A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[Fan_since_Boggs]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2021/6/30/22557177/boston-red-sox-roster-franchy-cordero-first-base-outfield-bobby-dalbec-jarren-duran-marcus-wilson

 

The problem is that there is a little bit of a logjam in the outfield, both in the majors and along with Cordero in Triple-A. In the majors, Alex Verdugo and Hunter Renfroe have very obviously earned everyday roles, while Kiké Hernández is starting to turn things around as well. Then down in Worcester, Cordero also has to compete with Jarren Duran for a call-up, and the latter arguably takes precedent at this point if a full-time job opens up. And that’s not even mentioning Marcus Wilson, who is already on the 40-man (as is Cordero, though Duran is not) and is somewhat quietly hitting .270/.394/.497.

 

So, a big part of this move is simply moving Cordero out of the outfield picture, or at least having him get a toe into the infield picture as well. But it also helps the first base position for the Red Sox as well. That has been a problem area all season, with Bobby Dalbec struggling and only Cleveland coming in with a worse wRC+ at the cold corner in all of baseball. For Dalbec specifically, he has been particularly bad against right-handed pitching, with a 62 wRC+ against same-handed pitchers while posting a 123 mark against southpaws.

 

Cordero, on the other hand, hits from the left side and over his career he has been better against righties, with a 90 wRC+ against them compared to a brutal 47 mark against lefties.

 

This could be the makings of an awesome 1b platoon.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Cordero could platoon with Dalbec while also filling the role of 4th outfielder. To make room for Cordero the Red Sox would likely release Santana.

 

My guess is that Cordero gets promoted before Duran is promoted.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Cordero could platoon with Dalbec while also filling the role of 4th outfielder. To make room for Cordero the Red Sox would likely release Santana.

 

My guess is that Cordero gets promoted before Duran is promoted.

 

... especially if Franchy is part of a platoon at first base and/or as a 4th outfielder. At this point in their careers: Cordero needs to do whatever he can to get back on a big league roster; Duran needs to play every day so when he comes up, it's as a regular in the starting line-up.

[notin]

Cordero could platoon with Dalbec while also filling the role of 4th outfielder. To make room for Cordero the Red Sox would likely release Santana.

 

My guess is that Cordero gets promoted before Duran is promoted.

 

Releasing Santana would also open a spot on the 40 man roster. This could be useful as July approaches.

[moonslav59]

Cordero did not look all that great on defence in the OF, so it seems like a good idea.

[Nick]

So Cordero has better chance of mastering 1B than Duran in CF? Sure, boys.....

 

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm all about exploring every option, looking under every rock.

 

My goal is to get the best 26 player roster for the Sox.

 

You know, maybe trading out Houck for Workman, as an example.

 

Will that break the team chemistry?

[mvp 78]

So Cordero has better chance of mastering 1B than Duran in CF? Sure, boys.....

 

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm all about exploring every option, looking under every rock.

 

My goal is to get the best 26 player roster for the Sox.

 

You know, maybe trading out Houck for Workman, as an example.

 

Will that break the team chemistry?

 

Who said master?

 

Kiké is good at CF. Dalbec is poor at 1b. That’s the bar.

[moonslav59]

So Cordero has better chance of mastering 1B than Duran in CF? Sure, boys.....

 

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm all about exploring every option, looking under every rock.

 

My goal is to get the best 26 player roster for the Sox.

 

You know, maybe trading out Houck for Workman, as an example.

 

Will that break the team chemistry?

 

Workman is the whole key to our fortunes.

 

When we called him up, everything changed for the good.

[Bellhorn04]

So Cordero has better chance of mastering 1B than Duran in CF? Sure, boys.....

 

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm all about exploring every option, looking under every rock.

 

My goal is to get the best 26 player roster for the Sox.

 

You know, maybe trading out Houck for Workman, as an example.

 

Will that break the team chemistry?

