A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[mvp 78]

Verdugo is so good that you can't call the trade a disaster, in my opinion. Choose a less bad word

 

Verdugo is a good player, but he's a downgrade from Betts. If Downs or Wong doesn't pan out, it's not a good trade IMO.

[mvp 78]

Renfroe has a long enough record of success vs LHPs, and he is over .700, this year on that split, so we just need to put him in situations where he can be successful. I would not send him down. (Plus AAA has not started, so he won't be playing any games, if optioned.)

 

Cordero is a wildcard. To me, he should get a longer look, but the concern level is reaching the tipping point. Maybe once AAA starts, we can let him work out some issues there, but for now, start him vs some RHPs, and let Marwin play sometimes.

 

I know MiLB hasn't really ramped up, that's why I mentioned optioning in May in my first post.

[mvp 78]

Just as an FYI, WOO's first game this year is 5/4. May the fourth be with the WooSox this year.

[moonslav59]

I know MiLB hasn't really ramped up, that's why I mentioned optioning in May in my first post.

 

From the other side, we may not want to call up players who have not been playing live games until about mid May.

[mvp 78]

From the other side, we may not want to call up players who have not been playing live games until about mid May.

 

Puello could roll out of bed and hit 700 OPS. C'mon man.

[Bellhorn04]

I said that and then checked that they have options. Duh. Would Puello look any worse than Franchy or Hunter right now? Does a healthy Danny Santana take one of their spots?

 

There is some growing chatter that Cordero may be demoted soon.

[Bellhorn04]

Verdugo is a good player, but he's a downgrade from Betts. If Downs or Wong doesn't pan out, it's not a good trade IMO.

 

I can't help pointing out that Verdugo is outperforming Mookie so far in 2021.

[mvp 78]

There is some growing chatter that Cordero may be demoted soon.

 

Maybe they're just holding out for Santana to be ready?

[mvp 78]

I can't help pointing out that Verdugo is outperforming Mookie so far in 2021.

 

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[moonslav59]

Here's a review of Bloom's additions from year one and year two. Remember, he had a limited spending budget and a lot of holes to fill not just on the 26 and 40 man rosters but throughout the farm levels.

 

Year One (10/19 to end of 2020 season)

FAs: Mitch Moreland, Martin Perez, Kevin Plawecki, Kevin Pillar, Jose Peraza, Josh Osich, Collin McHugh, Yairo Munoz & Zack Godley(MiLB)

Rule 5: Jonathan Arauz

Waivers: C Arroyo, Chris Mazza, Phillips Valdez,Josh Osich, Stephen Gonsalves, Andrew Triggs, Deivy Grullon

Trades: Betts & Price + Cash for Verdugo, Downs & Wong, Workman & Hembree for Pivetta & Seabold, Moreland for Potts & Rosario, Pillar for Jacob Wallace, Osich for Zach Bryant, Santos for Brice, Lakins for Jhonny Perada, Jhon Nunez for Matt Hall, Sam Travis for Jefferey Springs

Drafted: (Dave's draft)

IFAs: Chih-Jung Liu, Diego Rodriguez

Year Two (October 2020 to today)

FAs: Kike Hernandez, Garrett Richards, Martin Perez, Hirokazu Sawamura, Hunter Renfroe, Matt Andriese, Marwin Gonzalez

Rule 5: Garrett Whitlock

Waivers: Joel Payamps, John Schreiber

Trades: Benintendi + cash for Franchy Cordero, Winckowski & 3 PTBNL, PTBNL or Cash for Ottavino, Frank German & cash, Mazza & Springs for Ronaldo Hernandez & Nick Sogard, Yoan Aybar for C. Koss, CJ Chatham for PTBNL or cash,

Draft: Nick Yorke, Blaze Jordan, J Wu-Yelleand, Shane Drohan

IFAs: Miguel Bleis, Enderso Lira, Luis Ravelo, J. Paez, A Liendo, A Mejias

 

Did I miss anyone important?

 

[mvp 78]

Here's a review of Bloom's additions from year one and year two. Remember, he had a limited spending budget and a lot of holes to fill not just on the 26 and 40 man rosters but throughout the farm levels.

 

There was no limited spending budget this offseason. They already reset last year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Here's a review of Bloom's additions from year one and year two. Remember, he had a limited spending budget and a lot of holes to fill not just on the 26 and 40 man rosters but throughout the farm levels.

