trade deadline

[Kimmi]

The PTBNL is not important.

 

We might even try a deal like Ottavino. We could give up a prospect we do not plan on protecting, this winter- something like Potts, Richards and cash for nothing.

 

The money saved allows us to upgrade our rotation and maybe 1B while keeping the budget in line.

 

I'm not saying it will be easy to find a taker for Richards or that Bloom is even thinking about the idea.

 

We have seen TB be buyers and sellers at the same time, so I do not think the idea is all that crazy.

 

I will trust whatever Bloom does. I'm not opposed to being buyers and sellers, but I am opposed to weakening our pitching depth. If Bloom can trade Richards and get a better starter in return, I'm all in.

[sk7326]

We have been lucky. We can't deny that. Still very good, but lucky as well.

 

Yes - there has been definite good fortune. I mean, if we're handicapping the likely playoff field, I'd put the Sox behind the Rays and Astros - but of course the MLB playoffs are a crapshoot - it has ever been thus.

 

the nice thing is the areas of improvement the team needs are not super costly ones.

[mvp 78]

Great minds...

 

Standing on the shoulders of giants. From 6/29:

 

@KatieMo61

Franchy is out here taking grounders at first today

 

Holy f***ing hell. Could we be looking at a Dalbec/Franchy platoon?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Kimmi]

Yes - there has been definite good fortune. I mean, if we're handicapping the likely playoff field, I'd put the Sox behind the Rays and Astros - but of course the MLB playoffs are a crapshoot - it has ever been thus.

 

the nice thing is the areas of improvement the team needs are not super costly ones.

 

Yes, I agree that we can make some nice upgrades that won't be very costly. Fortunately, I don't think we need that much. For me, I'd go with a BP arm and a LH first baseman, in that order.

 

I am pretty sure Bloom has something in the works, but if the team made no moves before the deadline, I'd be okay with that. We're getting Sale back, which is about as good an upgrade as you can get at the deadline.

[Kimmi]

Standing on the shoulders of giants. From 6/29:

 

You don't have the title of Talksox Godhead for nothing.

[mvp 78]

You don't have the title of Talksox Godhead for nothing.

 

I always appreciate when other great posters come around to my way of thinking. I hope it's not Stockholm Syndrome though.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Let's say the Red Sox trade for C.Santana (Dalbec is either demoted or traded), I'm thinking the bench might look like this:

 

Kevin Plawecki

C.Arroyo

F.Cordero

 

The benefit of keeping Cordero is that it would give the Red Sox an extra LH bat, and he would be used to give rest to C.Santana, JD Martinez, and Renfroe (esp. when the Red Sox face a tough righty).

 

When the playoffs begin, the Red Sox will probably go to a 4 man bench? It just seems that they won't need all that pitching in the postseason and an extra bench guy would make more sense.

 

I don't know where Santana and Gonzalez fit into all of this, and I'm not sure when they are expected to return. I just think that Cordero could be a useful bench piece.

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Should the Red Sox flex their big market muscles?

 

Admittedly, I was against the idea of trading for Max Scherzer but I'm now having second thoughts. Maybe the Red Sox should flex their big market muscles, go over the luxury tax, and strike while they can. By acquiring Scherzer, the Red Sox would greatly increase their chances of winning a championship. To waive his no trade, the Red Sox would need to extend Scherzer and so it will be a costly acquisition in terms of money and prospects, but maybe the Red Sox should go for it.

 

The Red Sox flexed their big market muscles 15-20 years ago when they traded for and extended C.Schilling, and that worked out pretty well for the Red Sox.

 

If the Red Sox don't do it, does Scherzer go to the Dodgers? That could be a problem if the Red Sox face the Dodgers in the World Series.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[oldtimer]

Let's say the Red Sox trade for C.Santana (Dalbec is either demoted or traded), I'm thinking the bench might look like this:

 

Kevin Plawecki

C.Arroyo

F.Cordero

 

The benefit of keeping Cordero is that it would give the Red Sox an extra LH bat, and he would be used to give rest to C.Santana, JD Martinez, and Renfroe (esp. when the Red Sox face a tough righty).

