trade deadline

[Hugh2]

Uh oh

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It was a seller's market big time. The Dodgers gave up two stud prospects. The Blue Jays traded away the 5th pick of last year's draft. I can't believe what the Mets did, they traded away former first round pick Crow-Armstrong, an excellent CF prospect, for a rental. Crazy. The Yankees traded away Alcantara for a rental, and 4 quality prospects for Gallo. As far as Alcantara goes, he will likely be a top 100 prospect soon enough.

 

From this perspective, trading A.Ramirez for Kyle S., a big time bat, was an excellent move for the Red Sox. I just wish they acquired a starting 1b as well.

[Hugh2]

Yeah, the Sox obviously left some holes I filled, but saying that they didn’t make a big acquisition and that sends a bad message to the team is just absurd.

 

I hope Schwarber can play first, woke up today thinking that has to be the move, or at the very least they are going to try him there at some point down the stretch of Franchy cant pick it up vs RHP.

[redsoxrules]

Dodgers payroll in now at 290 MIL

 

Insane

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It was a seller's market big time. The Dodgers gave up two stud prospects. The Blue Jays traded away the 5th pick of last year's draft. I can't believe what the Mets did, they traded away former first round pick Crow-Armstrong, an excellent CF prospect, for a rental. Crazy. The Yankees traded away Alcantara for a rental, and 4 quality prospects for Gallo. As far as Alcantara goes, he will likely be a top 100 prospect soon enough.

 

From this perspective, trading A.Ramirez for Kyle S., a big time bat, was an excellent move for the Red Sox. I just wish they acquired a starting 1b as well.

 

I agree, mainly because counting on someone to play first -- who's never played there before -- with a hamstring problem -- doesn't seem prudent in a pennant race. But these front office guys are brilliant minds. It's not like they just tried playing a second baseman at first base, and watched him rip his hamstring.

 

As for the pitching market, you are right; the Sox didn't have the prospects sellers wanted. Or they're wisely keeping Casas. He just homered in the Olympics and looks very comfortable hanging with big leaguers. I'll bet he'll be playing in Boston before most expect.

[Bellhorn04]

All I can say is, that was one f**king ominous trade deadline day, when you combine it with the Sox losing and our 3 AL East rivals winning last night, and our starting pitcher getting shelled again.

[moonslav59]

Not that I didn’t yearn for more, but I don’t think the players have the same takes as we do.

 

I think trading away players can send a bad message through a club house but largely keeping the team intact if anything shows a vote of confidence.

 

Here’s what they did add.

 

They added a relief pitcher who they feel can get tough lefties out at a time when their division opponents picked up some LH bats. Strategic.

 

They added a hitter who is now 2nd on their team in OPS. It’s kind of hard to argue the front office sends a message to the team that they’re unwilling to trade to improve the team when they add a bat that’s arguably now your 2nd best offensive player. Just dumb.

 

They added Houck recently, and they have Sale coming back. If Sale is Sale, you made a better move than any of your opponents could have made.

 

 

Look, the rebuttals to my post are already spinning through my head “what about 1st” “what if sale isn’t sale” etc etc. I don’t disagree with ANY of that. But implying that the players on the team are being sent bad messages is just a stupid take.

 

Nice, and I'll add, "if Sale isn't Sale." adding Scherzer wasn't going to win us a ring anyway.

[moonslav59]

All I can say is, that was one f**king ominous trade deadline day, when you combine it with the Sox losing and our 3 AL East rivals winning last night, and our starting pitcher getting shelled again.

 

Good thing no posters, here, react to just one day sample sizes.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

To obtain either Scherzer or Berrios, it likely would have cost the Red Sox Casas and a guy like Bello (perhaps). I know Bello's AA ERA is a little high, but he is adjusting to a much more competitive league and he has impressive stuff, and his K totals are very encouraging.

 

I wonder if the Twins would have accepted Casas and Bello over the offer they received from the Blue Jays? Maybe. I'm hearing that some scouts have not been overly impressed with A.Martin thus far.

