Will The MLB Suspend The 2020 season

[mvp 78]

Presumed sports fans who claim they do not want sports to resume are a complete mystery to me.

 

Anyone who listens to Felgie is a mystery to me. That show blows.

[Elktonnick]

Anyone who listens to Felgie is a mystery to me. That show blows.

The question isn't that Felger sucks or whether Massaroti sucks because they both do. The question is why do they still have a show? Listening to them is painful.

[Kimmi]

Sox cut pay to all employees making over 50k.

 

Damn those players making the billionaire owners do that!!!!

 

Stop. What are you even talking about?

[Kimmi]

Will you be telling people to stop who say the players should just keep quiet?

 

Then I would have to tell myself to stop, and why would I do that?

[Kimmi]

I know. Shortened season? New rules? Weird playoff format?

 

Count me in. It’s stil baseball.

 

Except the 3 batter minimum rule, which is stupid and only in consideration for pace and TV considerations...

 

Any baseball is better than no baseball.

 

And yay for the 3 batter minimum rule!

[Bellhorn04]

Then I would have to tell myself to stop, and why would I do that?

 

Kimmi, this issue is where you get to show your political and combative side - fun, isn't it?

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, this issue is where you get to show your political and combative side - fun, isn't it?

 

LOL I didn't realize I was showing my political side by thinking that players and owners should not be so greedy. How is that so?

[Bellhorn04]

LOL I didn't realize I was showing my political side by thinking that players and owners should not be so greedy. How is that so?

 

The part about 'the players should shut up' is a little on the political side.

[Kimmi]

The part about 'the players should shut up' is a little on the political side.

 

My bad. There was no political intent whatsoever.

[Kimmi]

The part about 'the players should shut up' is a little on the political side.

 

I'm guessing if someone doesn't agree with another's stance, then it's political?

[notin]

Per Passan, this one is on the owners. He wrote about how a partial season with no gate could represent a huge financial loss for many owners, and they’d just assume there be no season instead....

[Bellhorn04]

I'm guessing if someone doesn't agree with another's stance, then it's political?

 

I don't think that should be the case.

 

But the situation with MLB players and owners rises to the level of a political issue, because it's a conflict of power and money that a lot of people have a stake in.

[notin]

I don't think that should be the case.

 

But the situation with MLB players and owners rises to the level of a political issue, because it's a conflict of power and money that a lot of people have a stake in.

 

Our stake is minimal at best.

 

The politics of baseball boil down to maybe a thousand people angrily fighting over how to divide up several billion dollars....

[a700hitter]

It doesn’t matter whose side you take in this. People just want to see baseball. If it doesn’t happen because of $, people will find other things to do and other interests to pursue and many will be pissed off and mad. And when they restart baseball in 2021 after all major sports have restarted, the sport’s popularity will take a major hit. And it will not matter who was at fault.

[Bellhorn04]

Our stake is minimal at best.

 

The politics of baseball boil down to maybe a thousand people angrily fighting over how to divide up several billion dollars....

 

Minimal? You need to refresh yourself on the meaning of 'stakeholder'.

 

Our stake is huge. We're the customers, who collectively fund the whole damn thing...

[jad]

You're right--it finally won't matter who is at fault. What I don't understand is why the owners have adopted such an overtly combative stance. Why not issue a bunch of banal statements (however insincere!) "We all want the same thing--to play baseball" (then negotiate quietly for some way to make that happen-- e.g., the way the NBA seems to do). How can a business operate that defines its employees, not as partners, but as the enemy, who needs to be defeated? Perhaps this is because sports franchises remain 'hobbies' of the super-rich, not 'businesses' in the ordinary sense.

[Elktonnick]

Minimal? You need to refresh yourself on the meaning of 'stakeholder'.

 

Our stake is huge. We're the customers, who collectively fund the whole damn thing...

I heard a couple ex major leaguers discussing the issue on MLB radio. They are of the opinion that one of problems inhibiting both sides is the upcoming CBA negotiations. Instead of trying to resolve the problem at hand, the parties are posturing over future negotiations on the CBA. In any event, there is a growing concern if both parties don' t achieve some compromise it could set back MLB for a generation if not permanently.

[Bellhorn04]

You're right--it finally won't matter who is at fault. What I don't understand is why the owners have adopted such an overtly combative stance. Why not issue a bunch of banal statements (however insincere!) "We all want the same thing--to play baseball" (then negotiate quietly for some way to make that happen-- e.g., the way the NBA seems to do). How can a business operate that defines its employees, not as partners, but as the enemy, who needs to be defeated? Perhaps this is because sports franchises remain 'hobbies' of the super-rich, not 'businesses' in the ordinary sense.

