This team is a total Yawn both on the field and off from top to bottom the Redsox

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

CHB forgets a lot of those 90's Sox teams and the empty stadiums when Nomar first started playing.

 

So we just need to wait for Nick Yorke to hit like Nomar, Triston Casas to turn into Mo Vaughn, and then trade for Luis Castillo -- after he wins the NL Cy Young.

[notin]

Sox have mentioned that they are willing to move Verdugo to CF.

 

They're bluffing. They also once said they would move Pedroia to SS...

[mvp 78]

They're bluffing. They also once said they would move Pedroia to SS...

 

Verdugo could actually play CF though. Pedroia would bounce his throws from that side of the infield.

[mvp 78]

So we just need to wait for Nick Yorke to hit like Nomar, Triston Casas to turn into Mo Vaughn, and then trade for Luis Castillo -- after he wins the NL Cy Young.

 

Reds won't trade him until after 2022.

[notin]

Verdugo could actually play CF though. Pedroia would bounce his throws from that side of the infield.

 

Pedroia won the Golden Spikes Award playing on that side of the infield. College diamond is the same size...

[mvp 78]

Pedroia won the Golden Spikes Award playing on that side of the infield. College diamond is the same size...

 

Beni won it too. Wasn't for his D.

[mvp 78]

Pedroia won the Golden Spikes Award playing on that side of the infield. College diamond is the same size...

 

Also, FAKE NEWS ALERT:

 

Pedroia didn't win the award, he was just a finalist.

 

Other finalists:

Jered Weaver - winner

Wade Townsend

Huston Street

Stephen Head

 

Both Townsend and Head had unremarkable careers (problems with the conversion from college to pro diamonds?).

Edited January 4, 2021 by mvp 78

[harmony]

Also, FAKE NEWS ALERT:

 

Pedroia didn't win the award, he was just a finalist.

 

Other finalists:

Jered Weaver - winner

Wade Townsend

Huston Street

Stephen Head

 

Both Townsend and Head had unremarkable careers (problems with the conversion from college to pro diamonds?).

Still some familiar names on the Golden Spikes list:

 

https://www.usabaseball.com/golden-spikes-award/history/winners

[notin]

Also, FAKE NEWS ALERT:

 

Pedroia didn't win the award, he was just a finalist.

 

Other finalists:

Jered Weaver - winner

Wade Townsend

Huston Street

Stephen Head

 

Both Townsend and Head had unremarkable careers (problems with the conversion from college to pro diamonds?).

 

OK.

 

But none of that changes that he clearly played SS in college and can make the throw.

 

Was he moved off SS because they did not like his defense there? Because the Sox had another very enticing SS prospect in Hanley Ramirez? Both?

 

I am not sure. But the facts are 1) the Sox did make that statement in the 2009-2010 offseason during the "Revolving Door at Shortstop" period in team history, 2) he did play SS in college and was good enough to be a finalist for the Golden Spikes and also steal a startig role at the position away from the incumbent Ian Kinsler, and 3) other lesser defenders at 2B such as David Eckstein and Michael Young were both moved to SS, so it would not even have been unprecedented.

 

Now, whether or not Pedroia would have excelled at the position or even played it competently? That's another matter...

[mvp 78]

@jonmorosi

Source: Free agent Corey Kluber will throw for

@MLB

teams on January 13 in Florida. The #RedSox are among the teams with interest.

@MLBNetwork

[kenmeister]

@jonmorosi

Source: Free agent Corey Kluber will throw for

@MLB

teams on January 13 in Florida. The #RedSox are among the teams with interest.

@MLBNetwork

 

As they should be. He can join the Ramon Martinez & Brett Saberhagen reclamation projects club. The announcers made it sound like every time Saberhagen pitched for us his arm might literally fall off.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

As they should be. He can join the Ramon Martinez & Brett Saberhagen reclamation projects club. The announcers made it sound like every time Saberhagen pitched for us his arm might literally fall off.

 

Sabes was probably our number two starter in Pedro's first two years here. But John Smoltz -- I think his arm did fall off... on either the plane trip to Boston or buttoning his Red Sox jersey the first day.

[Thunder]

@jonmorosi

Source: Free agent Corey Kluber will throw for

@MLB

teams on January 13 in Florida. The #RedSox are among the teams with interest.

