the lockout should be to sign infielder Carlos Correa to a 10-year, $300 million contract:

 

https://theathletic.com/3112423/2022/02/08/bowden-the-first-move-each-al-team-should-make-when-the-lockout-ends/

 

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Unless Cora is pitching in some money to sign him, I doubt it matters he's our manager.

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox reportedly have signed a minor league contract with 27-year-old first baseman Roberto Ramos, who in 2020 posted a .278/.362/.592/.954 line with 38 homeruns in 494 plate appearances in the Korean Baseball Organization:

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/02/boston-red-sox-sign-roberto-ramos-38-homers-in-kbo-during-2020-to-minor-league-contract.html

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=ramos-004rob&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-

 

Good. WOO will need someone after Casas is called up. Maybe this guy just takes over the Meneses role in the farm?

[mvp 78]

The Athletic columnist Jim Bowden writes that the first Red Sox move after the lockout should be to sign infielder Carlos Correa to a 10-year, $300 million contract:

 

https://theathletic.com/3112423/2022/02/08/bowden-the-first-move-each-al-team-should-make-when-the-lockout-ends/

 

Subscription required.

 

For that amount of money, you want a guy with a track record of being in the starting lineup everyday. He's not that guy.

[moonslav59]

For that amount of money, you want a guy with a track record of being in the starting lineup everyday. He's not that guy.

 

Yes, and not only that, he's had rather pedestrian numbers in all even years:

 

.811 in '16

.728 in '18

.709 in '20

 

How is this worth $30M x 10+ years?

 

He's at .811 in his last 1650 PAs (ages 23-26.)

[mvp 78]

Yes, and not only that, he's had rather pedestrian numbers in all even years:

 

.811 in '16

.728 in '18

.709 in '20

 

How is this worth $30M x 10+ years?

 

He's at .811 in his last 1650 PAs (ages 23-26.)

 

fWAR Player A previous 5 years: 4.8, 8.3, 5.3, 10.4, 6.6

fWAR Player B previous 5 years: 5.1, 1.6, 3.1, 0.8, 5.8

 

Only one of those guys earned a 300M contract and it certainly isn't player B.

 

I don't get the hype on Correa. If I'm a GM, I'm not signing him for that much. The Sox already have Xander and I don't see Correa as an upgrade. Per fWAR, he's not.

[moonslav59]

fWAR Player A previous 5 years: 4.8, 8.3, 5.3, 10.4, 6.6

fWAR Player B previous 5 years: 5.1, 1.6, 3.1, 0.8, 5.8

 

Only one of those guys earned a 300M contract and it certainly isn't player B.

 

I don't get the hype on Correa. If I'm a GM, I'm not signing him for that much. The Sox already have Xander and I don't see Correa as an upgrade. Per fWAR, he's not.

 

I totally agree.

 

He's a better fielder than Bogey, but Bogey's bat is steady and better.

 

His age is a big plus. His playoff heroics are not a repeatable skillset.

 

I would not sign him for $24M x 10.

[kenmeister]

Hi all,

 

I know I haven't been around in a long time. The lockout has really turned me off from baseball. I'm hoping once it ends I can regain my excitement for the sport.

[mvp 78]

Hi all,

 

I know I haven't been around in a long time. The lockout has really turned me off from baseball. I'm hoping once it ends I can regain my excitement for the sport.

 

It'd be less infuriating to me if I was just able to forget about baseball until it comes back.

 

Enjoy your vacation.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I totally agree.

 

He's a better fielder than Bogey, but Bogey's bat is steady and better.

 

His age is a big plus. His playoff heroics are not a repeatable skillset.

 

I would not sign him for $24M x 10.

 

Carlos is holding his hands over his eyes looking at your post and saying, "This is my thread!"

 

He's younger, and as a better fielder continues to project as the best all-around shortstop (until he moves to third in five years to make way for Mayer). Bogaerts does not project to be a good defensive shortstop going forward, because he's already part of the problem on defense.

