David Price...

[notin]

Suggestions?

 

Actually if the Sox wanted to move salary and bring back a good enough return to position themselves to be competitive now or at last in the near future, the answer might be to deal Bogaerts, whose deal is an excellent one.

 

While no one wants to see X go anywhere except between second and third at Fenway, the Sox could clear close to $20mill and get back 2 or 3 (or more?) quality players or young prospects for Bogaerts.

 

I hope it doesn't happen, but it certainly is a remote possibility...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Actually if the Sox wanted to move salary and bring back a good enough return to position themselves to be competitive now or at last in the near future, the answer might be to deal Bogaerts, whose deal is an excellent one.

 

While no one wants to see X go anywhere except between second and third at Fenway, the Sox could clear close to $20mill and get back 2 or 3 (or more?) quality players or young prospects for Bogaerts.

 

I hope it doesn't happen, but it certainly is a remote possibility...

 

It would suck, but I'd only consider it if the Sox could upgrade at short and got a quality arm back. I'm talking guys rumored to be on the block like Lindor or Correa, with a young, controllable pitcher -- something like Bogie, Barnes and Dalbec for Lindor and Clevenger. Boston would eventually have to sign Lindor -- after they sign Mookie -- but any deals that whittle the tax will help, before it totally changes in the next CBA.

[bertha]

I'm hoping we don't have to contribute more than 5m per year of Price's salary. Thinking 25m sounds reasonable for a top of the rotation pitcher in today's market? But more likely we'll have to kick in 10m per year to move him along.

 

Nice

Edited December 16, 2019 by bertha

[mvp 78]

I don't see much logic in this piece, except that 2 pitchers are off the board. (2 teams are no longer looking, though.)

 

What a horrible writer.

 

"Though every pitcher is different, Price is more similar to Kluber and Bumgarner than Cole, Strasburg or Wheeler. Suddenly, the remainder of Price’s deal doesn’t look as much like an albatross considering the massive prices for free agents."

 

The FA's making big bucks are far younger with much higher upside than Price. His contract doesn't look like an albatross if you compare it to Cole's contract? That's like saying "Myers contract isn't bad if you look at how much Trout is being paid."

[mvp 78]

"Though Bumgarner’s average annual value ($17 million) is significantly lower than Price’s ($31 million), teams looking to contend in the next couple seasons would likely rather have the shorter-term deal (Price’s)."

 

Also, wrong since since Bum's contract is backloaded, so it's cheaper in the next couple of seasons. They could move him afterwards.

[moonslav59]

Trade:

Price ($32M x 3/ $31M on Lux Tax)

Eovaldi ($17M x 3/ $17M LT)

Betts (~$28M last arb)

JBJ (~$11M last arb)

Chavis (pre-arb)

Walden (pre-arb)

+$1M a year x 3 yrs

 

for

 

Pederson (~$9M last arb) Maybe flip him to another team later

AJ Pollock ($17M x 3/ $12M Lux tax)

K Maeda ($3.1M x 4/ $3.1M LT)

Joe Kelly ($8.3M x 2/ $8.3M LT)

Josiah Gray (Pitching prospect)

 

Total Money:

Sox get:

$37.4M in 2020 but $33M Lux Tax (counting the $1M we send per year)

drops $9M in 2021 (Pederson) and another $8.3M in 2022 (Kelly)

 

LAD gets

$87M in 2020 and $86M on Lux Tax

drops $39M in 2021 (Betts & JBJ)

[mvp 78]

11 player trade. Very realistic.

[moonslav59]

11 player trade. Very realistic.

 

Notice I did not post this on the realistic thread.

 

(Note: the last Dodger dump involved 8 players plus cash changing teams.)

 

One that is maybe doable:

 

Betts & Price (+$3M)

for

AJ Pollock, Maeda & Downs

 

Edited December 16, 2019 by moonslav59

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The stimulator accepted mine! I'm cutting and pasting outta here...

