2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[moonslav59]

Funny you say this .DD loves JD .Im thinking eat 5 mill send JD for number 10 Prospect Erik Miller

 

JD's value is -$22M.

 

Nice try.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I didn't know Chrinos had TJ, but if healthy, he and Yarbrough would easily be in the Sox rotation, if this deal were done.

 

You are vastly over-rating Vaz or under-rating Glasnow. (BTW, Lowe was just traded to the Rangers.)

 

The Trade Value site has Galsnow at a value of 73 and Vaz at 21. We don't have 3 Vaz's to give for him.

 

My guess is the Rays would say no to Vaz for Kiermaier, Yarbrough & Fairbanks.

 

 

Crap .I really liked Lowe for us .Thats a hell of a difference in value .Guess you got me but I’m not trading Vaz for a small return .

Edited December 11, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Swiharts Ghost]

JD's value is -$22M.

 

Nice try.

 

 

Never stopped dealing DD .Missed ya bud .I think it’s Trade time Moon .Team has to get out in front of this .Very Hopeful this year .

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I didn't know Chrinos had TJ, but if healthy, he and Yarbrough would easily be in the Sox rotation, if this deal were done.

 

You are vastly over-rating Vaz or under-rating Glasnow. (BTW, Lowe was just traded to the Rangers.)

 

The Trade Value site has Galsnow at a value of 73 and Vaz at 21. We don't have 3 Vaz's to give for him.

 

My guess is the Rays would say no to Vaz for Kiermaier, Yarbrough & Fairbanks.

 

 

I think he meant Brandon Lowe (rhymes with Owww) for second; but I don't see even the Rays dumping their regular-season WAR leader from a pennant year, at age 25, after an All-Star season at age 24.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I think he meant Brandon Lowe (rhymes with Owww) for second; but I don't see even the Rays dumping their regular-season WAR leader from a pennant year, at age 25, after an All-Star season at age 24.

 

That’s the guy Thankyou .Love that kid Wonder what it would take ? Help a brother .

Edited December 11, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[notin]

I want Lowe for second and atleast Glasnow for Vaz .No disrespect Moon but Vaz needs to get a big return .i need pitching and Lowe .

 

Why not just ask for Ronald Acuna and Max Fried?

[notin]

I think he meant Brandon Lowe (rhymes with Owww) for second; but I don't see even the Rays dumping their regular-season WAR leader from a pennant year, at age 25, after an All-Star season at age 24.

 

Maybe he meant Josh Lowe aka Nate’s brother? He’s an infielder in the Tampa org, too.

 

The Rays are still loaded with that name even after dealing Nate...

[moonslav59]

Crap .I really liked Lowe for us .Thats a hell of a difference in value .Guess you got me but I’m not trading Vaz for a small return .

 

It's not a small return.

 

We get a very good defensive CF'er who has a career OPS of about 10 lower than JBJ's.

 

Ryan Yarbrough is 28 years old and has a career ERA of 3.94 with a 1.15 WHIP. With Sale out, those numbers make him close to our ace- not that I'd call him that.

 

Pete Fairbanks would fill a much needed slot in our pen as a solid #2. He has a career K/9 of 12.7. Yes, he walks too many people, but the 7.8 H/9 is decent.

 

(Maybe we could get Baz, instead of one of these pitchers, but he's far away from the bigs.)

 

Vaz is good- no doubt, but his handling of the pitching staff is suspect, at best. His offense is erratic.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

Maybe he meant Josh Lowe aka Nate’s brother? He’s an infielder in the Tampa org, too.

 

The Rays are still loaded with that name even after dealing Nate...

 

Kinda love me some Vaz it’s Brandon .Look what we got back for Mookie ? Sorry Brandon is no Mookie let’s not pretend Brandon Lowe would take a ton more than Vaz a couple prospects not named Jeter .

[moonslav59]

I think he meant Brandon Lowe (rhymes with Owww) for second; but I don't see even the Rays dumping their regular-season WAR leader from a pennant year, at age 25, after an All-Star season at age 24.