 

I'd be surprised if Bloom hauls in Correa, because it goes against everything his regime has stood for. But if it happens, it would basically be a parallel to how Epstein viewed the end of the Nomar days: it means the boss thinks the team won't be as good at short with the incumbent, who he also feels won't be worth the cost to keep around.

[notin]

Good. WOO will need someone after Casas is called up. Maybe this guy just takes over the Meneses role in the farm?

 

 

And I was very worried about that…

[mvp 78]

And I was very worried about that…

 

I figured.

[notin]

Carlos is holding his hands over his eyes looking at your post and saying, "This is my thread!"

 

He's younger, and as a better fielder continues to project as the best all-around shortstop (until he moves to third in five years to make way for Mayer). Bogaerts does not project to be a good defensive shortstop going forward, because he's already part of the problem on defense.

 

I'd be surprised if Bloom hauls in Correa, because it goes against everything his regime has stood for. But if it happens, it would basically be a parallel to how Epstein viewed the end of the Nomar days: it means the boss thinks the team won't be as good at short with the incumbent, who he also feels won't be worth the cost to keep around.

 

Even the Rays opened up for star talent once in a while. They signed Longoria to a 6 year $100mill contract back in 2016. Adjusting for inflation and converting Ray Bucks to USD, that deal would be equivalent to a 6 year $45,000,000,000,000 today…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Even the Rays opened up for star talent once in a while. They signed Longoria to a 6 year $100mill contract back in 2016. Adjusting for inflation and converting Ray Bucks to USD, that deal would be equivalent to a 6 year $45,000,000,000,000 today…

 

They just locked up Franco after a quite promising half-season... or was that back-ended deal just setting up Tampa for dealing the Wanderkind for a haul, once he reaches his prime?

[mvp 78]

They just locked up Franco after a quite promising half-season... or was that back-ended deal just setting up Tampa for dealing the Wanderkind for a haul, once he reaches his prime?

 

To keep him for as long as they can afford him.

[moonslav59]

Carlos is holding his hands over his eyes looking at your post and saying, "This is my thread!"

 

He's younger, and as a better fielder continues to project as the best all-around shortstop (until he moves to third in five years to make way for Mayer). Bogaerts does not project to be a good defensive shortstop going forward, because he's already part of the problem on defense.

 

I'd be surprised if Bloom hauls in Correa, because it goes against everything his regime has stood for. But if it happens, it would basically be a parallel to how Epstein viewed the end of the Nomar days: it means the boss thinks the team won't be as good at short with the incumbent, who he also feels won't be worth the cost to keep around.

 

I'm not saying I want Bogey as our SS going forward.

 

I'm just saying I would not choose Carlos as "the one" splurge guy we sign. His age is a huge plus, but his offense is up and down, and his health is often an issue.

 

If he can't stay healthy at 22-26, what will he be like at 30-36?

[mvp 78]

I'm not saying I want Bogey as our SS going forward.

 

I'm just saying I would not choose Carlos as "the one" splurge guy we sign. His age is a huge plus, but his offense is up and down, and his health is often an issue.

 

If he can't stay healthy at 22-26, what will he be like at 30-36?

 

5/150, maybe?

 

10 years for that guy? Nah.

[moonslav59]

5/150, maybe?

 

10 years for that guy? Nah.

 

He is just 27, so if any player should be considered for a 0+ year deal, he might be "the one," but for reasons we have already given, he should not be "that guy" the Sox choose to go all in on.

 

This would be a nice IF for 2022:

 

1B Devers

2B Kike

SS Correa

3B Bogey

[mvp 78]

Here's a list of the Sox Minor League Free Agents:

 

RHP Jose Adames

C Roldani Baldwin (re-signed 2/2)

RHP Seth Blair

RHP Colten Brewer (gone)

RHP Matt Carasiti

LHP Enmanuel De Jesus (gone)

2B Chad De La Guerra

RHP Jose De Leon (gone)

RHP Jose Disla

RHP Jose Espada

RHP Raynel Espinal

OF Michael Gettys (re-signed)

LHP Stephen Gonsalves (I believe signed elsewhere)

RHP Daniel Gossett

RHP Zac Grotz

C Christopher Herrmann

SS Jose Iglesias

LHP Matt Kent (gone)

SS Jack Lopez (gone 2/9)

OF Tate Matheny

1B Joey Meneses (gone)

OF Johan Mieses (re-signed)

3B Yairo Munoz

1B Josh Ockimey

LHP Tyler Olson

LHP Yorvin Pantoja

RHP Brad Peacock

C Jhonny Pereda (gone)

RHP Denyi Reyes (gone)

RHP Yacksel Rios (gone)

SS Jeremy Rivera

 

@mlbtraderumors

Tigers, Jack Lopez Agree To Minor League Deal

[notin]

5/150, maybe?

