A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[mvp 78]

Red Sox currently have a 61% chance of winning the division, 87% chance of making the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

Devers is fine at 3B, I don't know what his problems were early in the season, but after the first month, he's looked good over there.

 

He’s been fantastic!

[Maxbialystock]

We sometimes forget how young Devers is. 99% percent of his errors stem from poor judgment and are primarily throwing errors. Right now he is on track to be another Adrian Beltre. Within three years he could be the premier 3rd baseman in baseball. He will be playing 3rd base for as long as he wants.

 

Astute.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We sometimes forget how young Devers is. 99% percent of his errors stem from poor judgment and are primarily throwing errors. Within three years he could be the premier 3rd baseman in baseball.

 

Within three hours he could be the AL's starting 3rd baseman for the All-Star Game.

[Maxbialystock]

Jeez Max, that's a little harsh.

 

Definitely over the top, for which I do apologize.

 

Somewhere on this thread,however, is a laydown by moonslav explaining why the Sox don't need to make bold moves right now, and that includes bowing to the pressure to bring up guys from Worcester. Returning Arroyo, a competent infielder who has demonstrated his MLB hitting prowess this season and is on the IL, is not in that category.

 

Yet suddenly comes this cry to promote Cordero, whose OPS this year is .501, who never impressed anyone at San Diego or KC, and who has never played first base. Am I the only one who noticed that Bobby Dalbec's lousy OPS vs. righties is .558 in 77 plate appearances, is in fact better than Cordero's .516 in 83 plate appearances, also against righties?

 

The club is doing great without Arroyo, who should be brought back when he is healthy, so why this cry to promote Cordero and, even worse, force him into the infield?

 

I do have heartburn about Dalbec's rotten DWAR, -1.1, but believe that has to improve given his experience at 3b. Plus Cora and Bloom believe he has real hitting potential. He currently is 5th on the Sox in RBI's and dingers.

[Bellhorn04]

Definitely over the top, for which I do apologize.

 

Somewhere on this thread,however, is a laydown by moonslav explaining why the Sox don't need to make bold moves right now, and that includes bowing to the pressure to bring up guys from Worcester. Returning Arroyo, a competent infielder who has demonstrated his MLB hitting prowess this season and is on the IL, is not in that category.

 

Yet suddenly comes this cry to promote Cordero, whose OPS this year is .501, who never impressed anyone at San Diego or KC, and who has never played first base. Am I the only one who noticed that Bobby Dalbec's lousy OPS vs. righties is .558 in 77 plate appearances, is in fact better than Cordero's .516 in 83 plate appearances, also against righties?

 

The club is doing great without Arroyo, who should be brought back when he is healthy, so why this cry to promote Cordero and, even worse, force him into the infield?

 

I do have heartburn about Dalbec's rotten DWAR, -1.1, but believe that has to improve given his experience at 3b. Plus Cora and Bloom believe he has real hitting potential. He currently is 5th on the Sox in RBI's and dingers.

 

All I can say is, I have complete faith in Bloom and Cora. If they think it's worth giving Cordero a shot in a platoon situation, I'm fine with it.

[mvp 78]

Definitely over the top, for which I do apologize.

 

Somewhere on this thread,however, is a laydown by moonslav explaining why the Sox don't need to make bold moves right now, and that includes bowing to the pressure to bring up guys from Worcester. Returning Arroyo, a competent infielder who has demonstrated his MLB hitting prowess this season and is on the IL, is not in that category.

 

Yet suddenly comes this cry to promote Cordero, whose OPS this year is .501, who never impressed anyone at San Diego or KC, and who has never played first base. Am I the only one who noticed that Bobby Dalbec's lousy OPS vs. righties is .558 in 77 plate appearances, is in fact better than Cordero's .516 in 83 plate appearances, also against righties?

 

The club is doing great without Arroyo, who should be brought back when he is healthy, so why this cry to promote Cordero and, even worse, force him into the infield?

 

I do have heartburn about Dalbec's rotten DWAR, -1.1, but believe that has to improve given his experience at 3b. Plus Cora and Bloom believe he has real hitting potential. He currently is 5th on the Sox in RBI's and dingers.

 

Cordero is replacing Santana, not Arroyo. Chavis will go down when Arroyo comes back.

[Nick]

All I can say is, I have complete faith in Bloom and Cora. If they think it's worth giving Cordero a shot in a platoon situation, I'm fine with it.

