A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[vegasbob]

With the OF'ers that have gone through Fenway over the last 50 years, spending time thinking about Cordero as part of a longer term game plan is laughable to me. The stats are a good evaluation tool, but combine it with some eyeball observations to see the inherent skill levels and adjustments to the situation they are hitting in.

[Nick]

Anxiously awaiting for Part III so I can start bitching about our starting rotation....they are imploding.

 

If Bloom and Cora can't see that then they're not half as good as I thought......

 

Don't have Houck miss a turn....are you kidding me? Did they watch E Rod pitch last night? Richards? Pivetta?

Edited July 30, 2021 by Nick

[Nick]

Richards, last 4 starts

IP R H BB

4.0 4 5 3

5.2 4 7 1 W

5.0 3 4 1 W

5.0 2 8 1 L

[a700hitter]

Anxiously awaiting for Part III so I can start bitching about our starting rotation....they are imploding.

 

If Bloom and Cora can't see that then they're not half as good as I thought......

 

Don't have Houck miss a turn....are you kidding me? Did they watch E Rod pitch last night? Richards? Pivetta?

Agreed. Without reinforcements, this team could take a bad turn. Blue Jays have added Hand and Berríos and they are pretty far back. Yanks added two big bats, and Bloom has a guy on the DL.

[moonslav59]

Call me crazy but I would rather protect K.Crawford on the 40 man than Cordero or Dalbec. And if I were running a team and making a trade with the Red Sox, I would be more interested in acquiring K.Crawford over Cordero or Dalbec. I would also prefer A.Scherff over Cordero and Dalbec.

 

I just don't like the hit tools of Cordero and Dalbec. And Cordero doesn't play quality defense anywhere. Dalbec is a little more interesting because he can play 3b, but I don't want his pathetic hit tool on my roster.

 

Santana

Andriese

Rios

Wilson

Arauz

Potts

Rosario

Richards

 

All Sox players I'd DFA DFA Cordero or Dalbec.

[Nick]

They could have stretched out Whitlock.....

 

Pre-June 1: Pivetta 3.86, Perez 3.55, Richards 3.83, Rodriguez 5.64.

 

Post June 1: Pivetta 5.17, Perez 4.91, Richards 6.65, Rodriguez 5.55.

Edited July 30, 2021 by Nick

[mvp 78]

Santana

Andriese

Rios

Wilson

Arauz

Potts

Rosario

Richards

 

All Sox players I'd DFA DFA Cordero or Dalbec.

 

I'd take Wilson, Arauz and Rosario over Cordero. I take Dalbec over all those guys.

[mvp 78]

They could have stretched out Whitlock.....

 

He's exactly the type of guy you need in postseason situations. I'm glad he's in the pen.

[iortiz]

If this team goes at it is now I will go like this in a regular basis:

 

1. Kike (CF)

2. Verdugo (LF)

3. Xander (SS)

4. Devers (3B)

5. JD (DH)

6. Shwarber (1B)

7. Renfroe (RF)

8. Vazquez ©

9. Arroyo (2B)

 

Duran

Muñoz

Arauz

Kevin

Marwin

 

Rotation

 

Sale

Eovaldi

Houck

Rodriguez

Pivetta

 

BP

 

Barnes

Ottavino

Whitlock

Taylor

Perez

Richards

Valdez

 

Offense: Elite

Rotation: Good

BP. Elite

Bench: Good

 

I'm assuming Sale is at least 80%, Arroyo can stay healthy and Shwarber plays 1B.

 

If the later is true and everyone is relatively healthy, this is a legit WS contender team.