 

Galsnow & LOwwww straight up for Vaz... LOL!

[moonslav59]

Kinda love me some Vaz it’s Brandon .Look what we got back for Mookie ? Sorry Brandon is no Mookie let’s not pretend Brandon Lowe would take a ton more than Vaz a couple prospects not named Jeter .

 

Vaz is no Mookie, either.

 

What you are suggesting TB give us back is almost more than what LA gave us for Betts.

[harmony]

Crap .I really liked Lowe for us .Thats a hell of a difference in value .Guess you got me but I’m not trading Vaz for a small return .

Baseball Trade Values accepts a trade of Christian Vazquez for outfielder/thirdbaseman Josh Lowe (a former No. 13 pick) and one-time Red Sox lefthander Jalen Beeks, who is expected to miss the 2021 season after undergoing Tommy John surgery.

 

Keep expectations Lowe in a Vazquez trade.

 

A Tampa Bay Times columnist discusses Kevin Kiermaier as a trade candidate:

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/12/08/like-it-or-not-the-time-might-be-right-for-rays-to-trade-kevin-kiermaier/

[Swiharts Ghost]

It's not a small return.

 

We get a very good defensive CF'er who has a career OPS of about 10 lower than JBJ's.

 

Ryan Yarbrough is 28 years old and has a career ERA of 3.94 with a 1.15 WHIP. With Sale out, those numbers make him close to our ace- not that I'd call him that.

 

Pete Fairbanks would fill a much needed slot in our pen as a solid #2. He has a career K/9 of 12.7. Yes, he walks too many people, but the 7.8 H/9 is decent.

 

(Maybe we could get Baz, instead of one of these pitchers, but he's far away from the bigs.)

 

Vaz is good- no doubt, but his handling of the pitching staff is suspect, at best. His offense is erratic.

 

Like your return it’s sensible.I guess I’m inammerd abit .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Baseball Trade Values accepts a trade of Christian Vazquez for outfielder/thirdbaseman Josh Lowe (a former No. 13 pick) and one-time Red Sox lefthander Jalen Beeks, who is expected to miss the 2021 season after undergoing Tommy John surgery.

 

Keep expectations Lowe in a Vazquez trade.

 

A Tampa Bay Times columnist discusses Kevin Kiermaier as a trade candidate:

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/12/08/like-it-or-not-the-time-might-be-right-for-rays-to-trade-kevin-kiermaier/

 

 

I just can’t do it for Kevin .Nice player just can’t give up Vaz .Why not just keep JBJ ? I don’t get it .Im of thought we need a player like Brandon Lowe .Or let’s gamble on a guy like Scooter Genette where’s the talk about Tuner at third for us ? He and Verdugo would Make a great leap for team chemistry? Isn’t it time to move Devers over ? I need some movement by Bloom so bored by this team last couple years .

Edited December 11, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

Baseball Trade Values accepts a trade of Christian Vazquez for outfielder/thirdbaseman Josh Lowe (a former No. 13 pick) and one-time Red Sox lefthander Jalen Beeks, who is expected to miss the 2021 season after undergoing Tommy John surgery.

 

Keep expectations Lowe in a Vazquez trade.

 

A Tampa Bay Times columnist discusses Kevin Kiermaier as a trade candidate:

 

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2020/12/08/like-it-or-not-the-time-might-be-right-for-rays-to-trade-kevin-kiermaier/

 

This trade was accepted, too:

 

Vaz & Chavis

 

for

 

Nick Anderson, Ryan Yarbrough & Kevin Kiermaier

[moonslav59]

The site also accepted...

 

Vaz for Nick, Anderson, Kevin Kiermaier & Josh Fleming

[Swiharts Ghost]

Galsnow & LOwwww straight up for Vaz... LOL!

