Beni traded to Royals

[a700hitter]

Bloom is a genius!

 

He got 5 players for 1!!!

 

And, only had to pay $2.8M out of his $6.6 owed this year!

 

BRILLIANT!

Including Frenchy Tuscadero

[harmony]

Well, they are not down the full $5mill for Benintendi, but if it leads to Odorizzi, this is a clever move.

 

But if not, it was a definite low sell on Benintendi...

Instead of paying Andrew Benintendi $6.6 million this year the Red Sox will save $3 million by paying Benintendi $2.8 million and Franchy Cordero $800,000.

[moonslav59]

Instead of paying Andrew Benintendi $6.6 million this year the Red Sox will save $3 million by paying Benintendi $2.8 million and Franchy Cordero $800,000.

 

That's what we're paying Renfroe.

 

So, basically Renfroe, Cordero, Winckowski and 3 PTBNL for Beni.

[notin]

That's what we're paying Renfroe.

 

So, basically Renfroe, Cordero, Winckowski and 3 PTBNL for Beni.

 

The Sox only saved roughly $3mill, which is probably not enough to bring on Odorizzi. And they still need another outfielder...

[cp176]

So speaking as a fan (and not as a pretend GM), now that the RS have rid themselves of the majority of players I have watched and followed with interest over the past few years, why would I follow this team rather than any other one?

 

Im feeling pretty much like you are right now. I do think that I will watch them when Houck or Pivetta take the mound. if or when?

Cordero may produce or he may not but if someone simply says that winning will bring the lost fans back, I'm not so sure. Receiving 5 players for one is meaningless if none of the 5 standout maybe just a little bit. Stockpiling a whole bunch of minor league players has been tried. It really isn't much fun to watch.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Bogaerts and Vazquez are the only two fulltime position players left from the 2018 champs. Wonder what they're thinking this morning. Surely, it has nothing to do with contending or pretending in '21 -- at least not in Boston. More likely it's: Where will I be playing in the next year or two?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Thriller B's comprised the Red Sox best defensive outfield trio in the past 50 years. Benintendi, Betts, and Bradley were a joy to watch in leading the '16-18 defense to three straight first place crowns.

 

My board name honors the '75 Sox outfield, which featured five Gold Glovers on the roster. But judging by what better baseball men than me have said (mainly, the actual Seventies Sox, themselves): Betts > Evans, JBJ > Lynn, and without a doubt, Beni > Rice. Through their careers so far, the B's are all positive dWARs; Rice-Lynn-Evans were all negative dWARs.

 

However, the '75 postseason outfield -- when a rejuvenated Yaz replaced DLed Rice -- was the equal of the '18 postseason outfield. Both gave Red Sox fans unforgettable thrills.

[mvp 78]

Im feeling pretty much like you are right now. I do think that I will watch them when Houck or Pivetta take the mound. if or when?

Cordero may produce or he may not but if someone simply says that winning will bring the lost fans back, I'm not so sure. Receiving 5 players for one is meaningless if none of the 5 standout maybe just a little bit. Stockpiling a whole bunch of minor league players has been tried. It really isn't much fun to watch.

 

While I understand why they traded Beni, they are reaping what they sow. Sox traded away their best homegrown position player since Yaz or Williams because they were too cheap to pay him fair market value. They advertised the hell out of an outfield trio for years and now all three are gone. Fans have the right to be pissed.

[Thunder]

No more Win Dance Repeat. All 3 are gone now. It's a very sad day

[mvp 78]

Loooove this !!!! Why not Bring back Manny ? Lol people made fun at the Scooter Genette for second .Benny deserves better than this surely right ? Or is this a dump ? Does Cordero have options ? Maybe we get Puig or JBJ ?

 

It’s just dumping Beni. All along, we knew trading Beni was selling at his lowest value.

[mvp 78]

Are you freaking kidding Me ???? We had to supplement this ? This is criminal theft !! Yup Franchy without a doubt playing significant time for us .Lets hope this is Ortiz 2.0 except he’s what 27 ?

