Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

[oldtimer]

I have watched Duran a lot and I am concerned about his hit tool.

 

You aren't concerned about Santana?

[moonslav59]

You aren't concerned about Santana?

 

It's not Santana vs Duran.

[Larry Cook]

You aren't concerned about Santana?

 

I have no problem if hang’em Chaim dfa’s Santana and brings up ort!

[moonslav59]

I have no problem if hang’em Chaim dfa’s Santana and brings up ort!

 

Just DFA Santana. That's the start.

[notin]

It's not Santana vs Duran.

 

 

Plus the double standard of counting seats when we like the player.

 

Santana had a 1.372 OPS in Worcester. DFA him!!

Cordero has a 1.172 OPS in Worcester. He was no good in Boston!!

Duran has a 1.006 OPS in Worcester. Future star!!!

[oldtimer]

It's not Santana vs Duran.

 

It's an example. Duran is being judged based on an ideal whereas the Sox have roster players who are far from ideal.

[oldtimer]

Plus the double standard of counting seats when we like the player.

 

Santana had a 1.372 OPS in Worcester. DFA him!!

Cordero has a 1.172 OPS in Worcester. He was no good in Boston!!

Duran has a 1.006 OPS in Worcester. Future star!!!

 

Lets keep all our prospects in Worcester and continue to play guys that don't get it done. Yeah.

[Bellhorn04]

Lets keep all our prospects in Worcester and continue to play guys that don't get it done. Yeah.

 

The point is that guys who look like bums in the majors look like stars in Worcester.

 

If they call up Duran and he stinks his first week, how much patience do you think Sox fans will have with him?

 

That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer is zero.

[mvp 78]

The point is that guys who look like bums in the majors look like stars in Worcester.

 

If they call up Duran and he stinks his first week, how much patience do you think Sox fans will have with him?

 

That's a rhetorical question. We all know the answer is zero.

 

I disagree. Dalbec has been given much more leeway than Cordero. I think that's a function of his age and that Sox fans believe he can get better. They looked at Codero and thought he'll always stink.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Plus the double standard of counting seats when we like the player.

 

Santana had a 1.372 OPS in Worcester. DFA him!!

Cordero has a 1.172 OPS in Worcester. He was no good in Boston!!

Duran has a 1.006 OPS in Worcester. Future star!!!

 

I don't mind the Sox trying any of these guys, but Duran needs to play every day, no matter what level he's at.

 

I watched that Woo game that Duran won on a walk-off HR. The Pigs walked Cordero intentionally to get to Duran. Yes, it set up the DP with the automatic runner on second, but they didn't want to face Cordero -- Duran isn't a groundball hitter, but he had Ked three times... Still, gotta like him driving the ball oppo to win it.

 

History has seen young prospects get called up to the bigs and improve with hot starts, while others fall cold. There's more pressure and tougher competition, but many factors also favor performance: better travel conditions, meal money, training facilities, playing field/lights resulting in better rest, nutrition, conditioning and conditions. Seeing more strikes to hit with (hopefully) better umps can also help... or hurt.

 

Duran has 12 homers in 30 games. At that pace, if they leave him in Triple A the whole season he'll hit 50 HRs. At what point will he be deemed ready for Boston? He's 24, seven years older than Bob Feller was when he was striking out major leaguers.

[notin]

I don't mind the Sox trying any of these guys, but Duran needs to play every day, no matter what level he's at.

 

I watched that Woo game that Duran won on a walk-off HR. The Pigs walked Cordero intentionally to get to Duran. Yes, it set up the DP with the automatic runner on second, but they didn't want to face Cordero -- Duran isn't a groundball hitter, but he had Ked three times... Still, gotta like him driving the ball oppo to win it.

 

History has seen young prospects get called up to the bigs and improve with hot starts, while others fall cold. There's more pressure and tougher competition, but many factors also favor performance: better travel conditions, meal money, training facilities, playing field/lights resulting in better rest, nutrition, conditioning and conditions. Seeing more strikes to hit with (hopefully) better umps can also help... or hurt.

 

Duran has 12 homers in 30 games. At that pace, if they leave him in Triple A the whole season he'll hit 50 HRs. At what point will he be deemed ready for Boston? He's 24, seven years older than Bob Feller was when he was striking out major leaguers.