 

10 years for that guy? Nah.

 

I think he’ll be looking for a contract in between Corey Seager and Francisco Lindor.

 

And so will Bogaerts next year…

[notin]

@mlbtraderumors

Tigers, Jack Lopez Agree To Minor League Deal

 

So much for Plan B if Bloom can’t get Correa…

[notin]

He is just 27, so if any player should be considered for a 0+ year deal, he might be "the one," but for reasons we have already given, he should not be "that guy" the Sox choose to go all in on.

 

This would be a nice IF for 2022:

 

1B Devers

2B Kike

SS Correa

3B Bogey

 

 

Why not:

 

1b: Dalbec/Casas(?)

2b: Bogaerts

3b: Devers

SS: Correa

LF: Verdugo

CF: E Hernandez

RF: Bradley/Pham(?)

 

?

[mvp 78]

Why not:

 

1b: Dalbec/Casas(?)

2b: Bogaerts

3b: Devers

SS: Correa

LF: Verdugo

CF: E Hernandez

RF: Bradley/Pham(?)

 

?

 

Looks fine on paper. Tying all that future $$$ up in Correa seems like a bad investment. It's a move you make if you're 86 years into a curse that you need to get rid of, but not when you've been averaging a ring every 5 years.

[notin]

Looks fine on paper. Tying all that future $$$ up in Correa seems like a bad investment. It's a move you make if you're 86 years into a curse that you need to get rid of, but not when you've been averaging a ring every 5 years.

 

At some point, the Sox are going to have to spend, and spend heavily on a player. Correa may or may not be the guy, but it’s not like Bogaerts is going to “settle” for a $20mill AAV again.

[Bellhorn04]

At some point, the Sox are going to have to spend, and spend heavily on a player. Correa may or may not be the guy, but it’s not like Bogaerts is going to “settle” for a $20mill AAV again.

 

The fact is that they won't keep both Bogey and Devers.

[moonslav59]

The fact is that they won't keep both Bogey and Devers.

 

DEVERS Forevers!

[notin]

The fact is that they won't keep both Bogey and Devers.

 

But will they limit themselves to one player making over $20mill?

[Bellhorn04]

But will they limit themselves to one player making over $20mill?

 

Sale makes over $20. Devers would make it two.

 

A team as rich as the Red Sox can afford 2 or 3 guys at $20 mill or more, I'd say. And that's it.

[moonslav59]

Sale makes over $20. Devers would make it two.

 

A team as rich as the Red Sox can afford 2 or 3 guys at $20 mill or more, I'd say. And that's it.

 

Sounds about right. Even if the players made exactly $20M each, I doubt we'd have 4 or more making that much. Three seems like the limit. Maybe just two, if $25M+.

 

Lux Tax $$$:

 

We had 3, last year:

25.6 Sale

22.0 JD

20.0 Bogey

17.0 Eovaldi

 

2019

31.0 Price

22.0 JD

20.6 Porcello

20.0 Betts

17.0 Eovaldi

15.0 Sale

13.8 Pedey

12.0 Bogey

 

2017

30 price

23 HRam

20 Porcello

18 Pablo

15 Pedey

13 Kimbrel

12 Sale

 

2016

Papi at 16 and no Kimbrel

 

2015

Nobody over 20

19.8 HRam

17.6 pablo

16.0 Napoli & Papi

13.0 Vic

12.6 Pedey

12.5 Porcello

12.3 Buch

11.2 Castillo

9.5 Masterson

9.0 Koji