David Price...

[Swiharts Ghost]

I’ve told you all already, Price isn’t gonna move until the Bumgarner and Ryu sweeps are over

 

Mad bum to Dbacks just now .Put the Cole news in you’re ear soon the Price stakes are here Boooooooom Bluuuuuuuuum

Edited December 15, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

FWIW, over the past three seasons Madison Bumgarner, David Price and Rick Porcello have each posted 6.2 fWAR, valued at $49.8 million:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2019&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2017-01-01&enddate=2019-12-31&page=2_30

 

Price is four years older than Bumgarner, who is seven months younger than Porcello.

[Swiharts Ghost]

FWIW, over the past three seasons Madison Bumgarner, David Price and Rick Porcello have each posted 6.2 fWAR, valued at $49.8 million:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=6&season=2019&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=2017-01-01&enddate=2019-12-31&page=2_30

 

Price is four years older than Bumgarner, who is seven months younger than Porcello.

In this scenario Madbum is barely worth what 10 million on a 1 year deal ? Yeah no .But did Dbacks just overpay a player past his prime for past performance ? Yes yes they did which bodes very well for Price .Pay down the contract to 15 million and add Benny for Vaughn And cash considerations.Turn to Dodgers for Joc Pederson if Whitesox don’t jump and only pay it down to 18 .

Edited December 15, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

In this scenario Madbum is barely worth what 10 million on a 1 year deal ? Yeah no .But did Dbacks just overpay a player past his prime for past performance ? Yes yes they did which bodes very well for Price .Pay down the contract to 15 million and add Benny for Vaughn And cash considerations.

This year 30-year-old Madison Bumgarner posted 3.2 fWAR, valued at $25.5 million. Bumgarner may not be the lefthander "past his prime."

 

A 34-year-old David Price reportedly will be paid $11 million more for three years than Bumgarner will be paid for five years (some of which will be deferred).

Edited December 15, 2019 by harmony

[Swiharts Ghost]

Although your solid points make for wisdom ,players and Teams organizations have different views of value of a player or players .Harmony just hold tight and we will see soon if we have a great GM or a s*** average one .

[Swiharts Ghost]

If Madbum gets 5 at 85 than Ryu gets similar right ? 17 to 18 per ? Madbum has a million innings on that noodle .Price is worth 3 at 48 .Make the trade Blooooomer

[jacksonianmarch]

I am really perplexed by Bumgarner's market. Take a look at Bumgarner's history. During his 6 year run as a perceived ace, his best WAR season was 4.9. His worst was 2.7. He crossed 200 innings in every season. Where he made his bones was the postseason where he was super special every time out and essentially stepped up when they needed him. So good to great regular season, impeccable post season warrior. He goes and busts up his pitching shoulder on an ATV and missed parts of 2017 and 2018. He comes back in 2019, crosses 200 innings, puts up a WAR of 3.2 and posts his highest velocity since 2015. He also is only 30 yrs old. Yet, MadBum, with all his accolades, gets paid like a steady Eddy guy and not an ace. I am perplexed by this one. I would have thought the market would have supported MadBum clearing well over $100 mil. Heck, of the $85 mil, $25 mil is deferred. I am surprised Cashman didn't get in on this. 5-$85 mil is really pretty reasonable and it would have pushed Cash to deal Paxton for some talent.

 

Also, this deal sets up the DBacks to move him. Yes, they'll lose a draft pick for signing him, but the fact that the money is deferred really sticks a team that gets him later. Brilliant move by the DBacks. Pretty surprising move from a market perspective. I think this drops down the values of the older lefties like Price and Happ who are on the trade market.

[harmony]

From Sunday's MLB Trade Rumors chat with columnist Mark Polishuk:

Jim

9:40 Is David price too much of a risk to trade for in your opinion?

Mark P

9:42 I sure wouldn't want him for $96MM over the next three years, but if the Red Sox paid $50MM of that? I'd be game

9:43 Hang on, mistyped, meant to say $60MM.

 

If Price was a FA on the market right now, he wouldn't get three years/$46MM, not with his injury history

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/mlbtr-chat-with-mark-polishuk-6587.html

[Swiharts Ghost]

Harmony are you serious ? Are you quoting a blogger ? Are you a Mariners fan just Trolling here? A blogger huh ? Sure Harmony nice read .Maybe Jimmy Fallon can be our next GM .

[Jack Flap]

Interesting that none of the teams reportedly interested in Price landed Bumgarner or Kluber. Lots of clubs out there still looking for pitching...maybe we'll see some movement on this soon.

 

I'm not really expecting anything other than a salary dump here...anything interesting coming in return will just be a pleasant surprise.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Jack Flap
meant Kluber, not Keuchel

[jacksonianmarch]

I forgot about Keuchel. Once Ryu and Keuchel sign, then the Sox can get a market value on Price

[moonslav59]

I forgot about Keuchel. Once Ryu and Keuchel sign, then the Sox can get a market value on Price

 

Yes, and what those two get may help "set" the payoff number on Price's remaining contract costs.

[mvp 78]

From Sunday's MLB Trade Rumors chat with columnist Mark Polishuk:

 

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/mlbtr-chat-with-mark-polishuk-6587.html

 

But WHAT DOES THE TRADE SIMULATOR SAY?!?!?!?

