Will The MLB Suspend The 2020 season

[mvp 78]

Like I said your disregard for history is interesting. I guess you don't believe in learning from past mistakes.

 

Would you like to tell me how if everyone in 1918 wore masks that the Spanish Flu would not have been so bad? It seems like you also have a substantial disregard for history.

[Elktonnick]

Would you like to tell me how if everyone in 1918 wore masks that the Spanish Flu would not have been so bad? It seems like you also have a substantial disregard for history.

 

My grandmother died from the Spanish flu in 1919, thank you for reminding me of that painful moment in my father's life

[Kimmi]

Anyway, here's Kevin Pillar's thoughts on the situation:

 

65% of players in the MLB make a million dollars or less.. just room for thought

 

Not a for sure thing you get two consecutive years, can be shuttled between minors/majors. Also their is a thing called tax, federal and every state you play in. Agency fees, plus living expenses. Guys work their whole life for that opportunity

 

players have a shelf life whether they like it or not. Owners do not. Players are what saved America once, and we can do it again. Fair is fair

 

Its about honor a contract that players committed to. I’m held responsible for rent in Boston because I signed a contract. A global pandemic didn’t get me out of writing a check every month despite not being there

 

No we are all privileged, don’t assume any risk, all live the lifestyle of the rich and famous, and don’t work hard. Minor league players have it made, especially this year when teams are deciding not to pay them.Everything just feel in our lap.. praise the lord #Sarcasm

 

Please don’t considering me flying around the country, interacting with many people everyday, and just wanting to come home to my wife and kids praying the don’t get sick. No risk on my end. Or just don’t see my family &explain to my 2 year old baseball and work is more important

 

No risk cause we teleport to the field everyday.

 

I don’t live in a bubble. I know how tough and how hard people work to survive. I have hard working parents, brother, friends and in laws. I get how fortunate I am to play baseball for a living bit I also know how much I’ve sacrificed and how much work I’ve put in to reaching...

 

As I'm reading this, all I can hear is waaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa!

 

Most of the working class people, and probably all of the people who lost their livelihoods during this pandemic, don't want to hear any millionaire complaining about money from the comfort of his or her luxury home. The front line workers don't want to hear about the 'sacrifices' that these guys have had to made.

 

Here's the thing. If the players are that afraid of risking their lives by playing, they don't have to play. They'll still be able to eat, feed their families, and pay their bills. Most people don't have that luxury. If the offer is that upsetting to you, then don't play.

 

If they're that unhappy with the offer from the owners, that's their right. But shut the heck up about it on social media and with the press. And shame on the owners for fighting this out in the media as well.

[Kimmi]

And he's getting a ton of s*** online from entitled fans saying "you play a kids game" which is the dumbest argument of all time. They play a kids game that millions of people watch and spend a ton of money on. It's entertainment. Nobody calls for television actors to be paid less. Nobody calls for musicians to be paid less. It's no different. The players are much more like you and me. The owners are not.

 

Are television actors and musicians whining about not getting paid enough money during this pandemic?

[Kimmi]

I love baseball. I miss not having NESN. I just want it back in any capacity, even a reduced schedule or weird playoff structure. I think it would be good for the national psyche and great for the game overall. If the first major professional sporting event is a football game, it'll be another nail in the coffin for MLB.

 

This I can agree with.

[Kimmi]

And their careers are insanely short in the majority of cases. The average career length in one study is 5.6 years (so, not enough time for the big money-making free agency). And 20% of the position players play less then one year....

 

Oddly enough, the players that I hear complaining are the multimillionaires. I have a lot more compassion for the guys 'only' making $560K.

 

As I've said many times, take the money and pay the employees that are being furloughed. Or donate it to charity. That would make me happy.

[Kimmi]

I respet Snell's decision. He isn't coming from a place of entitlement.

 

This can be a very serious illness, and a player actually infected might be asymptomatic and notice no difference. But he also might experience serious lug damage, enough that he is no longer capable of playing at the required level.

 

Snell doesn't so much need the money,as he has a lot guaranteed over the next 3 seasons. But maybe he prefers not risking actually being able to play...

 

Not buying it.

[jad]

And he's getting a ton of s*** online from entitled fans saying "you play a kids game" which is the dumbest argument of all time. They play a kids game that millions of people watch and spend a ton of money on. It's entertainment. Nobody calls for television actors to be paid less. Nobody calls for musicians to be paid less. It's no different. The players are much more like you and me. The owners are not.

 

As I'm reading this, all I can hear is waaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa!

 

Most of the working class people, and probably all of the people who lost their livelihoods during this pandemic, don't want to hear any millionaire complaining about money from the comfort of his or her luxury home. The front line workers don't want to hear about the 'sacrifices' that these guys have had to made.

 

Here's the thing. If the players are that afraid of risking their lives by playing, they don't have to play. They'll still be able to eat, feed their families, and pay their bills. Most people don't have that luxury. If the offer is that upsetting to you, then don't play.

 

If they're that unhappy with the offer from the owners, that's their right. But shut the heck up about it on social media and with the press. And shame on the owners for fighting this out in the media as well.

