Ottavino dealt to Sox

[mvp 78]

I hope he's lights out and they deal him at the deadline for some good prospects.

[notin]

I hope he's lights out and they deal him at the deadline for some good prospects.

 

I'd actually rather have him help the Sox play meaningful games in September/October.

 

The Sox farm system lacks any high upside "future All Star" players. But we do have a lot of guys who might be actual MLB players, either supplementary starters of bench players. Ottavino would bring back more of the latter and none of the former...

[moonslav59]

I'd actually rather have him help the Sox play meaningful games in September/October.

 

The Sox farm system lacks any high upside "future All Star" players. But we do have a lot of guys who might be actual MLB players, either supplementary starters of bench players. Ottavino would bring back more of the latter and none of the former...

 

Since he has only 1 year of team control- trading him at the deadline may be the best idea, even if we are in the race. Same with Richards, ERod, Barnes and maybe Eovaldi, JD and Vaz, too.

[notin]

Since he has only 1 year of team control- trading him at the deadline may be the best idea, even if we are in the race. Same with Richards, ERod, Barnes and maybe Eovaldi, JD and Vaz, too.

 

It's on the table for all the short timers.

 

But that can wait until the Sox are actually out of it.

 

I'd rather grab a couple more good players and try to get back in it.

[moonslav59]

It's on the table for all the short timers.

 

But that can wait until the Sox are actually out of it.

 

I'd rather grab a couple more good players and try to get back in it.

 

That could happen, too.

 

I think we'll have a pretty good sense of our chance by the deadline and act accordingly.

[notin]

That could happen, too.

 

I think we'll have a pretty good sense of our chance by the deadline and act accordingly.

 

I'm talking about grabbing them NOW.

[moonslav59]

I'm talking about grabbing them NOW.

 

I'm all for adding at least 2 more significant players before opening day- preferably a CF'er and a closer, but another SP'er couldn't hurt, either.

 

I do think the main prize is still 2022 and beyond- not 2021, and we should not so anything that hinders our chances or positioning in 2022.

 

I'm not sure how important staying under the tax line is for our longer term outlook. It seems like gaining one more year of lower taxes will allow for more spending down the road, but adding a bunch of one year players and trading them for prospects at the deadline could help much more than tax savings, and who know, maybe a miracle happens and we actually put everything together and make a strong run at 2021, however unlikely those chances look, right now..

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm all for adding at least 2 more significant players before opening day- preferably a CF'er and a closer, but another SP'er couldn't hurt, either.

 

I do think the main prize is still 2022 and beyond- not 2021, and we should not so anything that hinders our chances or positioning in 2022.

 

I'm not sure how important staying under the tax line is for our longer term outlook. It seems like gaining one more year of lower taxes will allow for more spending down the road, but adding a bunch of one year players and trading them for prospects at the deadline could help much more than tax savings, and who know, maybe a miracle happens and we actually put everything together and make a strong run at 2021, however unlikely those chances look, right now..

 

Agree that we should get them NOW. Salaries may never be lower -- assuming there's not another pandemic and that most baseball fans survive this one; also, who knows what the new CBA will bring... maybe tax penalties that favor more free agent signings.

 

Even if the Sox suck this year, adding guys like Odorizzi to the depth of our injury-prone rotation can't hurt our chances in '22 or '23 -- unless he does...

[mvp 78]

Even if the Sox suck this year, adding guys like Odorizzi to the depth of our injury-prone rotation can't hurt our chances in '22 or '23 -- unless he does...

How can guys that won't be on the roster in 22 hurt 22's roster?

[Nick]

Agree that we should get them NOW. Salaries may never be lower -- assuming there's not another pandemic and that most baseball fans survive this one; also, who knows what the new CBA will bring... maybe tax penalties that favor more free agent signings.

 

Even if the Sox suck this year, adding guys like Odorizzi to the depth of our injury-prone rotation can't hurt our chances in '22 or '23 -- unless he does...

 

I'm good with signiing Odorizzi with the thought that E Rod will not return next year. But it still has to be reasonable. It can't be a long term deal with tons of $$$$.

[Monster24]

Guerin Austin let go- more money for Ozuna or JBJ?

[Bellhorn04]

I'm good with signiing Odorizzi with the thought that E Rod will not return next year. But it still has to be reasonable. It can't be a long term deal with tons of $$$$.

 

FWIW Odorizzi is projected at 3 * $15 mill or thereabouts.

[mvp 78]

Guerin Austin let go- more money for Ozuna or JBJ?

 

It's going to be Jahmai 24/7.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

FWIW Odorizzi is projected at 3 * $15 mill or thereabouts.

 

How many Red Sox fans have a problem with supporting a franchise that pays a player market value so their team can have a better chance to win.

[notin]

How can guys that won't be on the roster in 22 hurt 22's roster?

 

By beating us up while wearing another uniform?

[notin]

Guerin Austin let go- more money for Ozuna or JBJ?

