Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

[Bellhorn04]

And Robinson Cano is currently suspended.

 

Those deals have nevr been good deals.

 

Taking it a step further, I’m pretty sure the only contracts that were 7 years or longer that actually worked out were the ones given to Manny Ramirez and Max Scherzer. I might be forgetting one or two, but the bulk of them have flopped at some point.

 

Jeter. That's 3.

[mvp 78]

As good as Mookie is, 10 year + contracts are flat out nuts.

 

-Mookie has already missed time this year for no less than 3 different injuries. Not much time altogether, but maybe those injuries are affecting him at the plate.

-Trout is on the shelf for a while. Who knows if this is the start of long-term injury issues for him?

-Lindor currently boasts an OPS of .565.

 

One of these players is not like the others.

[mvp 78]

Jeter. That's 3.

 

ARod

[moonslav59]

And Robinson Cano is currently suspended.

 

Those deals have nevr been good deals.

 

Taking it a step further, I’m pretty sure the only contracts that were 7 years or longer that actually worked out were the ones given to Manny Ramirez and Max Scherzer. I might be forgetting one or two, but the bulk of them have flopped at some point.

 

Kershaw's was a good 7 year deal, but he wasnt a FA (neither was Betts when extended.)

 

A-Rod's first deal looked pretty good.

 

Votto's is not all that bad.

 

Some like the Jeter deal from 2001-2010, despite him being the worst defensive SS in my lifetime.

 

Verlander's 7 year deal was good. Tanaka's, too.

 

The vast majority were bad. My guess is the majority were horrible.

[Hugh2]

If we decide to trade any star players at the deadline this year, can we please do it to a contender who doesn't have money? that way we have a chance to bring them back in FA.

[moonslav59]

If we decide to trade any star players at the deadline this year, can we please do it to a contender who doesn't have money? that way we have a chance to bring them back in FA.

 

I'm not all that sure I want us outbidding everyone for ERod.

 

I really like Barnes, but we all know how RP'ers are streaky, and it wasn't long ago, nobody, and I mean absolutely nobody wanted Barnes even close to being our closer.

 

The other free-agent-to-be's are:

 

Ottavino

 

Marwin

 

Santana

 

We have team options on Richards, Vaz, Perez and Andriese.

[mvp 78]

Just to get back to the point:

 

MOOKIE WAS TRADED BECAUSE THE SOX DIDN'T WANT TO PAY AN EXTRA 60M OVER 2 YEARS. THEY WERE FINE, BUT WOULD NOT CROSS THE THRESHOLD OF 10/300.

[moonslav59]

Just to get back to the point:

 

MOOKIE WAS TRADED BECAUSE THE SOX DIDN'T WANT TO PAY AN EXTRA 60M OVER 2 YEARS. THEY WERE FINE, BUT WOULD NOT CROSS THE THRESHOLD OF 10/300.

 

That's basically it, as far as we know.

 

The Sox, over the last 2 decades, have done a remarkable job projecting the future value of their own players at or right before they reach free agency.

 

I was on the front seat of the sign Betts bandwagon, but I trust Bloom & Co. crunched the numbers and did the right thing, or at worst it wasn't a bad choice made.

[Bellhorn04]

Just to get back to the point:

 

MOOKIE WAS TRADED BECAUSE THE SOX DIDN'T WANT TO PAY AN EXTRA 60M OVER 2 YEARS. THEY WERE FINE, BUT WOULD NOT CROSS THE THRESHOLD OF 10/300.

 

As far as we know, Mookie wanted 420 mill from the Sox. Maybe if he had come back and said 12/365 would be fine, they would have done it.

[moonslav59]

As far as we know, Mookie wanted 420 mill from the Sox. Maybe if he had come back and said 12/365 would be fine, they would have done it.

 

Or, they comeback with $350/14 or $340/12.

[Bellhorn04]

Or, they comeback with $350/14 or $340/12.

 

The 420 mill stopped them in their tracks for some reason. It's like they interpreted it as a message that Mookie wanted to either go to free agency or to be paid more than they wanted to pay.

[Hugh2]

I have no real way of backing this up, but my guess is the Sox would have had to offer Betts the same deal LA did to convince him NOT to go to FA. Because it was looking like Mookie was going to FA here too.

[Bellhorn04]

I have no real way of backing this up, but my guess is the Sox would have had to offer Betts the same deal LA did to convince him NOT to go to FA. Because it was looking like Mookie was going to FA here too.

 

The puzzling thing is that what Mookie actually agreed to was a present value of 307 mill for 12 years.

[moonslav59]

The 420 mill stopped them in their tracks for some reason. It's like they interpreted it as a message that Mookie wanted to either go to free agency or to be paid more than they wanted to pay.

 

I don't get that, though.

 

You usually think, "what's the middle point," between $300/10 and $420/12?

 

Maybe $360/11?

 

Counter with somewhere between that and your first offer. That's Negotiations 101.

[mvp 78]

I don't get that, though.

 

You usually think, "what's the middle point," between $300/10 and $420/12?

 

Maybe $360/11?

 

Counter with somewhere between that and your first offer. That's Negotiations 101.

 

^^^

[notin]

ARod

 

He was released towards the end of his deal...

[Hugh2]

I don't get that, though.

 

You usually think, "what's the middle point," between $300/10 and $420/12?

 

Maybe $360/11?

 

Counter with somewhere between that and your first offer. That's Negotiations 101.