 

As the old cliché goes, this is a good problem to have. Yankee fans are talking about heads needing to roll and pissed about things like us getting Whitlock. We're talking about whether to promote a guy who looks like a possible star.

[moonslav59]

As the old cliché goes, this is a good problem to have. Yankee fans are talking about heads needing to roll and pissed about things like us getting Whitlock. We're talking about whether to promote a guy who looks like a possible star.

 

Who? Cordero, Ort or Marcus Wilson?

 

(LOL)

[Bellhorn04]

Who? Cordero, Ort or Marcus Wilson?

 

(LOL)

 

If we do call up Ort, wouldn't it be cool if we have a game with the Yankees where Whitlock, Ottavino, and Ort all pitch and we win?

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder how many times in his career Martin Perez has pitched 5.0 or 5.1 innings. I may have to look that up.

[moonslav59]

I wonder how many times in his career Martin Perez has pitched 5.0 or 5.1 innings. I may have to look that up.

 

This year, 15 starts

10 times he pitched into the 5th. He has a 0.00 ERA in the 5th inning. It's the 5.1 that gets him.

6 times he pitched into the 6th and has an 8.31 ERA in the 6th, but surprisingly a .563 OPS against.

1 time he went into the 8th inning (0.00 ERA in the 7th & 8th)

 

Career:

184 GS'd

164 times went into 5th (158.1 IP, so finished it most of the time) 4.32 ERA

136 times into the 6th (116.1 IP, so a little less success) 3.79 ERA

64 into the 7th (47 IP) 6.32 ERA

18 into the 8th (13.1 IP) 4.72

7 times into the 9th (6.1 IP) 2.84

 

Note: he has 31 IP as a RP'er, so I'm not sure what innings they were. 1028 IP as a starter.)

[Nick]

If Sox were to trade for Trevor Story to play 2B for the stretch run, do we receive any type of compensation for losing him to free agency? I was thinking they changed the rules.

 

Not happening but wondering....

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This year, 15 starts

10 times he pitched into the 5th. He has a 0.00 ERA in the 5th inning. It's the 5.1 that gets him.

6 times he pitched into the 6th and has an 8.31 ERA in the 6th, but surprisingly a .563 OPS against.

1 time he went into the 8th inning (0.00 ERA in the 7th & 8th)

 

Career:

184 GS'd

164 times went into 5th (158.1 IP, so finished it most of the time) 4.32 ERA

136 times into the 6th (116.1 IP, so a little less success) 3.79 ERA

64 into the 7th (47 IP) 6.32 ERA

18 into the 8th (13.1 IP) 4.72

7 times into the 9th (6.1 IP) 2.84

 

Note: he has 31 IP as a RP'er, so I'm not sure what innings they were. 1028 IP as a starter.)

 

Perez is a team player, good guy to root for, and the perfect #5/6 starter or eventual lefty innings-eater in the pen. Even after rotation upgrades -- for Richards, and maybe ERod or Pivetta -- Perez may still be useful... and inexpensive.

[Nick]

I have some stupid ideas...here's one at the top of my list.

 

I think Devers is athletic. Most of his issues defensively deals with his throwing. Is he agile enough to play 2B? Can he be taught to turn double play? With advent of defensive s***, modern day players are asked to stand away from their normal position. Obviously not as much 'travel' for 3B. Would shortening up his throws help him defensively?

 

I remember thinking how great it was to have 'power' bat at 2B. Joe Morgan of Reds comes to my mind.

 

Assuming Dalbec eventually tears cover off baseballs, we can get more offensive by having Devers play 2B, moving Dalbec to 3B.

 

Offer him 12 year, $360M contract with delayed payouts and work the deal down to $25M luxury tax payroll amount. (it's never the cash, it's always the luxury tax implication that matters)

 

With that contract, he can be convinced to play any position for the good of the team. Championship should be the only thing that would matter to him.

 

What else is there to talk about? We're exceeding all expectations. 19 freaking games over .500. (we went 54-27, both halves in 2018)

Edited July 1, 2021 by Nick

[Hugh2]

I have some stupid ideas...here's one at the top of my list.