 

When the playoffs begin, the Red Sox will probably go to a 4 man bench? It just seems that they won't need all that pitching in the postseason and an extra bench guy would make more sense.

 

I don't know where Santana and Gonzalez fit into all of this, and I'm not sure when they are expected to return. I just think that Cordero could be a useful bench piece.

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Should the Red Sox flex their big market muscles?

 

Admittedly, I was against the idea of trading for Max Scherzer but I'm now having second thoughts. Maybe the Red Sox should flex their big market muscles, go over the luxury tax, and strike while they can. By acquiring Scherzer, the Red Sox would greatly increase their chances of winning a championship. To waive his no trade, the Red Sox would need to extend Scherzer and so it will be a costly acquisition in terms of money and prospects, but maybe the Red Sox should go for it.

 

The Red Sox flexed their big market muscles 15-20 years ago when they traded for and extended C.Schilling, and that worked out pretty well for the Red Sox.

 

If the Red Sox don't do it, does Scherzer go to the Dodgers? That could be a problem if the Red Sox face the Dodgers in the World Series.

 

I assume Plawecki and Arroyo are surely bench players and that there will be two others if we trade for a FT first baseman. Who will they be? Cordero is a possibility. Who is the other? I wonder if we will go after a top starter or solid reliever. Moon made a case for either or neither.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Interesting: there is a rumor saying the Padres want to move Hosmer and his contract and will include a top 5 prospect for any team willing to take on the money.

 

Should the Red Sox do this? This would be another example of the Red Sox flexing their big market muscles. Hosmer has a 100+ OPS this year and so is a league average offensive player, but of course would be a huge upgrade over Doofy Dalbec. Maybe, just maybe, Hosmer would be a good fit for Fenway Park?

 

It should also be noted that Hosmer's contract cost goes down significantly after the 2022 season according to Spotrac:

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/eric-hosmer-8531/

 

To add intrigue: there is a rumor that the Yankees are interested in Hosmer and might be the big market team willing to bail out the Padres. Cashman is so obsessed with prospects--he hates trading them and in this case he would acquire a prospect while also adding a LH bat to the lineup.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Nick]

Interesting: there is a rumor saying the Padres want to move Hosmer and his contract and will include a top 5 prospect for any team willing to take on the money.

 

Should the Red Sox do this? This would be another example of the Red Sox flexing their big market muscles. Hosmer has a 100+ OPS this year and so is a league average offensive player, but of course would be a huge upgrade over Doofy Dalbec. Maybe, just maybe, Hosmer would be a good fit for Fenway Park?

 

It should also be noted that Hosmer's contract cost goes down significantly after the 2022 season according to Spotrac:

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/eric-hosmer-8531/

 

To add intrigue: there is a rumor that the Yankees are interested in Hosmer and might be the big market team willing to bail out the Padres. Cashman is so obsessed with prospects--he hates trading them and in this case he would acquire a prospect while also adding a LH bat to the lineup.

 

I freaking pass on Hosmer. His cash payout decreases after 2022 but his AAV is $18M. His OPS is barely .710. And we'd be stuck with his contract through 2025.

 

You take Hosmer's $18M plus Richards' $10M......You can sign a freakin' ace for 2022-2025.

[a700hitter]

I freaking pass on Hosmer. His cash payout decreases after 2022 but his AAV is $18M. His OPS is barely .710. And we'd be stuck with his contract through 2025.

 

You take Hosmer's $18M plus Richards' $10M......You can sign a freakin' ace.

Pass on Hosmer. Go for Rizzo. Settle for Cron.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We're getting Sale back, which is about as good an upgrade as you can get at the deadline.

 

I keep hearing and reading Boston brass and media say it, and want to believe it... while doing all I can to temper expectations. It's four years later and a major operation since Sale's first year in Boston and his last year that he dominated the AL for an entire season.

 

We know we can't expect Hall of Fame Sale. But will anything less than All-Star Eovaldi level be a disappointment? More importantly, will it be enough to win the East? Can we settle for inconsistent Pivetta level, with one or two bad innings every outing offset by a majority of quality starts?

[moonslav59]

Rizzo will cost too much and is a rental.