 

Regardless, if I'm the Red Sox, I'm not trading Casas and Bello for Berrios. No way.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Bellhorn04]

Good thing no posters, here, react to just one day sample sizes.

 

Our rotation's issues are no one day sample though.

[moonslav59]

Our rotation's issues are no one day sample though.

 

Certainly not. It goes back 9-10 starts with 2-3 of our starters.

[moonslav59]

To obtain either Scherzer or Berrios, it likely would have cost the Red Sox Casas and a guy like Bello (perhaps). I know Bello's AA ERA is a little high, but he is adjusting to a much more competitive league and he has impressive stuff, and his K totals are very encouraging.

 

I wonder if the Twins would have accepted Casas and Bello over the offer they received from the Blue Jays? Maybe. I'm hearing that some scouts have not been overly impressed with A.Martin thus far.

 

Regardless, if I'm the Red Sox, I'm not trading Casas and Bello for Berrios. No way.

 

1.3 years.

 

No way is right.

 

0.3 years for Scherzer.

 

No way.

 

I don't get what the beef is all about.

 

No Jon Gray?

[jacksonianmarch]

I told you guys before and I’ll say it again. Bloom will not go for broke, likely ever. He’s a Friedman acolyte. The Dodgers always have a strong farm and deal off pieces that are redundant to improve their club. While they did move their 1 and 4 ranked prospect, both of those guys were buried with young players ahead of them on the depth chart. The Sox farm simply isn’t in a position to do that yet. Bloom will ensure that they are and my guess is within 2-3 years, you’ll be able to be big players at the deadline and have a strong far after the deals

[Bellhorn04]

I told you guys before and I’ll say it again. Bloom will not go for broke, likely ever. He’s a Friedman acolyte.

 

Friedman has gone for broke this year like no one ever has...

[oldtimer]

I agree, mainly because counting on someone to play first -- who's never played there before -- with a hamstring problem -- doesn't seem prudent in a pennant race. But these front office guys are brilliant minds. It's not like they just tried playing a second baseman at first base, and watched him rip his hamstring.

 

As for the pitching market, you are right; the Sox didn't have the prospects sellers wanted. Or they're wisely keeping Casas. He just homered in the Olympics and looks very comfortable hanging with big leaguers. I'll bet he'll be playing in Boston before most expect.

 

Maybe Schwaber will be kept on in case JDM bolts in 2022. He is mainly a DH player with some possibilities in LF at Fenway and an unknown at 1st base.

[oldtimer]

Certainly not. It goes back 9-10 starts with 2-3 of our starters.

 

We needed a front line starter but didn't have the chips needed to get one who could be a big improvement. Big handicap to us for the rest of 2021. We have to hope that Sale will be in good form, Eovaldi holds his, Houck continues his upward trajectory and Pivetta gets back to his best form. There are a lot of ifs there. In the mean time, all of our competitors improved so August will be interesting and perhaps disappointing.

[jacksonianmarch]

Friedman has gone for broke this year like no one ever has...

 

Disagree. He sold off two blocked assets and still has Cartaya and Miller at the positions of Ruiz and Gray. The only thing he’s gone for broke on is salary and that’s not a team building, tangible concern

[moonslav59]

We needed a front line starter but didn't have the chips needed to get one who could be a big improvement. Big handicap to us for the rest of 2021. We have to hope that Sale will be in good form, Eovaldi holds his, Houck continues his upward trajectory and Pivetta gets back to his best form. There are a lot of ifs there. In the mean time, all of our competitors improved so August will be interesting and perhaps disappointing.

 

I think we have enough chips, but we'd have had to give nearly all of them to match what some teams did.

[Bellhorn04]

Disagree. He sold off two blocked assets and still has Cartaya and Miller at the positions of Ruiz and Gray. The only thing he’s gone for broke on is salary and that’s not a team building, tangible concern

 

So if the payroll tops $300 mill you still don't count that as going for broke?