 

I don't think Bob Feller is the benchmark for player development.

 

Duran will get a shot at some point this year, but so far he has yet to do anything franchy Cordero has not done in the minors either, And Cordero did not dazzle. Not to mention, Duran's minor league career prior to 2021 was not exactly a stellar one. He wasn't Vlad Guerrero or Mike Trout down there shredding every level. He has had a good stretch of 40 or so games, and one that is heavily supported by excelling in the same stadium that make Danny Santana look like Babe Ruth...

[notin]

I disagree. Dalbec has been given much more leeway than Cordero. I think that's a function of his age and that Sox fans believe he can get better. They looked at Codero and thought he'll always stink.

 

Which leaves the question - does Dalbec deserve more leeway than Cordero?

 

Cordero is only 9 months older, but is already considered washed up by many Sox fans...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Which leaves the question - does Dalbec deserve more leeway than Cordero?

 

Cordero is only 9 months older, but is already considered washed up by many Sox fans...

 

Fans have nothing to do with Cordero's pro status. Several franchises have tried to tap his potential but it has yet to translate at the big league level. Cordero is still highly regarded among his peers for his talents... and feared; in the Woo bench-clearer last week, everyone avoided Franchy. Instead, he was the peace-keeper, calming intervening between hotheads, who cooled immediately upon his presence.

[Bellhorn04]

Which leaves the question - does Dalbec deserve more leeway than Cordero?

 

Cordero is only 9 months older, but is already considered washed up by many Sox fans...

 

I don't consider Cordero washed up.

 

But I think the team has handled both him and Dalbec properly.

[notin]

I don't consider Cordero washed up.

 

But I think the team has handled both him and Dalbec properly.

 

Fair enough.

 

Of the two, I actually have more faith in Cordero long term But neither of these guys looks like a guy any team should anchor themselves to...

[mvp 78]

Which leaves the question - does Dalbec deserve more leeway than Cordero?

 

Cordero is only 9 months older, but is already considered washed up by many Sox fans...

 

I think Cordero, solely due to his injury history, needed to start in AAA just for the reps. Unfortunately, the AAA season didn't start until May this year. Franchy probably has a higher ceiling than Dalbec.

 

Should Dalbec deserve more leeway? No. He's played well the past week or so, but he has a streaky profile just because of the swing and miss in his game. If they thought Chavis would be an upgrade over Dalbec, Dalbec would be in AAA. I think we're stuck with Dalbec at 1b until Casas is ready because none of the other 1b guys can hit right now (Santana, Chavis, Marwin).

[notin]

I think Cordero, solely due to his injury history, needed to start in AAA just for the reps. Unfortunately, the AAA season didn't start until May this year. Franchy probably has a higher ceiling than Dalbec.

 

Should Dalbec deserve more leeway? No. He's played well the past week or so, but he has a streaky profile just because of the swing and miss in his game. If they thought Chavis would be an upgrade over Dalbec, Dalbec would be in AAA. I think we're stuck with Dalbec at 1b until Casas is ready because none of the other 1b guys can hit right now (Santana, Chavis, Marwin).

 

Or until August 1, after we re-acquire Mitchie Two-Bags….

[moonslav59]

I don't mind the Sox trying any of these guys, but Duran needs to play every day, no matter what level he's at.

 

I watched that Woo game that Duran won on a walk-off HR. The Pigs walked Cordero intentionally to get to Duran. Yes, it set up the DP with the automatic runner on second, but they didn't want to face Cordero -- Duran isn't a groundball hitter, but he had Ked three times... Still, gotta like him driving the ball oppo to win it.

 

History has seen young prospects get called up to the bigs and improve with hot starts, while others fall cold. There's more pressure and tougher competition, but many factors also favor performance: better travel conditions, meal money, training facilities, playing field/lights resulting in better rest, nutrition, conditioning and conditions. Seeing more strikes to hit with (hopefully) better umps can also help... or hurt.

 

Duran has 12 homers in 30 games. At that pace, if they leave him in Triple A the whole season he'll hit 50 HRs. At what point will he be deemed ready for Boston? He's 24, seven years older than Bob Feller was when he was striking out major leaguers.

 

I'm pretty sure Bloom & Co. rate Duran as pretty close to being "ML ready." There is a slim chance they don't.