 

Year One (10/19 to end of 2020 season)

FAs: Mitch Moreland, Martin Perez, Kevin Plawecki, Kevin Pillar, Jose Peraza, Josh Osich, Collin McHugh, Yairo Munoz & Zack Godley(MiLB)

Rule 5: Jonathan Arauz

Waivers: C Arroyo, Chris Mazza, Phillips Valdez,Josh Osich, Stephen Gonsalves, Andrew Triggs, Deivy Grullon

Trades: Betts & Price + Cash for Verdugo, Downs & Wong, Workman & Hembree for Pivetta & Seabold, Moreland for Potts & Rosario, Pillar for Jacob Wallace, Osich for Zach Bryant, Santos for Brice, Lakins for Jhonny Perada, Jhon Nunez for Matt Hall, Sam Travis for Jefferey Springs

Drafted: (Dave's draft)

IFAs: Chih-Jung Liu, Diego Rodriguez

Year Two (October 2020 to today)

FAs: Kike Hernandez, Garrett Richards, Martin Perez, Hirokazu Sawamura, Hunter Renfroe, Matt Andriese, Marwin Gonzalez

Rule 5: Garrett Whitlock

Waivers: Joel Payamps, John Schreiber

Trades: Benintendi + cash for Franchy Cordero, Winckowski & 3 PTBNL, PTBNL or Cash for Ottavino, Frank German & cash, Mazza & Springs for Ronaldo Hernandez & Nick Sogard, Yoan Aybar for C. Koss, CJ Chatham for PTBNL or cash,

Draft: Nick Yorke, Blaze Jordan, J Wu-Yelleand, Shane Drohan

IFAs: Miguel Bleis, Enderso Lira, Luis Ravelo, J. Paez, A Liendo, A Mejias

 

Did I miss anyone important?

 

 

The most: Alex Cora.

[moonslav59]

League Standings

 

AL

 

14-8 .636 KCR

15-9 .625 BOS

15-9 .625 OAK

12-10 CWS

13-11 SEA

12-11 HOU

12-12 TBR

11-11 CLE, LAA, TOR

10-13 BAL, NYY

10-14 TEX

8-16 DET

7-15 MN

 

NL

15-9 LAD, SFG

14-9 MIL

12-11 AZ, PIT, STL

13-12 SDP

9-9 NYM

11-12 ATL, CIN, PHI

10-13 Cubs, MIA

8-12 WSH

9-14 COL

 

[moonslav59]

There was no limited spending budget this offseason. They already reset last year.

 

Of course there was.

 

It's not always about resetting and returning to big spending. Our history shows more times going 2-3 years under the line than just one and dones.

[moonslav59]

The most: Alex Cora.

 

Indeed!

[mvp 78]

@RedSox

Since the beginning of 2019, Rafael Devers leads MLB with 61 go-ahead or game-tying RBI.

[moonslav59]

We all can see how badly Renfroe, Cordero and Plawecki are doing, this April, but let's look at some OPS by other players once considered or suggested by posters, here, including some by myself (FA or by trade)- plus a couple ex-Sox players for good measure:

 

.305 Pillar

.410 Josh Bell

.429 Adam Haseley

.434 Dustin Fowler

.471 Plawecki

.492 J Schoop

.498 Joc Pederson

.499 Cordero

.525 M Ozuna

.531 A McCutchen

.536 D Fowler

.545 Renfroe

.546 Schwarber

.560 JBJ

.560 B Gardner

.561 Cesar Hernandez

.598 K Kiermaier

.599 Benintendi

.603 J Heywood

.608 B Holt

.609 J McCann

.612 R Odor

.613 T La Stella

.615 E Rosario

.627 AJ Pollock

.635 J Profar

.637 L Cain

.648 Marwin G

.671 Travis Shaw

.672 M Semien

.676 Joe panik

.680 J Villar

.696 Dalbec

.700 Sandy leon

.706 J Polanco

.710 J Stallings

.721 E Inciarte

 

.760 Betts

.768 J Upton

.771 Arroyo

.779 Adam Frazier

.792 Jed Lowrie

.815 Brad Miller

.826 Wil Myers

.827 Jake Marisnikck

.873 M Moustakas

.942 M Brantley

.955 K Wong

.993 K Bryant

1.288 Pablito Sandoval

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

@RedSox

Since the beginning of 2019, Rafael Devers leads MLB with 61 go-ahead or game-tying RBI.