 

Bloom will not trade for him.

 

Santana or Cron.

[dgalehouse]

The trade talks between G.M.s are all private. All of the rumors , proposals and speculation are just for fun. I am sure there will be some surprises, both with what happens and what doesn't happen. And some fans will be happy and some won't. It will all be over in three days. Then the final third of the season. I think the Sox are looking good no matter what they do or don't do.

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox and Cubs have had at least preliminary talks about Anthony Rizzo, according to @JeffPassan

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[mvp 78]

Rizzo will cost too much and is a rental.

 

Bloom will not trade for him.

 

Santana or Cron.

 

I'd prefer Santana too, but Rizzo would light a pretty big fire.

[Bellhorn04]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox and Cubs have had at least preliminary talks about Anthony Rizzo, according to @JeffPassan

:

 

Well that's bloody interesting.

[oldtimer]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox and Cubs have had at least preliminary talks about Anthony Rizzo, according to @JeffPassan

:

 

I'll bet the Sox have had preliminary talks with multiple teams about 1st base prospects. I can't see Bloom taking on a costly rental like Rizzo.

[iortiz]

@ChrisCotillo

The Red Sox and Cubs have had at least preliminary talks about Anthony Rizzo, according to @JeffPassan

:

 

Wonder what the Cubs are asking.

[notin]

Wonder what the Cubs are asking.

 

 

Per BTV, a Rizzo-Dalbec swap is fair…

[Larry Cook]

Wonder what the Cubs are asking.

 

The Cubs job is to get maximum value for him.

 

Hang’em Chaim’s job is to outbid other teams, while trying to convince the Cubs that Rizzo is worthless!

 

The question we should be asking is how bad does hang’em Chaim want Rizzo?

[notin]

The Cubs job is to get maximum value for him.

 

Hang’em Chaim’s job is to outbid other teams, while trying to convince the Cubs that Rizzo is worthless!

 

The question we should be asking is how bad does hang’em Chaim want Rizzo?

 

It also comes down to what other teams need Rizzo. Any other contenders that one thinks could be looking for a 1b or DH?

[Bellhorn04]

Per BTV, a Rizzo-Dalbec swap is fair…

 

That would be perfect, as much as I was a Dalbec fanboy at the start of the season.

[Bellhorn04]

It'd be hard to find a better fit for this team than Rizzo, if the price is as low as Dalbec.

 

And it wouldn't surprise me if Henry and Werner are enamored of the idea.

[Bellhorn04]

Rays eying Bryant and Scherzer, says MLB.com. Are they smashing the piggy bank?

[moonslav59]

Rays eying Bryant and Scherzer, says MLB.com. Are they smashing the piggy bank?

 

They see a short window and grab for it.

 

Maybe this is why they dealt Hill.

[moonslav59]

I'd prefer Santana too, but Rizzo would light a pretty big fire.

 

Just say "NO!" to Rizzo.

 

He's not worth what it will cost. I don't think Bloom will give what the Cubs demand.

 

(I've been wrong many times before.)

[iortiz]

Rays eying Bryant and Scherzer, says MLB.com. Are they smashing the piggy bank?

 

I guess the Rays have the pieces to land both. Glasnow will rejoin them late in the season as well.

 

Maybe their owner is saying is time to push the money button now.

[moonslav59]

I guess the Rays have the pieces to land both. Glasnow will rejoin them late in the season as well.

 

Maybe their owner is saying is time to push the money button now.

 

I'll be happy to see the Rays trade top prospects for an all-in one year window.

 

It's a terrible strategy and one they have always avoided, for good reason.

 

I also hope the Yanks are buyers not sellers- for the same reason.

 

[iortiz]

I'll be happy to see the Rays trade top prospects for an all-in one year window.

 

It's a terrible strategy and one they have always avoided, for good reason.

 

I also hope the Yanks are buyers not sellers- for the same reason.

 

I think it is not always a bad idea give up top prospects when you are in a legit position to win it all.

 

We have won four rings and we have given top prospects in the process. They haven’t done that and they never have won a single ring. Also the pressure in large market teams is completely different. The Rays can spend another 100 years without winning and nobody will bother.