@MLBNetwork

 

I've been high on this guy for a long time. I have family in Akron who are big Cleveland Baseball Team fans and they idolized him for years. I would love to have him, even if he's half the guy he used to be. Still better than 3/5 of our rotation - when healthy

[moonslav59]

Could we add Smoltz to that club?

 

We've gotten a lot of prime pitchers for their twilight years...

 

Juan Marichal

Ferguson Jenkins

Tom Seaver

David Cone

Curt Schilling

Brett Saberhagen

David Wells

John Burkett

Mike Torrez

John Smoltz

Tim Wakefield (Prime & Twilight)

Luis Tiant (2nd prime)

Frank Viola

Bartolo Colon

 

Next Tier:

Danny Darwin

Dennis Lamp

Mark Portugal

Ryan Dempster

Paul Byrd

 

[Bellhorn04]

Dennis Eckersley

[moonslav59]

Dennis Eckersley

 

I had forgotten about getting him back for his final year.

[dannycater]

Always wanted to see a bowling game between Burkett and Mookie

[a700hitter]

We've gotten a lot of prime pitchers for their twilight years...

 

Juan Marichal

Ferguson Jenkins

Tom Seaver

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

David Cone

Curt Schilling

Brett Saberhagen

David Wells

John Burkett

Mike Torrez

John Smoltz

Tim Wakefield (Prime & Twilight)

Luis Tiant (2nd prime)

Frank Viola

Bartolo Colon

 

Next Tier:

Danny Darwin

Dennis Lamp

Mark Portugal

Ryan Dempster

Paul Byrd

 

Lefty Grove

[a700hitter]

Dizzy Trout

[a700hitter]

Gary Bell

[a700hitter]

Juan Pizarro

Gary Peters

Bob Veale

[notin]

Lefty Grove

 

Lefty Grove did win 4 ERA titles while on the Red Sox...

[moonslav59]

Lefty Grove did win 4 ERA titles while on the Red Sox...

 

Yes, and he joined the team at age 34 and finished his career with BOS at 41.

[notin]

Yes, and he joined the team at age 34 and finished his career with BOS at 41.

 

OK but I don't think his Red Sox stint is comparable to pitchers who did join the team in the twilight of their careers like Tom Seaver, whose best days were far behind him. Grove was still a monster on the mound and gave the Sox 1539 IP with an ERA+ of 143.

 

Might as well include Cy Young, who also pitched for the Sox from ages 34 to 41. And gave them 2728 IP with an ERA+ of 147 in that time frame.

[mvp 78]

OK but I don't think his Red Sox stint is comparable to pitchers who did join the team in the twilight of their careers like Tom Seaver, whose best days were far behind him. Grove was still a monster on the mound and gave the Sox 1539 IP with an ERA+ of 143.

 

Might as well include Cy Young, who also pitched for the Sox from ages 34 to 41. And gave them 2728 IP with an ERA+ of 147 in that time frame.

 

Don't sign pitchers older than 30!

[moonslav59]

OK but I don't think his Red Sox stint is comparable to pitchers who did join the team in the twilight of their careers like Tom Seaver, whose best days were far behind him. Grove was still a monster on the mound and gave the Sox 1539 IP with an ERA+ of 143.

 

Might as well include Cy Young, who also pitched for the Sox from ages 34 to 41. And gave them 2728 IP with an ERA+ of 147 in that time frame.

 

True. He wasn't acquired in his twilight, even though 34 years old is "twilight" for some pitchers.

 

I wouldn't say his decline from 2.06 to 2.86 to 3.20 before joining the Sox signaled "twilight." (He did start his career in Boston with a 6.50 ERA in just 12 GS'd.

[notin]

Don't sign pitchers older than 30!

 

Well, not for 7 years,

 

David Price was a guy the Sox were willing to pay heavily for in his twilight years...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, and he joined the team at age 34 and finished his career with BOS at 41.

 

But 34 in '34 was like being 64 today (I would've said 44, but now they're saying 60 is the new 40). McCartney's pushing 80 -- we still need him, but he can still feed himself.

[moonslav59]

My dad turns 94 in July, God willing, and he has more energy than I do!

[notin]

But 34 in '34 was like being 64 today (I would've said 44, but now they're saying 60 is the new 40). McCartney's pushing 80 -- we still need him, but he can still feed himself.

 

When they say 60 is the new 40, what they mean is at that that age, you still have 25 years to go until retirement..