 

The kid is the man.

[Bellhorn04]

We all can see how badly renfroe, cordero and plawecki are doing, this april, but let's look at some ops by other players once considered or suggested by posters, here, including some by myself (fa or by trade)- plus a couple ex-sox players for good measure:

 

Bradley Jr .560

[moonslav59]

Bradley Jr .560

 

Thanks, I added him.

[moonslav59]

soxprospects.com...

 

-Outfielder Danny Santana, seen by some as a potential big league callup if injury or performance required another outfielder, has agreed to extend his opt-out into May as the Boston Globe's Alex Speier reports. The original opt-out was set for April 30.

 

-After throwing 17 innings with a 0.53 ERA to end last season, Tanner Houck (pictured, right) was certainly getting noticed, and he has been solid to start 2021 with a 4.35 ERA and 1.35 WHIP after 10.1 innings over two starts and a relief appearance. Houck tells MassLive.com's Christopher Smith that the "light bulb finally flicked on" ($) when watching one of Chris Sale's bullpen sessions last spring training.

[kenmeister]

Verdugo is a good player, but he's a downgrade from Betts. If Downs or Wong doesn't pan out, it's not a good trade IMO.

 

See you're agreeing with me. A disaster is say trading off your up & coming pitcher Derek Lowe and your up & coming catcher Jason Varitek to receive a horrible closer Heathcliff Slocumb.

[mvp 78]

See you're agreeing with me. A disaster is say trading off your up & coming pitcher Derek Lowe and your up & coming catcher Jason Varitek to receive a horrible closer Heathcliff Slocumb.

 

Losing Betts was a disaster. Verdugo is a very good player. Betts is a HOF player.

[harmony]

See you're agreeing with me. A disaster is say trading off your up & coming pitcher Derek Lowe and your up & coming catcher Jason Varitek to receive a horrible closer Heathcliff Slocumb.

Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek were hardly "up & coming" when the Seattle Mariners traded the pair to the Red Sox in July 1997.

 

Baseball America ranked Lowe No. 70 in 1993 and No. 63 in 1994 but had long since dropped Lowe from its Top 100 prospect rankings.

 

Baseball America ranked Varitek No. 51 in 1996 but dropped Varitek from its 1997 rankings because of the catcher's undistinguished performance.

 

Instead of "up & coming," the stock of Lowe and Varitek was dropping.

 

It's a cliche, but hindsight is 20/20. The trade worked out fabulously for the Red Sox and dismally for the Mariners.

 

Seattle fans take some comfort in that at the deadline the previous year the Mariners traded Darren Bragg for Jamie Moyer, who posted more WAR than Lowe or Varitek for his new team (and for his career).

[Nick]

Bradley Jr .560

 

And some thought he was worth 8-10M

[moonslav59]

Losing Betts was a disaster. Verdugo is a very good player. Betts is a HOF player.

 

Some context is needed.

 

We lost 60 games of Betts. Yes, a HOF player.

 

We gained 4 years of Verdugo.

5 years of Downs

5 years of Wong

$300M+ is budget space

[mvp 78]

Some context is needed.

 

We lost 60 games of Betts. Yes, a HOF player.

 

We gained 4 years of Verdugo.

5 years of Downs

5 years of Wong

$300M+ is budget space

 

60 games plus another 12 years that they should have signed him for.

 

What's the point in 5 years of Downs and Wong if we don't know if they'll even get to MLB?

 

Budget space??? You were saying that the budget was already restricted even after getting rid of Betts!

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie is a .240 hitter now.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Mookie is a .240 hitter now.

 

He sucks. What would take to get Freidman to convince Bloom to take back Mookie and that 12-year albatross contract for such a small body due to break down (unlike Judge and Stanton)? LA would have to include young pitching, but would even May and Gonsolin get it done? BrudSTAAAAH? Maybe... those three... and Lux?

[Bellhorn04]

He sucks. What would take to get Freidman to convince Bloom to take back Mookie and that 12-year albatross contract for such a small body due to break down (unlike Judge and Stanton)?

 

Mookie = too small

Judge and Stanton = too big