Sox still negotiating for Myers

[Kimmi]

I'd still want 50% of Myers's contract paid.

 

I don't think the deal gets done if SD doesn't pay approximately 50% of his contract.

[Kimmi]

 

I know it hasn't happened, and it might not happen, but these are the kinds of deals that make my heart sing.

[notin]

I don't think the deal gets done if SD doesn't pay approximately 50% of his contract.

 

Weren't they willing to pay 50% last time arpund, but Boston wanted them to pay more?

[moonslav59]

I'm guessing if a deal like this gets done, the Sox would be optimistic that they could fix Myers.

 

But the bottom line is that we need the pitching. If Myers bounces back, that's an icing on the cake.

 

Yes, the deal would be more about Quantrill and adding a good pitcher.

[moonslav59]

I don't think the deal gets done if SD doesn't pay approximately 50% of his contract.

 

Unless they take some offsetting salary- like JBJ or Eovaldi.

[vegasbob]

Maybe Bloom keeps working the Wil Myers angle because he was part of Myer's early days in Tampa Bay and thinks he can bring him back to his original potential. Nothing like loving your younger brother. Myers is 29 and could show up better in a HR park like Fenway.

[moonslav59]

Weren't they willing to pay 50% last time arpund, but Boston wanted them to pay more?

 

That was for Betts.

 

If it's about Chavis or Dalbec, then Quantrill, Myers and $40% of his contract might be enough.

[Tedballgame]

Bloom = creative.

I like his approach. Give this guy some room under the luxury tax and he can be creative. If he can get a top pitching prospect and Myers by paying half of Myers salary I am all for it. Myers is young enough where he could become a better player than he has been. Let him tatoo the Green Monster for a year.

[Kimmi]

Weren't they willing to pay 50% last time arpund, but Boston wanted them to pay more?

 

I'm not sure.

 

That was an entirely different deal though, wasn't it?

[Kimmi]

Unless they take some offsetting salary- like JBJ or Eovaldi.

 

I don't think SD would do that. They really want to cut salary.

 

My understanding is that they're willing to take just about any random prospect in return for Myers and Quantrill just to get some of Myers' salary off the books.

[Kimmi]

Maybe Bloom keeps working the Wil Myers angle because he was part of Myer's early days in Tampa Bay and thinks he can bring him back to his original potential. Nothing like loving your younger brother. Myers is 29 and could show up better in a HR park like Fenway.

 

The peripheral stats on Myers do not look promising.

[Nick]

The peripheral stats on Myers do not look promising.

 

This is simply a salary dump for San Diego. Their return is Boston paying 1/2 of Myers actual salary.

 

Boston doesn't give a damn about Myers. His contract is back loaded so his competitive balance payroll is much less than actual payout. Thus Sox may only get hit for $4-5M for luxury tax purpose. Meanwhile Sox will get a pitcher and maybe two more prospects.

 

Bloom knows how to build the farm.

 

And this is why JBJ is untradeable. Think about it. Bloom ain't willing to do what San Diego is doing. He ain't giving up prospects just so other team picks half of JBJ's tab. We're already under the cap. Unless some jackass picks up half of JBJ salary and expects no prospects in return, JBJ is here to stay.

Edited February 18, 2020 by Nick

[moonslav59]

I don't think SD would do that. They really want to cut salary.

 

My understanding is that they're willing to take just about any random prospect in return for Myers and Quantrill just to get some of Myers' salary off the books.

 

If they are willing to pay $20-35M towards Myers's contract, taking JBJ and his $11M and then just giving $10-15M does the same for their budget.

 

Taking Eovaldi would not, since he is owed $51M/3.

[moonslav59]

This is simply a salary dump for San Diego. Their return is Boston paying 1/2 of Myers actual salary.

 

Boston doesn't give a damn about Myers. His contract is back loaded so his competitive balance payroll is much less than actual payout. Thus Sox may only get hit for $4-5M for luxury tax purpose. Meanwhile Sox will get a pitcher and maybe two more prospects.

 

Bloom knows how to build the farm.

 

And this is why JBJ is untradeable. Think about it. Bloom ain't willing to do what San Diego is doing. He ain't giving up prospects just so other team picks half of JBJ's tab. We're already under the cap. Unless some jackass picks up half of JBJ salary and expects no prospects in return.

 

Bllom could have just non tendered JBJ and saved $11M. I don't think he views JBJ as a salary dump. He won't be traded, unless Bloom thinks we get more back.

[mvp 78]

The peripheral stats on Myers do not look promising.

 

Bench player at best.

[Nick]

Bllom could have just non tendered JBJ and saved $11M. I don't think he views JBJ as a salary dump. He won't be traded, unless Bloom thinks we get more back.

 

We're not getting anything back.....

[moonslav59]

We're not getting anything back.....

 

Agreed. I think Bloom is alone among GMs in thinking JBJ is worth $11M

Edited February 19, 2020 by moonslav59

[a700hitter]

Please get me a vomit emoji.