 

The owners are the ones who started this, by setting forth publicly the types of offers they knew perfectly well the players would never accept. They then compounded that by setting up another offer obviously designed to pit players against one another (greater salary cuts for higher paid players). I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree entirely with the points reported in Scott Boras's email to his players: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29234956/agent-scott-boras-tells-clients-not-bail-baseball-owners

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The owners are the ones who started this, by setting forth publicly the types of offers they knew perfectly well the players would never accept. They then compounded that by setting up another offer obviously designed to pit players against one another (greater salary cuts for higher paid players). I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree entirely with the points reported in Scott Boras's email to his players: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29234956/agent-scott-boras-tells-clients-not-bail-baseball-owners

 

The owners know exactly what they're doing, setting the stage for the more important battle of a new CBA in another year. Owners know they can turn the public against "greedy players who get paid to play a kid's game". Few fans aspire to be billionaire businessmen, but most think they can swing a stick.

[Bellhorn04]

As I'm reading this, all I can hear is waaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa!

 

Most of the working class people, and probably all of the people who lost their livelihoods during this pandemic, don't want to hear any millionaire complaining about money from the comfort of his or her luxury home. The front line workers don't want to hear about the 'sacrifices' that these guys have had to made.

 

I think you're being a little rough on Pillar. I think he has some valid points.

 

Pillar has never had anything more than a one-year contract. Guys like him have zero job security. Now he's 31 years old. Yes, he's accumulated gross salaries of about $11 million in his career - prior to whatever he gets paid for this year. But this could be it for him.

 

I think part of his point is that being a professional baseball player is not a lucrative, easy life for the majority.

[S5Dewey]

I agree that it's not an easy life for the players but being paid millions of dollars to do it takes a lot of the sting out of it.

 

However, I have to agree with Kimmie. If, say, Michael Chavis had said what Pillar said I'd have to agree with him. When Kevin Pillar who has made $11MM over nine years says it it doesn't ring quite as true.

 

A legitimate question is why the ones who are expressing their frustration are the 35% of the players who make over $1MM while the other 65% are remaining relatively quiet? Could it be as Jerry Maguire said, "Follow the money"?

[mvp 78]

I agree that it's not an easy life for the players but being paid millions of dollars to do it takes a lot of the sting out of it.

 

The vast majority of players don't make millions of dollars. The average MLB career is 1.5 years.

[mvp 78]

As I'm reading this, all I can hear is waaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa!

 

Most of the working class people, and probably all of the people who lost their livelihoods during this pandemic, don't want to hear any millionaire complaining about money from the comfort of his or her luxury home. The front line workers don't want to hear about the 'sacrifices' that these guys have had to made.

 

Here's the thing. If the players are that afraid of risking their lives by playing, they don't have to play. They'll still be able to eat, feed their families, and pay their bills. Most people don't have that luxury. If the offer is that upsetting to you, then don't play.

 

If they're that unhappy with the offer from the owners, that's their right. But shut the heck up about it on social media and with the press. And shame on the owners for fighting this out in the media as well.

 

And yet you're siding with the owners who are whining that they are not going to make enough money this year. The owners who are contracting MiLB.

 

I believe the players care far more about "the game" and its future than the owners do.

[Bellhorn04]

A legitimate question is why the ones who are expressing their frustration are the 35% of the players who make over $1MM while the other 65% are remaining relatively quiet? Could it be as Jerry Maguire said, "Follow the money"?

 

Jerry Maguire was 'Show me the money.' 'Follow the money' was from All the President's Men.

[mvp 78]

Jerry Maguire was 'Show me the money.' 'Follow the money' was from All the President's Men.

 

"There's nothing in the rules that says a dog can't play basketball." - Norman Dale, Hoosiers

[jad]

I agree that it's not an easy life for the players but being paid millions of dollars to do it takes a lot of the sting out of it.

 

However, I have to agree with Kimmie. If, say, Michael Chavis had said what Pillar said I'd have to agree with him. When Kevin Pillar who has made $11MM over nine years says it it doesn't ring quite as true.

 

A legitimate question is why the ones who are expressing their frustration are the 35% of the players who make over $1MM while the other 65% are remaining relatively quiet? Could it be as Jerry Maguire said, "Follow the money"?

 

Don't you think they might be nervous about it? If they're making under $1 million, unless they are stars (Devers), they are essentially just hanging on (in MLB terms, I mean). They don't want to jeopardize their careers by speaking out, and sports owners have a history of punishing players who piss them off (on both ends of the scale--ARod, whom the Yankees blamed for their own foolish contract, or [of course] Kaepernick). If an owner has a loud-mouthed union agitator who still 'has options', they could easily exercise those "options" by sending him back to the minors for a year or two to "get his head right."

[Kimmi]

The owners are the ones who started this, by setting forth publicly the types of offers they knew perfectly well the players would never accept. They then compounded that by setting up another offer obviously designed to pit players against one another (greater salary cuts for higher paid players). I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree entirely with the points reported in Scott Boras's email to his players: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29234956/agent-scott-boras-tells-clients-not-bail-baseball-owners

 

I do not disagree. The owners are just as guilty as the players are. Neither side is handling this well.