 

It's not just about age. Had Duran always played CF, and had the same batting approach for years, he might already have been called up. We don't know all the reasons. Maybe, it's his mental make-up, and they think he's too "fragile" to risk the pressure of failing at the ML level out of the gate.

 

Maybe they see something good about Santana and think he deserves a little more time.

 

I'm sure glad they did not give up on Renfroe after April and Dalbec after April & May.

[moonslav59]

The Cordero-Dalbec comp is an interesting one.

 

I think we'll see Cordero again, maybe very soon (DFA Santana?).

 

Dalbec has been hot for 2+ weeks, and is our hottest hitter, right now.

[mvp 78]

I'm pretty sure Bloom & Co. rate Duran as pretty close to being "ML ready." There is a slim chance they don't.

 

It's not just about age. Had Duran always played CF, and had the same batting approach for years, he might already have been called up. We don't know all the reasons. Maybe, it's his mental make-up, and they think he's too "fragile" to risk the pressure of failing at the ML level out of the gate.

 

Maybe they see something good about Santana and think he deserves a little more time.

 

I'm sure glad they did not give up on Renfroe after April and Dalbec after April & May.

 

If they thought he was fragile, they wouldn't have sent him to the Olympic qualifiers. Too much pressure!

[mvp 78]

The Cordero-Dalbec comp is an interesting one.

 

I think we'll see Cordero again, maybe very soon (DFA Santana?).

 

Dalbec has been hot for 2+ weeks, and is our hottest hitter, right now.

 

I'd DFA Santana for sure. I think Marwin is only sticking around due to his glove.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think Marwin is only sticking around due to his glove.

 

... which, on this Red Sox defense, is worth more than a lot of bats. The D, as currently constructed, will be more of a detriment to postseason chances than a lack of sticky stuff.

[moonslav59]

If they thought he was fragile, they wouldn't have sent him to the Olympic qualifiers. Too much pressure!

 

I doubt that. Maybe it was a way to test how he handles pressure. I doubt anyone really knows for sure how to project how a player reacts to high pressure situations.

[notin]

I'd DFA Santana for sure. I think Marwin is only sticking around due to his glove.

 

Plus they have to pay Marwin more if they DFA him…

[moonslav59]

... which, on this Red Sox defense, is worth more than a lot of bats. The D, as currently constructed, will be more of a detriment to postseason chances than a lack of sticky stuff.

 

Marwin sure has gotten a lot of PAs.

Edited June 21, 2021 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

I think Cordero, solely due to his injury history, needed to start in AAA just for the reps. Unfortunately, the AAA season didn't start until May this year. Franchy probably has a higher ceiling than Dalbec.

 

Should Dalbec deserve more leeway? No. He's played well the past week or so, but he has a streaky profile just because of the swing and miss in his game. If they thought Chavis would be an upgrade over Dalbec, Dalbec would be in AAA. I think we're stuck with Dalbec at 1b until Casas is ready because none of the other 1b guys can hit right now (Santana, Chavis, Marwin).

 

But they've also been working with Dalbec on his swing and it seems to have yielded some positive results.

[Bellhorn04]

Dalbec has now played about half a full season in the bigs.

 

He has 17 HR and a .482 SLG.

 

Isn't that a guy you're willing to give some rope?

[mvp 78]

Dalbec has now played about half a full season in the bigs.

 

He has 17 HR and a .482 SLG.

 

Isn't that a guy you're willing to give some rope?

 

959 OPS last season. 705 OPS this season. Not sure I want to give him the rope though.

 

It's similar to Chavis who played out of his mind when he first came up. Once the book got around, his performance suffered.

[mvp 78]

But they've also been working with Dalbec on his swing and it seems to have yielded some positive results.

 

I'm not saying dump Dalbec. Just that he doesn't deserve extra leeway than Franchy. Maybe Franchy deserves a call up?

[moonslav59]

959 OPS last season. 705 OPS this season. Not sure I want to give him the rope though.

 

It's similar to Chavis who played out of his mind when he first came up. Once the book got around, his performance suffered.

 

Dalbec has better minor league numbers than Chavis and has been hot for 23 weeks. His “rope” has been lengthened.

 

I also think Cordero is close to deserving a second long look-see.