 

 

Yeah, those NESN expenses were killing the Sox on the luxury tax...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Guerin Austin let go- more money for Ozuna or JBJ?

 

Was it Henry that said he didn't want to make the same mistake like when they lost Heidi? Or will a presser be held, waxing nostalgic being a young fan of Brigitte Bardot...

[Nick]

FWIW Odorizzi is projected at 3 * $15 mill or thereabouts.

 

I think that may be very reasonable....especially not knowing how expensive E Rod extension will cost....we also potentially have a one year deal for Richards. I just didn't want to get to 5 year $100M. I just don't want to pay out $36M per year as the Yankees did for Cole, not to mention $26M for Stanton. They also have some expensive youngsters coming up. Yankees also have set a high bar for themselves. Nothing short of World Championship matters.

 

Sox needs to pick a future major leaguer with their 4th pick! Lets not do another Trey Ball.

Edited January 26, 2021 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

How many Red Sox fans have a problem with supporting a franchise that pays a player market value so their team can have a better chance to win.

 

Don't understand the question.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Don't understand the question.

 

I put a period at the end, declarative statement. Odorizzi for three years is an investment for both improving the now, and also helping stabilize the future.

 

Problem is, he may be waiting for Bauer to sign, thus driving up his price as the next best thing for bidders who miss out on Trevor. Second problem for those who think the Sox should wait another year before spending more: there may not be any free agent starting pitchers next winter better than Jake's combined age (30) and pedigree (All-Star in '19).

[Bellhorn04]

I put a period at the end, declarative statement. Odorizzi for three years is an investment for both improving the now, and also helping stabilize the future.

 

Problem is, he may be waiting for Bauer to sign, thus driving up his price as the next best thing for bidders who miss out on Trevor. Second problem for those who think the Sox should wait another year before spending more: there may not be any free agent starting pitchers next winter better than Jake's combined age (30) and pedigree (All-Star in '19).

 

I'm certainly in favor of it. Seems a little doubtful now though with only $8 mill or so under the threshold.

[notin]

I'm certainly in favor of it. Seems a little doubtful now though with only $8 mill or so under the threshold.

 

F the threshold!!

[moonslav59]

If we just go a few million over the threshold, the tax won't be much, but down the road, the 2nd and 3rd year triggers could get costly, if we end up spending big next winter or the one after.

[TylerD]

Also, if the Sox aren't a lock for the playoffs, who cares if he comes up small in big moments? There won't be any!

 

Lol, a sad and yet very realistic comment.

[Bellhorn04]

If we just go a few million over the threshold, the tax won't be much, but down the road, the 2nd and 3rd year triggers could get costly, if we end up spending big next winter or the one after.

 

They really need a new tax system that doesn't have such a severe escalation in the penalties in Year 3. Reduce the penalties or make it a 5 year system or something.

[notin]

They really need a new tax system that doesn't have such a severe escalation in the penalties in Year 3. Reduce the penalties or make it a 5 year system or something.

 

Or at least be more creative. Mayve for the penalties the GM has to:

 

First year over, spend the night locked in an empty corn bin.

 

Second year, you are forced to watch all the "Twilight" movies in a row with your eyes propped open like Alex in "Clockwork Orange"

 

Third year, pickle brine bath!! For 3 hours!!

 

Fourth year, you have to shave an angry black bear.

 

And then fifth and final year, you have to get Bud Selig's name tattooed on your forehead.

 

 

I think these need to be in the new CBA, and anyone who goes through them needs to have it live-streamed. Except the second year offenders. No "Twilight" live-streaming please...

[moonslav59]

They really need a new tax system that doesn't have such a severe escalation in the penalties in Year 3. Reduce the penalties or make it a 5 year system or something.

 

I think spending large for 3 straight years should be discouraged. Maybe the multiplying factor should be adjusted by how much you actually go over in year 1 and 2.

 

Going over by $1M year 1 should not trigger the same tax rate year 3 as going over by $25M.

[notin]

I think spending large for 3 straight years should be discouraged. Maybe the multiplying factor should be adjusted by how much you actually go over in year 1 and 2.

 

Going over by $1M year 1 should not trigger the same tax rate year 3 as going over by $25M.

 

Make the tax rate equal to the amount a team is over.

 

If you're $5mill over, you pay 5% of the overage (or $250K). If you're $45mill over, you pay 45% (or $20,250,000)...

[Bellhorn04]

I think spending large for 3 straight years should be discouraged. Maybe the multiplying factor should be adjusted by how much you actually go over in year 1 and 2.

 

Going over by $1M year 1 should not trigger the same tax rate year 3 as going over by $25M.

 

Agreed. It needs to be fine-tuned. This business of teams scrambling to get under in Year 3 gets old in a hurry.

[notin]

Agreed. It needs to be fine-tuned. This business of teams scrambling to get under in Year 3 gets old in a hurry.

 

There should be no escalating penalties. Either you're over or you're not.