 

I think Devers is athletic. Most of his issues defensively deals with his throwing. Is he agile enough to play 2B? Can he be taught to turn double play? With advent of defensive s***, modern day players are asked to stand away from their normal position. Obviously not as much 'travel' space for 3B.

 

I remember thinking how great it was to have 'power' bat at 2B. Joe Morgan of Reds comes to my mind.

 

Assuming Dalbec eventually tears cover off baseballs, we can get more offensive by having Devers play 2B.

 

Offer him 12 year, $360M contract with delayed payouts and work the deal down to $25M luxury tax payroll amount. (it's never the cash, it's always the luxury tax implication that matters)

 

With that contract, he can be convinced to play any position for the good of the team. Championship should be the only thing that would matter to him.

 

Devers is fine at 3B, I don't know what his problems were early in the season, but after the first month, he's looked good over there.

[mvp 78]

If Sox were to trade for Trevor Story to play 2B for the stretch run, do we receive any type of compensation for losing him to free agency? I was thinking they changed the rules.

 

Not happening but wondering....

 

No.

[mvp 78]

I have some stupid ideas...here's one at the top of my list.

 

I think Devers is athletic. Most of his issues defensively deals with his throwing. Is he agile enough to play 2B? Can he be taught to turn double play? With advent of defensive s***, modern day players are asked to stand away from their normal position. Obviously not as much 'travel' for 3B. Would shortening up his throws help him defensively?

 

I remember thinking how great it was to have 'power' bat at 2B. Joe Morgan of Reds comes to my mind.

 

Assuming Dalbec eventually tears cover off baseballs, we can get more offensive by having Devers play 2B, moving Dalbec to 3B.

 

Offer him 12 year, $360M contract with delayed payouts and work the deal down to $25M luxury tax payroll amount. (it's never the cash, it's always the luxury tax implication that matters)

 

With that contract, he can be convinced to play any position for the good of the team. Championship should be the only thing that would matter to him.

 

What else is there to talk about? We're exceeding all expectations. 19 freaking games over .500.

 

Why move Dalbec? He's a #9 hitter who is very replaceable.

[Nick]

Why move Dalbec? He's a #9 hitter who is very replaceable.

 

I said assuming he hits the cover off....I'm trying figure out how to max out our offense. We can also move Xander to 3B, acquire a shortstop and have Devers play 1B.

 

I also said it was a stupid idea #1.

[Elktonnick]

Devers is fine at 3B, I don't know what his problems were early in the season, but after the first month, he's looked good over there.

 

We sometimes forget how young Devers is. 99% percent of his errors stem from poor judgment and are primarily throwing errors. Right now he is on track to be another Adrian Beltre. Within three years he could be the premier 3rd baseman in baseball. He will be playing 3rd base for as long as he wants.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

We sometimes forget how young Devers is. 99% percent of his errors stem from poor judgment and are primarily throwing errors. Right now he is on track to be another Adrian Beltre. Within three years he could be the premier 3rd baseman in baseball. He will be playing 3rd base for as long as he wants.

 

I agree, plus the fact that moving a player to a new position could also effect his hitting for quite a while.

[Nick]

I agree, plus the fact that moving a player to a new position could also effect his hitting for quite a while.

 

Moving Devers to 1B has been discussed previously. It's also possible that Xander's range at SS will be so deficient that it may necessitate move to 3B.

[Maxbialystock]

I have some stupid ideas...here's one at the top of my list.

 

I think Devers is athletic. Most of his issues defensively deals with his throwing. Is he agile enough to play 2B? Can he be taught to turn double play? With advent of defensive s***, modern day players are asked to stand away from their normal position. Obviously not as much 'travel' for 3B. Would shortening up his throws help him defensively?

 

I remember thinking how great it was to have 'power' bat at 2B. Joe Morgan of Reds comes to my mind.