 

I doubt Cordero is fielding grounders at 1B without the direction from Bloom.

[moonslav59]

Definitely over the top, for which I do apologize.

 

Somewhere on this thread,however, is a laydown by moonslav explaining why the Sox don't need to make bold moves right now, and that includes bowing to the pressure to bring up guys from Worcester. Returning Arroyo, a competent infielder who has demonstrated his MLB hitting prowess this season and is on the IL, is not in that category.

 

Yet suddenly comes this cry to promote Cordero, whose OPS this year is .501, who never impressed anyone at San Diego or KC, and who has never played first base. Am I the only one who noticed that Bobby Dalbec's lousy OPS vs. righties is .558 in 77 plate appearances, is in fact better than Cordero's .516 in 83 plate appearances, also against righties?

 

The club is doing great without Arroyo, who should be brought back when he is healthy, so why this cry to promote Cordero and, even worse, force him into the infield?

 

I do have heartburn about Dalbec's rotten DWAR, -1.1, but believe that has to improve given his experience at 3b. Plus Cora and Bloom believe he has real hitting potential. He currently is 5th on the Sox in RBI's and dingers.

 

I don’t think anyone is expecting Cordero to stun us, except maybe in a bad way for some.

 

To me, it’s more about being the time or close to the time to give up on Santana.

 

Cordero is going to get another shot. We traded Beni for him, but that is not the only reason he’ll get another chance or two or three. He has shown signs of being a plus over his spotted career- majors and minors.

 

If the Sox deemed Duran ready, I’d prefer him over Cordero, and not just because we need OF more than 1B, IMO.

 

Edited July 1, 2021 by moonslav59

[oldtimer]

I don’t think anyone is e levying Cordero to stun us, except maybe in a bad way for some.

 

To me, it’s more about being the time or close to the time to give up on Santana.

 

Cordero is going to get another shot. We traded Beni for him, but that is not the only reason he’ll get another chance or two or three. He has shown signs of being a plus over his spotted career- majors and minors.

 

If the Sox deemed Duran ready, I’d prefer him over Cordero, and not just because we need OF more than 1B, IMO.

 

 

I believe the Sox have decided to let Duran play for the Olympics team. If that is true, he won't become available until the 2nd week of August at the earliest.

[moonslav59]

I believe the Sox have decided to let Duran play for the Olympics team. If that is true, he won't become available until the 2nd week of August at the earliest.

 

Makes sense.

 

For all we know, they may think Duran is alreadyML ready, but we’re waiting for the Olympics to end.

[mvp 78]

Makes sense.

 

For all we know, they may think Duran is alreadyML ready, but we’re waiting for the Olympics to end.

 

I highly doubt that. If they thought he was ready, he'd be up.

[mvp 78]

@steve_hewitt

Nathan Eovaldi in two starts with Connor Wong as his catcher: 14.2 IP, 1 ER, 0 BB, 12 K.

 

DFA Plawecki

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

Devers now has 122 hard hits balls this year, after going 110 mph, 108 mph, 106 mph, and 104 mph this afternoon.

 

His hard hit rate is 3rd behind Judge and Ohtani.

[notin]

@steve_hewitt

Nathan Eovaldi in two starts with Connor Wong as his catcher: 14.2 IP, 1 ER, 0 BB, 12 K.

 

DFA Plawecki

 

Can he play 1b?

[mvp 78]

Can he play 1b?

 

Wong probably could.

[oldtimer]

The Sox have three tough West coast games beginning tomorrow night. Oakland is no pushover. They are followed by three with the Angels who have stars but my not be as formidable as Oakland. This will be a tough trip but i hope for at least a split.

[harmony]

The Sox have three tough West coast games beginning tomorrow night. Oakland is no pushover. They are followed by three with the Angels who have stars but my not be as formidable as Oakland. This will be a tough trip but i hope for at least a split.

But the Red Sox avoid the Seattle Mariners, who have won 12 of their last 16 games (including a 6-1 record against AL East teams).

[Bellhorn04]

But the Red Sox avoid the Seattle Mariners, who have won 12 of their last 16 games (including a 6-1 record against AL East teams).

 

Yes, I'm happy to miss them right now.

[Elktonnick]

Yes, I'm happy to miss them right now.

Historically, the Red Sox do not play well on the West Coast.

[moonslav59]

Historically, the Red Sox do not play well on the West Coast.