 

The problem there is it's not a true negotiation in a sense. You only have 1 team bidding on you, if a player is set on getting paid market rate then he likely has a number in mind that if a team does not meet that he's likely going to FA.

 

Who knows what Mookie would have signed for to stay in Boston, but I think it's reasonable to say it would have been around the same number it took LA to prevent him from going to FA.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't get that, though.

 

You usually think, "what's the middle point," between $300/10 and $420/12?

 

Maybe $360/11?

 

Counter with somewhere between that and your first offer. That's Negotiations 101.

 

Yes, we all know that. In this case I assume they didn't want to go that high. Maybe their ceiling was $325 or $330.

[mvp 78]

He was released towards the end of his deal...

 

The first deal was good.

 

Though people around here talk about Price's deal being worth it for a banner. Without the ARod deal, the Yankees don't have a banner for 20 years.

[mvp 78]

Yes, we all know that. In this case I assume they didn't want to go that high. Maybe their ceiling was $325 or $330.

 

But didn't counter a nickle.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I just hearing John Henry say, "We need to find out if Mookie wants to spend the rest of his career in Boston."

 

For some reason (and posters feel free to hammer away at me) I always wondered if that statement had to do with more than -- gasp -- just money.

[moonslav59]

The problem there is it's not a true negotiation in a sense. You only have 1 team bidding on you, if a player is set on getting paid market rate then he likely has a number in mind that if a team does not meet that he's likely going to FA.

 

Who knows what Mookie would have signed for to stay in Boston, but I think it's reasonable to say it would have been around the same number it took LA to prevent him from going to FA.

 

Even if you just come back with $320M/10 or even $320/11, it's something. It may look insulting, but I'd rather see that than nothing.

 

Besides, who ever gives their top offer on their first one?

[Bellhorn04]

Even if you just come back with $320M/10 or even $320/11, it's something. It may look insulting, but I'd rather see that than nothing.

 

Besides, who ever gives their top offer on their first one?

 

Countering 320 to an ask of 420 was arguably a waste of time.

 

It's quite possible, of course, that Henry got pissed off by Mookie's ask, and said 'Let's talk to Sale and Bogaerts'.

[Kimmi]

Dodgers can afford to carry him both financially and baseball wise. I rather build a team around Devers than Betts. Mostly due to age and power. If we must have a $30M position player, it's Devers. He'll only be 26 (?) when he turns free agent.

 

I would much rather have Verdugo at $650K than Mookie at $30M.

 

Much.

[Kimmi]

As good as Mookie is, 10 year + contracts are flat out nuts.

 

-Mookie has already missed time this year for no less than 3 different injuries. Not much time altogether, but maybe those injuries are affecting him at the plate.

-Trout is on the shelf for a while. Who knows if this is the start of long-term injury issues for him?

-Lindor currently boasts an OPS of .565.

 

100%

 

It's tough to lose players like Mookie, but IMO, you have to let them walk.

[Nick]

100%

 

It's tough to lose players like Mookie, but IMO, you have to let them walk.

 

Yep on Betts...

 

Trout is one superstar in a horrible position. Because of his contract, Angels can't get plethora of help elsewhere. It's kind of sad, yeah I know he makes tons of money. He's playing for money. His team has no chance to make the playoffs.

 

How was your day today, honey? We suck. I'm not having any fun.

 

I can't even remember the second baseman that went to play for Seattle for big contract. How did that workout? Is he relevant at all today?

Edited May 28, 2021 by Nick

[Nick]

Here you go Kimmi

 

PLAYERS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS 2021 Tax Payroll

 

M. Betts 40 162 26 40 15 0 5 17 25 30 5 2 .247 .359 .432 .792 $30, 416, 667 28 years old $365M commitment

 

Verdugo 46 171 31 50 8 1 6 20 15 23 3 0 .292 .353 .456 .809 $ 649,500 25 years old

 

Price $15,000,000 Red Sox picking up $16,000,000

Edited May 28, 2021 by Nick

[Larry Cook]

Dodgers can afford to carry him both financially and baseball wise. I rather build a team around Devers than Betts. Mostly due to age and power. If we must have a $30M position player, it's Devers. He'll only be 26 (?) when he turns free agent.

 

I agree 100 percent. Bogey and devers are the cornerstones and hopefully we get back to having a productive farm system that can fill in the holes, (Although hang’em Chaim has found some decent fairly low cost free agents to help.)

[Bellhorn04]

Here you go Kimmi

 

PLAYERS G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO SB CS BA OBP SLG OPS 2021 Tax Payroll

 

M. Betts 40 162 26 40 15 0 5 17 25 30 5 2 .247 .359 .432 .792 $30, 416, 667 28 years old $365M commitment

 

Verdugo 46 171 31 50 8 1 6 20 15 23 3 0 .292 .353 .456 .809 $ 649,500 25 years old

 

Price $15,000,000 Red Sox picking up $16,000,000

 

For some reason Cot's shows Mookie's AAV as the full $30.42 million AAV with no adjustment for deferred money, but Spotrac shows it as $25.55 million with the adjustment.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers/payroll/

[Nick]

For some reason Cot's shows Mookie's AAV as the full $30.42 million AAV with no adjustment for deferred money, but Spotrac shows it as $25.55 million with the adjustment.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-dodgers/payroll/

 

Yeah, I thought his contract was structured much like Sale's.