 

I don't see a big difference between this and some of the battles between management and labor in other businesses.

[Bellhorn04]

I heard a couple ex major leaguers discussing the issue on MLB radio. They are of the opinion that one of problems inhibiting both sides is the upcoming CBA negotiations. Instead of trying to resolve the problem at hand, the parties are posturing over future negotiations on the CBA.

 

Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Republicans and Democrats using Covid-19 for other purposes.

[dgalehouse]

You're right--it finally won't matter who is at fault. What I don't understand is why the owners have adopted such an overtly combative stance. Why not issue a bunch of banal statements (however insincere!) "We all want the same thing--to play baseball" (then negotiate quietly for some way to make that happen-- e.g., the way the NBA seems to do). How can a business operate that defines its employees, not as partners, but as the enemy, who needs to be defeated? Perhaps this is because sports franchises remain 'hobbies' of the super-rich, not 'businesses' in the ordinary sense.

 

I don't see the logic in that . If they were " hobbies of the super rich " , they wouldn't care so much about the bottom line profits . This situation shows that they truly are businesses. And businesses do sometimes have labor problems........... And the problems will get a lot worse for both the owners and the players if more and more fans lose interest.

[notin]

Minimal? You need to refresh yourself on the meaning of 'stakeholder'.

 

Our stake is huge. We're the customers, who collectively fund the whole damn thing...

 

But what is the return?

 

We get entertainment. We get no share of the main assets they are arguing over....

[Bellhorn04]

But what is the return?

 

We get entertainment. We get no share of the main assets they are arguing over....

 

I know, but the entertainment factor is why the thing exists in the first place. It's our need for entertainment that underlies all the billions.

[notin]

I know, but the entertainment factor is why the thing exists in the first place. It's our need for entertainment that underlies all the billions.

 

We fund it, but the politics of baseball involve all the in-fighting of dividing up our funding. And like I said, it’s maybe 1,000 or so people who can’t agree on how to divide up several billion dollars. That’s the frustrating part.

 

As for our stake being minimal, however they resolve really doesn’t impact us. We only need a resolution one way or the other...

[Elktonnick]

We fund it, but the politics of baseball involve all the in-fighting of dividing up our funding. And like I said, it’s maybe 1,000 or so people who can’t agree on how to divide up several billion dollars. That’s the frustrating part.

 

As for our stake being minimal, however they resolve really doesn’t impact us. We only need a resolution one way or the other...

 

What has me truly concerned is that both parties will fail to reach an agreement. If that happens baseball will suffer immeasurably.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sounds familiar, doesn't it? Republicans and Democrats using Covid-19 for other purposes.

 

Come on, it's really just those journalists, scientists and medical experts all over the world... and kids who hate school.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I know, but the entertainment factor is why the thing exists in the first place. It's our need for entertainment that underlies all the billions.

 

If the MLB continues to kill itself, there will still be baseball. We eventually might see a possible return of teams in minor league towns and cities the MLB is trying to eliminate (similar to the "Battered Bastards" on Netflix). Would true fans of the game pay less to watch live, pretty good baseball in their own towns? If the hot dogs and beer prices are reasonable...

[a700hitter]

I know, but the entertainment factor is why the thing exists in the first place. It's our need for entertainment that underlies all the billions.

That’s right and if we find other entertainment, they are screwed. You are right that the consumers are the biggest stakeholder, because we do fund the whole thing and if they lose sight of the consumer they will be shooting themselves.

[Kimmi]

I don't think that should be the case.

 

But the situation with MLB players and owners rises to the level of a political issue, because it's a conflict of power and money that a lot of people have a stake in.

 

Well, if you think it is political, I will no longer post about it.

 

Hmmmm. Maybe that was your goal. LOL

[jacksonianmarch]

With all that is going on in the world, we need baseball. The players and the owners need to come up with something that they can both agree on quickly and get the f*** back to work

[oldtimer]

Well, if you think it is political, I will no longer post about it.

 

Hmmmm. Maybe that was your goal. LOL

 

Major league baseball is a business with multi-millionaire players, obnoxious agents and multi-billionaire owners. They argue over who gets what share of the proceeds but seem to overlook the fans. They do that at their own peril, as I for one would accept the loss of this season to the virus pandemic and let MLBB return as best it can next year. If the owners and players take a hit financially, they would have it themselves to blame. I play softball year round and can get my kicks that way. Its more real anyway.