[Kimmi]

I think you're being a little rough on Pillar. I think he has some valid points.

 

Pillar has never had anything more than a one-year contract. Guys like him have zero job security. Now he's 31 years old. Yes, he's accumulated gross salaries of about $11 million in his career - prior to whatever he gets paid for this year. But this could be it for him.

 

I think part of his point is that being a professional baseball player is not a lucrative, easy life for the majority.

 

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I have no sympathy for millionaires who complain about money and complain about how tough they have it or how much they have had to sacrifice. It comes across as so entitled and greedy. I'm sure that it bothers me 1000 times more during this pandemic. What the players are dealing with doesn't even come close to what so many people have to deal with. What I'm dealing with on my teacher's salary doesn't even come close to what so many people have to deal with.

 

Stop complaining, at least publicly.

[Kimmi]

I agree that it's not an easy life for the players but being paid millions of dollars to do it takes a lot of the sting out of it.

 

However, I have to agree with Kimmie. If, say, Michael Chavis had said what Pillar said I'd have to agree with him. When Kevin Pillar who has made $11MM over nine years says it it doesn't ring quite as true.

 

A legitimate question is why the ones who are expressing their frustration are the 35% of the players who make over $1MM while the other 65% are remaining relatively quiet? Could it be as Jerry Maguire said, "Follow the money"?

 

Exactly Dewey.

[Kimmi]

The vast majority of players don't make millions of dollars. The average MLB career is 1.5 years.

 

And as we've said, we have more compassion for those players than we do for the millionaires. They are not the ones who are complaining.

[Kimmi]

And yet you're siding with the owners who are whining that they are not going to make enough money this year. The owners who are contracting MiLB.

 

I believe the players care far more about "the game" and its future than the owners do.

 

Show me one post that says I'm siding with the owners.

[mvp 78]

And as we've said, we have more compassion for those players than we do for the millionaires. They are not the ones who are complaining.

 

The ones complaining are standing up for those who don't have a voice. If I was a minimum salary guy, I'd be very reluctant to stand up right now and rock the boat. The players who make more money have the ability to do so.

 

Why is David Price reaching into his pocket to pay MiLB guys? Why not the owners?

[mvp 78]

Show me one post that says I'm siding with the owners.

 

"As I'm reading this, all I can hear is waaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa!"

[Kimmi]

@FrancysRomero10

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5h

 

Sources: David Price will pay out of his money $ 1,000 during the month of June to each minor league player in Dodgers system (40-man roster not included) according to multiple sources. Beautiful act if we count that Price hasn't played yet in MLB with

 

@Dodgers

. RESPECT.

 

 

This is what I'm talking about. Well done David.

[Kimmi]

"As I'm reading this, all I can hear is waaaaa, waaaaa, waaaaa!"

 

That doesn't say I'm siding with the owners. That says that the players are whining.

 

The owners are handling this equally as bad.

 

Again, I'm not happy with either side right now.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I have no sympathy for millionaires who complain about money and complain about how tough they have it or how much they have had to sacrifice. It comes across as so entitled and greedy. I'm sure that it bothers me 1000 times more during this pandemic. What the players are dealing with doesn't even come close to what so many people have to deal with. What I'm dealing with on my teacher's salary doesn't even come close to what so many people have to deal with.

 

Stop complaining, at least publicly.

 

I think Pillar is responding to all the people who are bashing players on the basis of 'making millions to play a kid's game'.

 

If those people are entitled to rant that way on social media, Pillar is entitled to respond.

[Kimmi]

Chad Finn @GlobeChadFinn 33m

RT @Buster_ESPN: This is great that David Price has reportedly stepped up to help others, and not surprising given his history of charity. https://t.co/LkZcX6DggG It's also embarrassing for the owners who have directed firings and furloughs and 401K cuts, while bearing much more wealth than David

 

 

^^100% Shame on the owners.

[Kimmi]

I think Pillar is responding to all the people who are bashing players on the basis of 'making millions to play a kid's game'.

 

If those people are entitled to rant that way on social media, Pillar is entitled to respond.

 

Of course he's entitled to respond. He's only going to make himself more of a target, however.

 

Professional athletes, celebrities, etc. getting into a social media war with 'regular people' usually doesn't end well for the athletes and celebrities.

[mvp 78]

That doesn't say I'm siding with the owners. That says that the players are whining.

 

The owners are handling this equally as bad.

 

Again, I'm not happy with either side right now.

 

IDK, but it seems like you are spending more time criticizing the players than the owners.

[Bellhorn04]

Of course he's entitled to respond. He's only going to make himself more of a target, however.

 

Professional athletes, celebrities, etc. getting into a social media war with 'regular people' usually doesn't end well for the athletes and celebrities.

 

But there was nothing in the least disrespectful toward the fans in his comments. He wasn't really trying to get in a war, I don't think.