 

Ortiz was 27 his first year here.

[mvp 78]

Franchy Cordero highlights to dream on:

 

[mvp 78]

For people questioning the power, watch this:

 

https://youtu.be/_TTSnQHbCjQ

[oldtimer]

The Sox only saved roughly $3mill, which is probably not enough to bring on Odorizzi. And they still need another outfielder...

 

I believe the Sox felt that Beni was becoming an average defensive outfielder with a declining hit tool and meager power. They are moving forward and got what they could. There is a risk that they have this wrong, but if they were right, the move was necessary. JBJ is also probably gone, especially if he is looking for 4 years. The Sox may well believe they need to rebuild the outfield and have candidates in house. I don't think the Sox are being cheap but are being smart and building for the future.

[moonslav59]

The Sox only saved roughly $3mill, which is probably not enough to bring on Odorizzi. And they still need another outfielder...

 

Yes, Spotrac has us with $11M to spend. Even if we had enough, I seriously doubt Bloom would spend it all on one guy.

 

I think we sign Sawamuro & Pillar and head to opening day with about $5-6M to use at the deadline, if we choose to be buyers.

[moonslav59]

Bogaerts and Vazquez are the only two fulltime position players left from the 2018 champs. Wonder what they're thinking this morning. Surely, it has nothing to do with contending or pretending in '21 -- at least not in Boston. More likely it's: Where will I be playing in the next year or two?

 

Devers was pretty much FT. He started more games than Vaz and played in only 15 less games than Bogey.

 

Your point is well taken, though.

 

Here are the PA & IP leaders of the 2018 team:

 

PA

661 Beni

649 JD

614 Betts

580 Bogey

535 JBJ

502 Nunez

490 Devers

459 Moreland

367 Holt

288 Leon

269 Vaz

207 Swihart

195 HRam

165 Pearce

143 Kinsler

73 Lin, 38 Travis, 27 Philips, 13 Pedey

 

IP

191 Porcello

176 Price

158 Sale (will not be on opening day roster)

130 ERod

99 Johnson

85 Velazquez

74 Pomeranz

66 Kelly

62 Kimbrel

62 Barnes (last year of control)

60 Hembree

54 Eovaldi

54 Wright

41 Workman

34 Brasier

24 Thornburg

22 Poyner, 17 Cuevas, 15 Walden, 14 C Smith

 

WOW!

 

[Elktonnick]

Yes, Spotrac has us with $11M to spend. Even if we had enough, I seriously doubt Bloom would spend it all on one guy.

 

I think we sign Sawamuro & Pillar and head to opening day with about $5-6M to use at the deadline, if we choose to be buyers.

Bloom said this trade was to restock the pipeline. Bloom has proven to be the antithesis of Dombrowski thus far. He is doing exactly what he was hired to do and if memory serves me correctly what many on this board wanted I.e. rebuild the farm. I said that he is playing the long game.

 

Judging from the reporting out Liverpool UK.so are Henry and Werner who seem to be concentrating all of the efforts on building a super league of European Soccer clubs. I don't think building a contending Red Sox team in the short term is the first thing on their minds right now.

[moonslav59]

Bloom said this trade was to restock the pipeline. Bloom has proven to be the antithesis of Dombrowski thus far. He is doing exactly what he was hired to do and if memory serves me correctly what many on this board wanted I.e. rebuild the farm. I said that he is playing the long game.

 

Judging from the reporting out Liverpool UK.so are Henry and Werner who seem to be concentrating all of the efforts on building a super league of European Soccer clubs. I don't think building a contending Red Sox team in the short term is the first thing on their minds right now.

 

Well said.

 

Folks, this is what a rebuild ("cliff") looks like.

 

You look at players with 1-2 years of team control and decide if they will likely be part of your long term plan. If the answer is no, you listen to offers.

 

I happen to think Beni was going to bounce back, and maybe waiting for the deadline would have brought back more, assuming he was doing well, but that's a gamble Bloom did not take.