Edited July 30, 2021 by iortiz

[mvp 78]

If this team goes at it is now I would go like this in a regular basis:

 

1. Kike (CF)

2. Verdugo (LF)

3. Xander (SS)

4. Devers (3B)

5. JD (DH)

6. Shwarber (1B)

7. Renfroe (RF)

8. Vazquez ©

9. Arroyo (2B)

 

Duran

Muñoz

Arauz

Kevin

Marwin

 

Rotation

 

Sale

Eovaldi

Houck

Rodriguez

Pivetta

 

BP

 

Barnes

Ottavino

Whitlock

Taylor

Perez

Richards

Valdez

 

Offense: Elite

Rotation: Good

BP. Elite

Bench: Good

 

I'm assuming Sale is at least 80%, Arroyo can stay healthy and Shwarber plays 1B.

 

If the later is true and everyone is relatively healthy, this is a legit WS contender team.

 

I agree that that's their best lineup right now.

[iortiz]

I agree that that's their best lineup right now.

 

Yeah and it matches any elite lineup in baseball.

[moonslav59]

I'd take Wilson, Arauz and Rosario over Cordero. I take Dalbec over all those guys.

 

Even if you like them all better, why not trade the two, instead of DFA'ing them?

 

They have trade value.

[Bellhorn04]

I agree that that's their best lineup right now.

 

The best lineup is actually with Plawecki instead of Vaz right now.

[iortiz]

The best lineup is actually with Plawecki instead of Vaz right now.

 

Good point but I highly doubt Alex benches Vazquez.

[mvp 78]

The best lineup is actually with Plawecki instead of Vaz right now.

 

DFA Plawecki

[moonslav59]

I'd go...

 

1. Kike CF

2. Bogey SS

3. Devers 3B

4. JD DH

5. Scwarber 1B

6. Renfroe RF

7. Verdugo LF

8. Arroyo 2B

9. Vaz/Plawecki C

 

Bench:

Duran

Plawecki

Marwin

Dalbec

 

Rotation:

Eovaldi

Sale

Jon Gray

ERod

Pivetta

 

Pen

Barnes

Ottavino

Whitlock

Houck

Taylor

DHern

Sawamura

 

Richards and Perez traded

Santana & Andriese DFA'd

(Chavis, Rios, Valdez & Cordero to AAA)

[mvp 78]

Even if you like them all better, why not trade the two, instead of DFA'ing them?

 

They have trade value.

 

I'd only DFA Cordero.

[moonslav59]

DFA Plawecki

 

Why turn ghost on us?

[mvp 78]

Why turn ghost on us?

 

Stop.

[moonslav59]

I'd only DFA Cordero.

 

You think Cordero & Plawecki have no trade value?

 

Plawecki s doing better than Vaz, this year.

[moonslav59]

Stop.

 

Okay, that was harsh, but you're on a slash and burn mission.

[Bellhorn04]

Okay, that was harsh, but you're on a slash and burn mission.

 

And you're the guy who's trading Perez.

[mvp 78]

Okay, that was harsh, but you're on a slash and burn mission.

 

It is the MLB trade deadline.

[mvp 78]

And you're the guy who's trading Perez.

 

He deserves better than that.

 

Perez wanted to come back after 2020! That's what a great guy he is.

[moonslav59]

And you're the guy who's trading Perez.

 

Not DFA'ing.

 

I'd want to trade Perez, only if we pick up a starter via another trade.

 

I'm done with Richards, Andriese and Santana. Call that slash and burn, but I have an army with me.

[moonslav59]

It is the MLB trade deadline.

 

How many guys are we going to acquire to get past DFA'ing Andriese, Santana and Richards and maybe Rios all the way to Cordero?

[iortiz]

I forgot Sawamura, so I'd trade/DFA Richards.

[moonslav59]

I defended Perez all year, and if we don't acquire a pitcher, he's on my 13 man staff over Richards, Andriese and Rios.

 

The context for trading him was only if we add a better starter.

 

I'm not sure Perez would work well from the pen. My thought is he'd be worth more to another team as a starter than to us as a pen arm, hence the idea trading him might be best.

[mvp 78]

How many guys are we going to acquire to get past DFA'ing Andriese, Santana and Richards and maybe Rios all the way to Cordero?

 

A freakin' lot.

[iortiz]

I think Perez could be a better asset than DHer in the pen.