 

This will be a good test for the Sox. These two teams play a different brand of ball.

 

Man, we are looking so damn good right now.

[Maxbialystock]

All I can say is, I have complete faith in Bloom and Cora. If they think it's worth giving Cordero a shot in a platoon situation, I'm fine with it.

 

Then we disagree about the platoon idea, but not about Bloom and Cora and the need to let Santana go, even after today's game.

[Maxbialystock]

Seven game winning streak is fantastic, and it would beyond that is the Sox could sweep the A's.

[moonslav59]

Don't look now, but Renfroe is now part of the big 4, or we can now call them the big 5.

 

.941 Devers

.941 Bogey

.934 JD

 

.804 Renfroe

.782 Verdugo

 

.754 Arroyo

.728 Kike

.693 Dalbec

 

.668 Plawecki

.665 Vazquez

.606 Chavis

.594 Gonzalez

.580 Santana

 

Keep an eye on the third group: one or more maybe create a big 6 or 7!

[Nick]

Don't look now, but Renfroe is now part of the big 4, or we can now call them the big 5.

 

.941 Devers

.941 Bogey

.934 JD

 

.804 Renfroe

.782 Verdugo

 

.754 Arroyo

.728 Kike

.693 Dalbec

 

.668 Plawecki

.665 Vazquez

.606 Chavis

.594 Gonzalez

.580 Santana

 

Keep an eye on the third group: one or more maybe create a big 6 or 7!

 

We'll have Big 8.....Big 9 if Vaz gets hot.

[moonslav59]

All 5 have 75 or more innings pitched, this year. Only 39 AL starters have that many.

Nate is 4th with 98

Nick is 22nd with 85

Garrett is 27th with 82

Eduardo is 32nd with 79

Martin is 39th with 76

 

ERA

3.41 Eovaldi

4.04 Perez

4.43 Pivetta

4.96 Richards

5.83 ERod

[moonslav59]

We'll have Big 8.....Big 9 if Vaz gets hot.

 

Big change from the 5 big black holes we had in April and 4 in May & June.

[moonslav59]

Pitches per IP

 

15.2 Barnes

15.3 Houck

15.9 Eovaldi

16.2 Perez

16.3 Whitlock

16.7 Taylor

17.1 ERod

17.2 Workman

17.4 Richards

17.9 Andriese & Valdez

18.0 Pivetta & Ottavino

18.2 Sawamura

19.0 DHern

19.5 Rios

 

 

[Nick]

Boone thinks new rule has not affected his staff

New York Post Article

 

"The numbers seem to suggest otherwise. Before the June 3 memo went out, the Yankees had a team ERA of 3.16, which was second best in baseball. Since then, it is 5.26, 25th best. The biggest culprits have been ace Gerrit Cole and closer Aroldis Chapman, two pitchers paid to dominate. Both of them have seen significant decreases in their spin rates, believed to be a byproduct of doing away with the sticky substances.

 

Dating to the date of the memo, Cole has a 4.65 ERA. The Yankees have lost three of his five starts in that span. He has failed to go beyond five innings twice and has allowed nine home runs — four more than he gave up in his first 11 starts, when he notched a microscopic 1.78 ERA.

 

 

Chapman has been even worse. He has been scored upon in five of his last nine outings, allowing 11 earned runs in 5 ²/₃ innings. Chapman, who has blown two saves and taken losses two other times, also struck out just six while walking eight — at least two in each of his last three appearances. Wednesday night was rock bottom, when the lefty fireballer blew a four-run lead by allowing a grand slam after walking three hitters. Before the rough stretch, he had a 0.39 ERA. Since then, it is an astounding 17.47.

 

But Boone doesn’t believe these issues are connected to not being able to use these foreign substances, and instead pointed to mechanical issues."

 

“I do not think that’s part of his problem,” Boone said. “I feel strongly that’s not part of the problem.”

 

Yeah lets hope it's just mechanical........

Edited July 2, 2021 by Nick

[Nick]

It's one thing to be 9 games behind the Sox, it's another to have two other teams in between.

 

They have a mountain climb as intra-division games mount. Not sure they can dominate all three teams at the same time.

 

If the situation was reversed, I'd hope we'd sell off every piece of lawn furniture not attached to youth movement....Barnes, Ottavino, Richards, E Rod, etc...

 

GARAGE SALE TODAY ONLY, 4 JERSEY STREET

Edited July 2, 2021 by Nick