 

 

I know I’m a homer lol my opinion of Vaz is that of the 2nd best C in MLB my opinion of Brandon and Glasnow is I want them without giving up the farm .I wouldn’t trade Thad Ward for Lowe strait up lol

[moonslav59]

I just can’t do it for Kevin .Nice player just can’t give up Vaz .Why not just keep JBJ ? I don’t get it .Im of thought we need a player like Brandon Lowe .Or let’s gamble on a guy like Scooter Genette where’s the talk about Tuner at third for us ? He and Verdugo would Make a great leap for team chemistry? Isn’t it time to move Devers over ? I need some movement by Bloom so bored by this team last couple years .

 

We can't just wish for Brandon Lowe, and poof, the Rays give us him and Glasnow for Vaz.

 

The trade value site has these values:

 

73.5 Glasnow

71.1 B Lowe

21.0 Vaz

 

 

To get Lowe, we'd have to give up, assuming the Rays agree,

 

26.4 Downs

22.2 Casas

21.0 Vaz

1.5 Taylor

 

or

 

50.8 Verdugo

21.0 Vaz

 

or

 

34.4 Devers

21.0 Vaz

12.1 Duran

3.7 Groome

 

Let's be real.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

The site also accepted...

 

Vaz for Nick, Anderson, Kevin Kiermaier & Josh Fleming

 

 

Moon who catches man ? It’s kinda important ? I hope we won’t leave that to the guy backing up Vaz ? I guess we could use Suzuki as a stop gap on the cheap ? Decent game caller and good bat for Fenway .

[moonslav59]

I know I’m a homer lol my opinion of Vaz is that of the 2nd best C in MLB my opinion of Brandon and Glasnow is I want them without giving up the farm .I wouldn’t trade Thad Ward for Lowe strait up lol

 

You'll never get Lowe, then.

 

Your suggested deals would be laughed at in fantasy baseball. They are miles and miles away from reality in MLB.

[Swiharts Ghost]

You'll never get Lowe, then.

 

Your suggested deals would be laughed at in fantasy baseball. They are miles and miles away from reality in MLB.

 

Yeah I’m in my own fantasy world I guess.Moon we just traded Mookie Betts for Verdugo Downs Wong .....your telling me Brandon Is worth the same as Mookie Betts ?.Not saying I don’t believe you ! I just don’t see Brandon Lowe in this rare air or Glasnow .I would maybe do a Vaz and Ward for Lowe but I’d be apprehensive lol

[moonslav59]

Moon who catches man ? It’s kinda important ? I hope we won’t leave that to the guy backing up Vaz ? I guess we could use Suzuki as a stop gap on the cheap ? Decent game caller and good bat for Fenway .

 

He's not a decent game-caller. Leon and previous Sox catchers got more from the same pitchers as Vaz did.

 

Who catches?

 

We sign or trade for someone. The trades I suggested fill 2-3 of the slots we'd have had to spend big money on to fill well, so we'd have resources left over to get a catcher who actually gets the most out of our staff.

 

Some of the deals I suggested on the trade site involve a 3rd team and bring us a surplus catcher from their roster.

 

We need pitching, badly. We ain't signing Bauer. We ain't trading the world for Glasnow.

 

I know catchers are hard to find, but Vaz is not the second best catcher in MLB.

 

1. He has more than 345 PAs in a season just once.

2. His career OPS is .701. It's .727 the last 3 seasons. That's good for a catcher, but not great.

3. He does have the third best catcher fWAR since 2018 at 5.1, but Grandal & Realmuto have more than twice that. There were 19 catchers with an fWAR between 3 and 5.1. He's no stand alone great catcher.

4. I could go back and show the evidence of how nearly every starting pitcher did better with Leon and other Sox catchers than with Vaz. Some by 1.00 to 2.00 better ERAs! That's a huge value worth way more than catcher offense.

 

[moonslav59]

Yeah I’m in my own fantasy world I guess.Moon we just traded Mookie Betts for Verdugo Downs Wong .....your telling me Brandon Is worth the same as Mookie Betts ?.Not saying I don’t believe you ! I just don’t see Brandon Lowe in this rare air or Glasnow .I would maybe do a Vaz and Ward for Lowe but I’d be apprehensive lol

 

You are forgetting one major factor: Betts had one year left of team control at $28M. Lowe has this left on his deal:

'21 $2.5M

'22 $4M

'23 $8.75M

'24 $10.5M

'25 $11.5M

 

That's $37M for 5 years and a $4M luxury tax hit. That's less than what Vaz's is!