[notin]

But WHAT DOES THE TRADE SIMULATOR SAY?!?!?!?

 

It gives Price a surplus value of negative $60mill, or exactly the value Polishuk said he would need included to take Price in a deal.

 

It is possible he chose that value based on the simulator...

[moonslav59]

It gives Price a surplus value of negative $60mill, or exactly the value Polishuk said he would need included to take Price in a deal.

 

It is possible he chose that value based on the simulator...

 

So, it basically hints at Price being worth $12M x 3 years ($96M- $36M= $60M value).

[Bellhorn04]

So, it basically hints at Price being worth $12M x 3 years ($96M- $36M= $60M value).

 

And $60 million seems like too much to swallow.

[mvp 78]

And $60 million seems like too much to swallow.

 

Seems like there's probably a better way to save 12M AAV than moving Price.

[Jack Flap]

I suspect Price has a bit more trade value than that, given this market. Paying down about a third of his money (to ~$20 million per year) feels like the sweet spot.

 

The simulator also had the Kluber swap as a positive for Cleveland, so take that as you will.

[harmony]

Seems like there's probably a better way to save 12M AAV than moving Price.

Suggestions?

[mvp 78]

Suggestions?

 

Bye Mookie. Bye JBJ. You'd actually get something of value in return for those guys. If they don't want to sign either long term, they need to move them (if they really are just punting this season). Maybe they are just waiting until after Xmas at Fenway and most of the tix are sold? IDK.

[notin]

I suspect Price has a bit more trade value than that, given this market. Paying down about a third of his money (to ~$20 million per year) feels like the sweet spot.

 

The simulator also had the Kluber swap as a positive for Cleveland, so take that as you will.

 

But even if you pay it down by 67%, what exactly does that get in return?

 

As for the Kluber swap, clearly Texas thinks Kluber will beat his projections tht whatever source is being used here has said he will meet. It's a gamble. The guy had a major arm problem last year, and if he isn't recovered fully, he might not be the ace they are hoping for. That Cleveland let him go for so little suggests they are more inclined to believe Kluber isn't what he once was, and they know his situation better than any other team right now.

[notin]

Bye Mookie. Bye JBJ. You'd actually get something of value in return for those guys. If they don't want to sign either long term, they need to move them (if they really are just punting this season). Maybe they are just waiting until after Xmas at Fenway and most of the tix are sold? IDK.

 

I question the value there, too.

 

Bradley will make about $11mill for one year. $11mill isn't outrageous for a glove-first CF; it's roughly what the Rays are paying Kiermaier, but the one year thing might be a bigger issue.

 

Mookie is a generational talent. but one yaer of a $27-30mill player on it's own is a big commitment. I think if the Sox had dealt him last July, they would have made a killing. This year, maybe the Sox can get something like what the Orioles got for Machado , which was the Dodgers #4 prospect, 2 hopeful prospects, and one player with a utility ceiling...

[Swiharts Ghost]

We will soon see the package we get back if Attttttaching Benn6yy good night put the cookies down

[mvp 78]

I question the value there, too.

 

Bradley will make about $11mill for one year. $11mill isn't outrageous for a glove-first CF; it's roughly what the Rays are paying Kiermaier, but the one year thing might be a bigger issue.

 

Mookie is a generational talent. but one yaer of a $27-30mill player on it's own is a big commitment. I think if the Sox had dealt him last July, they would have made a killing. This year, maybe the Sox can get something like what the Orioles got for Machado , which was the Dodgers #4 prospect, 2 hopeful prospects, and one player with a utility ceiling...

 

Seems like Preller actually wants Mookie though...

 

Red Sox Stats

 

SD is focused on trading for pitching, but this says general manager AJ Preller has discussed a Mookie Betts trade, along with other big name players from around baseball.

[mvp 78]

We will soon see the package we get back if Attttttaching Benn6yy good night put the cookies down

 

I think Beni is more of a "eat a whole stack of white American cheese slices" kinda guy.

[notin]

Seems like Preller actually wants Mookie though...

 

Red Sox Stats

 

SD is focused on trading for pitching, but this says general manager AJ Preller has discussed a Mookie Betts trade, along with other big name players from around baseball.

 

Every team wants Mookie. But how many want to give up elite prospects for the privilege of paying him $30mill for one season?

[mvp 78]

Every team wants Mookie. But how many want to give up elite prospects for the privilege of paying him $30mill for one season?

 

Still should be easier than moving Price.

[harmony]

MassLive columnist Chris Cotillo contends the "Red Sox are suddenly in a power position":

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-how-boston-red-sox-are-impacted-by-corey-kluber-madison-bumgarner-moves.html

 

Respectfully disagree.

[notin]

Still should be easier than moving Price.

 

Moving Price without paying anything is more difficult than trying to split an atom with a butter knife.

 

With Mookie, the decision might be whether or not to just move the salary or what do you have to do to maximize the return?

[moonslav59]

MassLive columnist Chris Cotillo contends the "Red Sox are suddenly in a power position":

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/12/david-price-trade-rumors-how-boston-red-sox-are-impacted-by-corey-kluber-madison-bumgarner-moves.html

 

Respectfully disagree.

 

I don't see much logic in this piece, except that 2 pitchers are off the board. (2 teams are no longer looking, though.)