 

I'm not all that hopeful any of the players we get back for Beni, besides Cordero- who has 1 more year of control than Beni had, will amount to much, but the more quantity you have your chances of striking gold, or even silver or bronze, goes up.

Edited February 11, 2021 by moonslav59

[notin]

Well said.

 

Folks, this is what a rebuild ("cliff") looks like.

 

You look at players with 1-2 years of team control and decide if they will likely be part of your long term plan. If the answer is no, you listen to offers.

 

I happen to think Beni was going to bounce back, and maybe waiting for the deadline would have brought back more, assuming he was doing well, but that's a gamble Bloom did not take.

 

I'm not all that hopeful any of the players we get back for Beni, besides Cordero, will amount to much, but the more quantity you have your chances of striking gold, or even silver or bronze, goes up.

 

The big issue with this deal is Benintendi made himself expendable. Had he continued on his 2018 pace, he was more in line for an extension than being trade bait.

 

Cordero was always one of those guys scouts loved but was never able to put anything together, largely due to his frequent injuries. He's not the prospect Austin Meadows was with Pitt, but it's the same idea Bloom went after a guy that he should be capable of more than what he has done. Although Cordero is not as young as Meadows was when Bloom traded for him, but also had fewer at-bats...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well said.

 

Folks, this is what a rebuild ("cliff") looks like.

 

You look at players with 1-2 years of team control and decide if they will likely be part of your long term plan. If the answer is no, you listen to offers.

 

I happen to think Beni was going to bounce back, and maybe waiting for the deadline would have brought back more, assuming he was doing well, but that's a gamble Bloom did not take.

 

I'm not all that hopeful any of the players we get back for Beni, besides Cordero, will amount to much, but the more quantity you have your chances of striking gold, or even silver or bronze, goes up.

 

We're all grown-up (at least in age) enough to accept the rebuild. Just don't tell us we're going to contend while stripping down the roster. Cora probably doesn't like it, either, but at least he's got his job back.

 

But a competitive guy like Bogie in his prime? How long does he wait around? These players know a lot more about their professional landscape than we do, and they saw guys like Eddie Rosario and Marcell Ozuna available for months. Instead, the Sox are going into ST with exactly four projected starting position players that have been regulars over an entire 162-game season: X, Vaz, Devers and Renfroe (though he figures to be platooned, but we know Verdugo is a guaranteed a fulltimer).

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The big issue with this deal is Benintendi made himself expendable. Had he continued on his 2018 pace, he was more in line for an extension than being trade bait.

 

Cordero was always one of those guys scouts loved but was never able to put anything together, largely due to his frequent injuries. He's not the prospect Austin Meadows was with Pitt, but it's the same idea Bloom went after a guy that he should be capable of more than what he has done. Although Cordero is not as young as Meadows was when Bloom traded for him, but also had fewer at-bats...

 

Careful with the Tampa comps -- someone might yell at you: "But we're not the Rays!"

[moonslav59]

We're all grown-up (at least in age) enough to accept the rebuild. Just don't tell us we're going to contend while stripping down the roster. Cora probably doesn't like it, either, but at least he's got his job back.

 

But a competitive guy like Bogie in his prime? How long does he wait around? These players know a lot more about their professional landscape than we do, and they saw guys like Eddie Rosario and Marcell Ozuna available for months. Instead, the Sox are going into ST with exactly four projected starting position players that have been regulars over an entire 162-game season: X, Vaz, Devers and Renfroe (though he figures to be platooned, but we know Verdugo is a guaranteed a fulltimer).

 

The word "contend" is a bit relative.

 

I'm not sure anybody thought Beni was going to lead us to the wild card slot, but of course it is about more than just Beni.

 

I do still think we may make a serious push for the wild card, so does that mean we are "competitive" during the rebuild?

[moonslav59]

I've suggested dozens of trades involving Beni on the BTV site- several were 3 team deals that had one competitive team give prospects to the third team, while we give Beini to the playoff bound team and get some ML player from the other team- usually a CF'er, 2Bman or pitcher.