[moonslav59]

This trade was denied, despite exact equal values (0.00) for each of the 3 teams:

 

Sox get: Myers, Pollock, Margot & Campusano ©

SDP get: Eovaldi, JBJ and Gale (from LAD)

LAD get: Price & Dalbec

[Swiharts Ghost]

Trade:

Price ($32M x 3/ $31M on Lux Tax)

Eovaldi ($17M x 3/ $17M LT)

Betts (~$28M last arb)

JBJ (~$11M last arb)

Chavis (pre-arb)

Walden (pre-arb)

+$1M a year x 3 yrs

 

for

 

Pederson (~$9M last arb) Maybe flip him to another team later

AJ Pollock ($17M x 3/ $12M Lux tax)

K Maeda ($3.1M x 4/ $3.1M LT)

Joe Kelly ($8.3M x 2/ $8.3M LT)

Josiah Gray (Pitching prospect)

 

Total Money:

Sox get:

$37.4M in 2020 but $33M Lux Tax (counting the $1M we send per year)

drops $9M in 2021 (Pederson) and another $8.3M in 2022 (Kelly)

 

LAD gets

$87M in 2020 and $86M on Lux Tax

drops $39M in 2021 (Betts & JBJ)

 

Now this right here is pure Awesome !!!!!! Lot of effort in this makes me smile .I would love Joc playing at Fenway and Kenta other than that I don’t love The Mookie add ....good work though Moon .

Edited December 17, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[Swiharts Ghost]

I think there’s too many fleas on Dave to get dealt without some powder to go along with him .Paying down 12 million and adding a chaser won’t get it done time to bite the bullett on Mookie .

[notin]

This trade was denied, despite exact equal values (0.00) for each of the 3 teams:

 

Sox get: Myers, Pollock, Margot & Campusano ©

SDP get: Eovaldi, JBJ and Gale (from LAD)

LAD get: Price & Dalbec

 

Yeah it has some code in it that if you trade a player with a value over a certain value, that team has to get back at least one player whose value is at least a certain percentage. Basically, it’s one of the ways that prevents a player with a value of 20 being equal to 10 players with a value of 2. As that is unrealistic.

 

In this deal, I think San Diego giving up Campusano and getting back no real value killed this deal...

[Larry Cook]

Keuchel, rye and maybe a couple others probably have to sign before hang ‘em chaim can start to formulate a plan to dump price.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Keuchel, rye and maybe a couple others probably have to sign before hang ‘em chaim can start to formulate a plan to dump price.

 

Only 1 question ? Why ? Why does the price trade have to preclude any other Trade is there a wizard of Trade and the wizard chooses who’s next ? Who is this freaking wizard ? I want answers !!! Is it Nolan Ryan ? If so that would be cool with me I like Nolan Ryan !! Or is it pokey Reese ? Man I miss Pokey Reese .Who is the Wizard of Trade that makes me wait ????

[jacksonianmarch]

What a horrible writer.

 

"Though every pitcher is different, Price is more similar to Kluber and Bumgarner than Cole, Strasburg or Wheeler. Suddenly, the remainder of Price’s deal doesn’t look as much like an albatross considering the massive prices for free agents."

 

The FA's making big bucks are far younger with much higher upside than Price. His contract doesn't look like an albatross if you compare it to Cole's contract? That's like saying "Myers contract isn't bad if you look at how much Trout is being paid."

 

I understand his point in that the guys who got big money were all big fastball guys. Cole, Stras and Wheeler were all 95+ mph average velo guys. But the similarities end there. I do wonder if the industry is devaluing lower velocity players because they feel that they don't have as much room to move downward and still be effective. I look at it the other way and the guys throwing slower with success have already adjusted to the command and movement game, which is hard for pitchers to do

[Larry Cook]

Only 1 question ? Why ? Why does the price trade have to preclude any other Trade is there a wizard of Trade and the wizard chooses who’s next ? Who is this freaking wizard ? I want answers !!! Is it Nolan Ryan ? If so that would be cool with me I like Nolan Ryan !! Or is it pokey Reese ? Man I miss Pokey Reese .Who is the Wizard of Trade that makes me wait ????

 

Why? Because signing a free agent is always preferable to giving up prospects.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Except pitch-to-contact guys force teams to actually have to play quality defense if they want to win. That ruins all the plans of the anal. dept (dinosaur abbrev.), which would rather deploy second basemen in shallow right field (where it's often someone known more for a launch angle swing rather than the ability to make the pivot).