 

Also, Vaz has 2 years of team control.

 

Years of team control are extremely valuable, especially when the contracts are set at a very low cost- like Lowe's is.

[moonslav59]

Yeah I’m in my own fantasy world I guess.Moon we just traded Mookie Betts for Verdugo Downs Wong .....your telling me Brandon Is worth the same as Mookie Betts ?.Not saying I don’t believe you ! I just don’t see Brandon Lowe in this rare air or Glasnow .I would maybe do a Vaz and Ward for Lowe but I’d be apprehensive lol

 

Brandon Lowe has an extremely high value because of his 5 years of team control at about $5.5M per year and this for his 2019-2020 line:

 

.270 31 88 in just 489 ABs

 

Project to 162 games and it's 37 HRs and 104 RBI for a 2Bman!

 

.876 OPS 2019-2020. He's just 26. 5 years of the prime of prime.

 

Vaz has 2 years on the tail end of prime and has a .727 OPS the last 3 years.

 

Ward may never make MLB, unless he gets his control issues fixed.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

As per usual, 3 Yankee farmhands selected in the Rule V. The Yanks end up middling every season in the farm system ranking yet routinely have the most players selected

[mvp 78]

Sox sign Puello to MILB deal.

[oldtimer]

We can't just wish for Brandon Lowe, and poof, the Rays give us him and Glasnow for Vaz.

 

The trade value site has these values:

 

73.5 Glasnow

71.1 B Lowe

21.0 Vaz

 

 

To get Lowe, we'd have to give up, assuming the Rays agree,

 

26.4 Downs

22.2 Casas

21.0 Vaz

1.5 Taylor

 

or

 

50.8 Verdugo

21.0 Vaz

 

or

 

34.4 Devers

21.0 Vaz

12.1 Duran

3.7 Groome

 

Let's be real.

 

 

I wouldn't destroy what's left of our team by making any of those trades.

[mvp 78]

Who knew that DD would be the "big one to drop"!

 

What's up next for the other DD, Dan Duquette?

[mvp 78]

https://www.overthemonster.com/2020/12/11/22166800/boston-red-sox-offseason-preview-kirby-yates-free-agent

 

"After being selected off waivers by the San Diego Padres in 2017, Yates has been one of baseball’s most consistent relievers. He’s great at keeping the ball in the park, strikes out a ton of batters, and limits walks. In 2019, not only were his both ERA and FIP below 1.40, but he was among the top two in home runs allowed per 9 innings, top five in strikeouts per nine, and top 15 in walks per nine. He finished second in all of baseball in fWAR (and first in the National League) among relievers that year. On top of all that, both his ERA and walk rate have improved in each of his 3 full years with the Padres.

 

One of the main reasons for Yates’ production with the Padres is the development of his splitter. Not coincidentally, he introduced this splitter when that breakout first happened in 2017, and has had immense success using it. Since its introduction, opposing hitters have never recorded a batting average above .165 against the pitch."

 

I'd take almost any professional reliever at this point. The further away we get from the 2020 bullpen, the worse it smells.

[notin]

Yeah I’m in my own fantasy world I guess.Moon we just traded Mookie Betts for Verdugo Downs Wong .....your telling me Brandon Is worth the same as Mookie Betts ?.Not saying I don’t believe you ! I just don’t see Brandon Lowe in this rare air or Glasnow .I would maybe do a Vaz and Ward for Lowe but I’d be apprehensive lol

 

Well, not exactly apples to apples.

 

The Sox traded one year of Betts and the rights to pay him $25million for Verdugo, Downs and Wong. Brandon Lowe has 4 years of control and has yet to reach arbitration; he is still making league minimum. These are important factors...

Edited December 11, 2020 by notin
Wong, not Ward...