[mvp 78]

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[Swiharts Ghost]

Quintrell and camposano along with Arias would be a coup .Intrigued about Quintrell in the rotation seems like he has a lot of upside would be one hell of a game changer for us if the kid slots right in at the third spot and let Evo and Perez coast down at the bottom . Erod ,Sale ,Q,evo,Perez is a pretty decent rotation tack on an opener and we may really have a special year in Boston .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Agreed. I think Bloom is alone among GMs in thinking JBJ is worth $11M

 

 

I think he’s worth that .The Defense alone is worth 10

[moonslav59]

Here are the values set by the Trade Values site of some SD players of possible interest:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-47.4 Myers -owed $68.5M/3 but Lux is $13.8M x 3

+8.0 Baez (RHP)- pre arb

+8.6 Quantrill (SP)- pre arb

+12.8 Naylor (OF/1B)- pre arb

+13.7 Morejon (LHP prospect)

+16.0 Yates (Closer)- $7.1M x 1 year, then FA

+32.1 Campusano (C prospect)

 

In theory, if these values are close to correct, we could give nothing and get Meyers (-47) plus 47 to balance it out. Mix and match:

 

Campusano & Morejon

or

Campusano, Quantrill & Baez

or

Naylor, Morejon, Quantrill & Baez

 

I doubt SD comes close to any of this, but they don't pay any cash.

 

More likely is Myers + $30M and Quantrill which comes out about a Baez short, but it is what it is.

[moonslav59]

I think he’s worth that .The Defense alone is worth 10

 

Nope. Not even when he was prime.

[mvp 78]

Quintrell and camposano along with Arias would be a coup .Intrigued about Quintrell in the rotation seems like he has a lot of upside would be one hell of a game changer for us if the kid slots right in at the third spot and let Evo and Perez coast down at the bottom . Erod ,Sale ,Q,evo,Perez is a pretty decent rotation tack on an opener and we may really have a special year in Boston .

 

Not a chance.

[moonslav59]

Not a chance.

 

Agreed. We're lucky they might give us just Quantrill and $20-30M.

[vjcsmoke]

Agreed. We're lucky they might give us just Quantrill and $20-30M.

 

Why the hell do we want to trade for Myers?

 

We just dumped Price's half of Price's salary whom was owed 3/90m and that came at the cost of Mookie Betts.

 

Now we WANT to pick up Myer's 3/90m for prospects?

 

Scratching my head here as taking on Myer's undesireable contract will just return us to cap hell.

 

Not to mention he's just a mediocre player on a bad salary.

 

Chaim Bloom trying to run the Sox into the ground?

 

I'll tell you what, I'll give you our best player Mookie Betts, and you take 45m of Price's contract in exchange for Verdugo and a couple of unproven prospects.

 

I'll tell you what, I'll eat 45m of your albatross contract in Myers, in exchange for some unproven prospects.

 

So net result: Mookie Betts traded for a handful of unproven prospects and a seriously injured outfielder in Verdugo.

 

Red Sox still in the luxury tax.

 

These moves makes no sense unless the Padres eat a LOT more than half of Myer's contract.

[jacksonianmarch]

Vjc you’ve got the numbers all wrong. Remember, JH cares about the Lux tax. Myers is due $67.5 mil over the next 3 seasons, but with his contract being back loaded, his actual Lux tax number is only $13.8 mil AAV. If the Padres eat $33 mil (nearly half the deal), then the Lux tax number will only be $3 mil AAV. That’s palatable, especially if it allows you to buy a prospect or two. Even with Downs in system, the Sox system lacks any sort of depth. This is a way to buy a prospect and have it look like you’re barely paying anything for them

[Bellhorn04]

Nope. Not even when he was prime.

 

A fine way to talk about your 'favorite player'.

[Bellhorn04]

Why the hell do we want to trade for Myers?

 

We just dumped Price's half of Price's salary whom was owed 3/90m and that came at the cost of Mookie Betts.

 

Now we WANT to pick up Myer's 3/90m for prospects?

 

Scratching my head here as taking on Myer's undesireable contract will just return us to cap hell.

 

Not to mention he's just a mediocre player on a bad salary.

 

Chaim Bloom trying to run the Sox into the ground?

 

I'll tell you what, I'll give you our best player Mookie Betts, and you take 45m of Price's contract in exchange for Verdugo and a couple of unproven prospects.

 

I'll tell you what, I'll eat 45m of your albatross contract in Myers, in exchange for some unproven prospects.

 

So net result: Mookie Betts traded for a handful of unproven prospects and a seriously injured outfielder in Verdugo.

 

Red Sox still in the luxury tax.

 

These moves makes no sense unless the Padres eat a LOT more than half of Myer's contract.

 

You're spouting off with no idea what you're talking about on the numbers.

[Bellhorn04]

Nope. Not even when he was prime.

 

Question for you moon:

 

If elite outfield defense isn't worth $10 million a year,

 

Why the heck do you think Mookie is worth $35 million a year?

 

Especially keeping in mind he has an .858 OPS away from Fenway, which is hardly elite.