[Hugh2]

I told you guys before and I’ll say it again. Bloom will not go for broke, likely ever. He’s a Friedman acolyte. The Dodgers always have a strong farm and deal off pieces that are redundant to improve their club. While they did move their 1 and 4 ranked prospect, both of those guys were buried with young players ahead of them on the depth chart. The Sox farm simply isn’t in a position to do that yet. Bloom will ensure that they are and my guess is within 2-3 years, you’ll be able to be big players at the deadline and have a strong far after the deals

 

More like next year, Sox farm is taking a big step forward this year.

[moonslav59]

So if the payroll tops $300 mill you still don't count that as going for broke?

 

Three year window of going for broke, the I think they may step back.

[iortiz]

I told you guys before and I’ll say it again. Bloom will not go for broke, likely ever. He’s a Friedman acolyte. The Dodgers always have a strong farm and deal off pieces that are redundant to improve their club. While they did move their 1 and 4 ranked prospect, both of those guys were buried with young players ahead of them on the depth chart. The Sox farm simply isn’t in a position to do that yet. Bloom will ensure that they are and my guess is within 2-3 years, you’ll be able to be big players at the deadline and have a strong far after the deals

I think this is true but we will be competitive in these 2-3 years. For instance we are now.

 

As I said I’m a big Friedman fan, and Bloom at very least will likely follow his philosophy.

[notin]

To obtain either Scherzer or Berrios, it likely would have cost the Red Sox Casas and a guy like Bello (perhaps). I know Bello's AA ERA is a little high, but he is adjusting to a much more competitive league and he has impressive stuff, and his K totals are very encouraging.

 

I wonder if the Twins would have accepted Casas and Bello over the offer they received from the Blue Jays? Maybe. I'm hearing that some scouts have not been overly impressed with A.Martin thus far.

 

Regardless, if I'm the Red Sox, I'm not trading Casas and Bello for Berrios. No way.

 

I don’t think the Twins would have made that deal, either…

[a700hitter]

Whatever the explanation is, Bloom just didn’t get the reinforcements that the team needed.

[notin]

But won the WS every one of those, since these guys listed were adds to the core lineup. Something still missing in Boston , like a starting rotation more than 2 deep.

 

Funny story.

 

The 2021 Red Sox are 63-42 by July 31.

 

The 2018 was off and running, but the 2013 and 2007 Red Sox had very similar records. The 2004 team was only 10 games over .500 on that date at 56-46.

 

But as I (not coincidentally) chose all championship teams to show how little any of them ever added at the deadline. The 2013 Red Sox were a last place team in 2012. The only pitcher they added to the rotation of that great core was 2012 was Ryan Dempster. The most important player added that off season was Koji Uehara, who was a complete afterthought until two other closers went down for the season.

 

I’m not saying it wasn’t disappointing. But some people need to be somewhat realistic…

[notin]

Whatever the explanation is, Bloom just didn’t get the reinforcements that the team needed.

 

Nope.

 

On the bright side, this is still a team that won over 60% of its games over the last 4 months and since players don’t act like fans, they won’t quit…

[a700hitter]

Nope.

 

On the bright side, this is still a team that won over 60% of its games over the last 4 months and since players don’t act like fans, they won’t quit…

So, you think he addressed the needs of the team for the remainder of the season?

[oldtimer]

I don’t think the Twins would have made that deal, either…

 

Depending on where the Sox are sitting in Sept., we might well see Casas up to get some experience at 1st base. If we are still in the hunt by then I doubt he would get more than a cameo appearance.

[oldtimer]

Nope.

 

On the bright side, this is still a team that won over 60% of its games over the last 4 months and since players don’t act like fans, they won’t quit…

 

I take it you don't consider yourself aa quitter unlike all the rest of us?

[a700hitter]

Nope.

 

On the bright side, this is still a team that won over 60% of its games over the last 4 months and since players don’t act like fans, they won’t quit…

The 2018 team was the greatest Red Sox team in 100 years and they added Ian Kinsler, Nate Eovaldi and Steve Pearce (World Series MVP). Those were significant additions to a team that was rolling.