 

Assuming Dalbec eventually tears cover off baseballs, we can get more offensive by having Devers play 2B, moving Dalbec to 3B.

 

Offer him 12 year, $360M contract with delayed payouts and work the deal down to $25M luxury tax payroll amount. (it's never the cash, it's always the luxury tax implication that matters)

 

With that contract, he can be convinced to play any position for the good of the team. Championship should be the only thing that would matter to him.

 

What else is there to talk about? We're exceeding all expectations. 19 freaking games over .500. (we went 54-27, both halves in 2018)

 

Devers is the 10th ranked thirdbaseman in MLB in terms of DWAR. His is + .4.

 

If Dalbec can't handle 1b, which is a much easier position, I sure wouldn't trust him at 3b.

[mvp 78]

Devers is the 10th ranked thirdbaseman in MLB in terms of DWAR. His is + .4.

 

If Dalbec can't handle 1b, which is a much easier position, I sure wouldn't trust him at 3b.

 

^^^^^^^

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

^^^^^^^

 

I've watched all the SOX games so far this season and I don't believe Dalbec has embarrassed himself defensively at 1st base. In fact, I think he's adapted quite well to the position. My hope is that he continues to improve at the plate.

[Maxbialystock]

Cordero is getting in some work at first base:

https://nesn.com/2021/06/red-sox-testing-out-franchy-cordero-at-first-base-in-worcester/

 

This makes sense. Cordero doesn't have a clear opening in the OF now or in the future with Duran, Verdugo, and Renfroe looking like keepers. First base has been an area of weakness for the Red Sox this year, and it is not clear that Dalbec will hit enough to be a full-time player.

 

And Cordero is the answer!!!!!?????? He played 3 years, 2017-2019, for the Padres but never more than 40 games in a season, which says a lot. He's played 34 games with the Sox and an OPS of .501.

 

Cordero has never played 1b or hit well enough in 5 seasons in the Majors to become a regular. Bobby Dalbec has promise, but so far has been terrible fielding at 1b and erratic at bat. With those two alternating at first base, the Sox could also apply for a clown license. When the umps insist on playing in the rain, one or both of them could sit on the mound and pretend to row with a couple of bats.

[Bellhorn04]

I've watched all the SOX games so far this season and I don't believe Dalbec has embarrassed himself defensively at 1st base. In fact, I think he's adapted quite well to the position. My hope is that he continues to improve at the plate.

 

The advanced numbers are not kind to his D so far. I've seen him make some nice picks on throws though.

 

But I too hope he gets better.

[Bellhorn04]

And Cordero is the answer!!!!!?????? He played 3 years, 2017-2019, for the Padres but never more than 40 games in a season, which says a lot. He's played 34 games with the Sox and an OPS of .501.

 

Cordero has never played 1b or hit well enough in 5 seasons in the Majors to become a regular. Bobby Dalbec has promise, but so far has been terrible fielding at 1b and erratic at bat. With those two alternating at first base, the Sox could also apply for a clown license. When the umps insist on playing in the rain, one or both of them could sit on the mound and pretend to row with a couple of bats.

 

Jeez Max, that's a little harsh.

[notin]

And Cordero is the answer!!!!!?????? He played 3 years, 2017-2019, for the Padres but never more than 40 games in a season, which says a lot. He's played 34 games with the Sox and an OPS of .501.

 

Cordero has never played 1b or hit well enough in 5 seasons in the Majors to become a regular. Bobby Dalbec has promise, but so far has been terrible fielding at 1b and erratic at bat. With those two alternating at first base, the Sox could also apply for a clown license. When the umps insist on playing in the rain, one or both of them could sit on the mound and pretend to row with a couple of bats.

 

Cordero’s limited playing time has been a combination of injuries and a lot of competition in a crowded San Diego outfield. Also, if Dalbec has promise, Cordero is only 9 months older.

 

Franchy probably isn’t the answer at 1b, but the main reason the Sox might give him a try is simple - he’s already here…