 

It seemed weird that Beni went to the Royals, and the playoff bound team, the Mets traded and received only prospects.

 

Also, am I in the minority for thinking Cordero was acquired to play CF? (His brief time there produced some pretty bad defensive metrics, but he seems to have the tools (speed) to be better there than having Renfroe in RF and Verdugo in CF.

 

Did we get him to just replace Beni in a LF platoon with Renfroe?

 

I'm thinking Renfroe's numbers vs RHPs (.717) may not be all that bad and could improve in Fenway and in his prime years.

 

[Nick]

Well said.

 

Folks, this is what a rebuild ("cliff") looks like.

 

You look at players with 1-2 years of team control and decide if they will likely be part of your long term plan. If the answer is no, you listen to offers.

 

I happen to think Beni was going to bounce back, and maybe waiting for the deadline would have brought back more, assuming he was doing well, but that's a gamble Bloom did not take.

 

I'm not all that hopeful any of the players we get back for Beni, besides Cordero- who has 1 more year of control than Beni had, will amount to much, but the more quantity you have your chances of striking gold, or even silver or bronze, goes up.

 

Well, I'm going to simplify the 3 team deal......in my mind, Red Sox essentially traded Beni for 2 year control of Japanese reliever Sawamura ($$ works out about right). Red Sox also received Cordero and three players to be named later. Bloom wanted additional security in the pen. Bloom also wanted no part of wasting at bats for fast aging Beni. Beni was not in our future plan.

[cp176]

While I understand why they traded Beni, they are reaping what they sow. Sox traded away their best homegrown position player since Yaz or Williams because they were too cheap to pay him fair market value. They advertised the hell out of an outfield trio for years and now all three are gone. Fans have the right to be pissed.

 

and all of a sudden the Red Sox franchise is broke. i'm a fan and yup I'm pissed but I'm not sure that anybody other than me really cares. I probably will stay tuned a bit but watching the way this "rebuild" is working to date, ain't working for me. Thankfully I have a very very talented little 9 year old playing some AAU baseball this season. That I will enjoy watching.

[moonslav59]

Well, I'm going to simplify the 3 team deal......in my mind, Red Sox essentially traded Beni for 2 year control of Japanese reliever Sawamura ($$ works out about right). Red Sox also received Cordero and three players to be named later. Bloom wanted additional security in the pen. Bloom also wanted no part of wasting at bats for fast aging Beni. Beni was not in our future plan.

 

No love for Winckowski?

 

The guy has a +0.3 value on BTV!

[moonslav59]

and all of a sudden the Red Sox franchise is broke. i'm a fan and yup I'm pissed but I'm not sure that anybody other than me really cares. I probably will stay tuned a bit but watching the way this "rebuild" is working to date, ain't working for me. Thankfully I have a very very talented little 9 year old playing some AAU baseball this season. That I will enjoy watching.

 

I know this feeling is not just about Beni, but to me, of all the players we have lost, Beni is one of the least of my worries.

[a700hitter]

Well, I'm going to simplify the 3 team deal......in my mind, Red Sox essentially traded Beni for 2 year control of Japanese reliever Sawamura ($$ works out about right). Red Sox also received Cordero and three players to be named later. Bloom wanted additional security in the pen. Bloom also wanted no part of wasting at bats for fast aging Beni. Beni was not in our future plan.

”A fast aging Benintendi”? He’s 26.

[notin]

”A fast aging Benintendi”? He’s 26.

 

And last year he looked like he was 62 at the plate.

 

I'm not a fan of this deal yet, and I seem to be one of the bigger fans of Cordero out here. But there are 3 PTBNL's to be accounted for and some extra budget space.

 

Not to mention, Benintedi has to actually bounce back to make it look even worse...

[dannycater]

If you're going to blow it up, blow it up....get rid of Boegarts, Devers, sell Sale, trade EROD. Hey, do it right.