[moonslav59]

I threw this one against the wall on the simulator site and got 8 likes to 2 dislikes. (It's hard to know if the likes are Sox or Dodger fans.)

 

Betts, Price & $3M

 

for

 

Pollock, Maeda & Downs

 

The money?

 

Sox get:

Pollock ($17M x 3 avg/ Lux $12M)

Maeda ($3.1 x 4/ Lux $3.1)

Total: $20.1M (+$1M we pay LAD x 3 yrs)= $21.1

 

LA gets:

Price ($32M x 3/Lux $31M)

Betts (~$28M/1)

$3M cash (3 x 1)

Total: $60M (-$1M x 3 yrs)= $59M

 

We save $38M in 2020 and $43M on Lux tax.

 

(In reality, the Dodgers would probably demand more money, but if you subtract Pollock from Price, they are basically getting Ptice for $15M x 3 years, so maybe not.)

Edited December 17, 2019 by moonslav59

[harmony]

MassLive columnist Chris Cotillo contends the "Red Sox are suddenly in a power position":

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-how-boston-red-sox-are-impacted-by-corey-kluber-madison-bumgarner-moves.html

 

Respectfully disagree.

NBC Sports Boston columnist John Tomase joins Chris Cotillo in the Red Sox promotions department:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-rumors-why-dodgers-more-182653375.html

[Bellhorn04]

NBC Sports Boston columnist John Tomase joins Chris Cotillo in the Red Sox promotions department:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-rumors-why-dodgers-more-182653375.html

 

Especially if Ryu signs elsewhere, the Dodgers seem like a prime trade partner for Price.

[mvp 78]

NBC Sports Boston columnist John Tomase joins Chris Cotillo in the Red Sox promotions department:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-rumors-why-dodgers-more-182653375.html

 

Tomase should have been run out of town over a decade ago.

[Bellhorn04]

tomase should have been run out of town over a decade ago.

 

lol

[jacksonianmarch]

Maybe we got some clarity in the Bumgarner situation. He said that he definitely left money on the table. He wanted to be in Arizona. Once he heard they were heavily interested, he blocked out all other suitors. He even deferred a significant portion of his first two season’s salary to help the DBacks add. So maybe the market isn’t suppressed for second tier starters, maybe MadBum suppressed it all by himself

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe we got some clarity in the Bumgarner situation. He said that he definitely left money on the table. He wanted to be in Arizona. Once he heard they were heavily interested, he blocked out all other suitors. He even deferred a significant portion of his first two season’s salary to help the DBacks add. So maybe the market isn’t suppressed for second tier starters, maybe MadBum suppressed it all by himself

 

Yeah I just read that. One of those rare guys who isn't after the last dollar.

[notin]

Maybe we got some clarity in the Bumgarner situation. He said that he definitely left money on the table. He wanted to be in Arizona. Once he heard they were heavily interested, he blocked out all other suitors. He even deferred a significant portion of his first two season’s salary to help the DBacks add. So maybe the market isn’t suppressed for second tier starters, maybe MadBum suppressed it all by himself

 

Or maybe no other agent will pay any attention to the Bumgarner deal and try to get their clients offers in line with everyone else!?

[Bellhorn04]

Or maybe no other agent will pay any attention to the Bumgarner deal and try to get their clients offers in line with everyone else!?

 

No, everyone's going to want the 'Bumgarner discount' now!

 

Promo code: BUM

[jacksonianmarch]

Or maybe no other agent will pay any attention to the Bumgarner deal and try to get their clients offers in line with everyone else!?

 

That’d be good for the Sox in offloading price

[Slasher9]

No, everyone's going to want the 'Bumgarner discount' now!

 

Promo code: BUM

 

hahaha. +2 points.

 

the union must be effing pissed at Bum.

[moonslav59]

hahaha. +2 points.

 

the union must be effing pissed at Bum.

 

Seems like everyone else has signed above projections or for more years. I'm not sure why Bum's seemingly low contract value is the one that sets the market for Price or Eovaldi.

 

Certainly, it does not appear to help, but plenty of other deals seem to make Price and Eovaldi's deals not look as horrible as they seemed just weeks ago.