David Price...

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes, but the chances of that dream coming true are roughly equal to the chances of me flapping my arms and flying to the moon.

 

The best chance the Yankees have is if Stanton decides to ignore his agent and opt out after this year. And, much like with Price, it's not likely to happen. Especially if the Yankees win the World Series.

 

I would say this was both a good day and a bad day for the Yankees and their fans...

 

 

It was a good day for fans who have been waiting for the Yankees to be the Yankees again. We haven't been favorites in a season since the end of the dynasty around 2009-2012. Is this going to be a nightmare at the end, probably. But if we can get 3-5 years of vintage Cole, then it's worth it. It is time to win a title

[Bellhorn04]

Think a team would pay him half his contract or less?

 

I think a team would pay him $18 * 3. That's 60% which is what the current buzz seems to be.

[notin]

I think a team would pay him $18 * 3. That's 60% which is what the current buzz seems to be.

 

Or take back another lesser contract?

 

There are plenty of players with bad cotnracts I wouldn't mind seeing the Sox acquire in a Price deal. Although some have one year left on their contracts, which makes it very easy to take them on. (Dee Gordon headlining this list.)

[Swiharts Ghost]

Does Upton have upside at Fenway ? Price and Upton swap

[notin]

Does Upton have upside at Fenway ? Price and Upton swap

 

It would lower the Sox AAV commitment towards the Luxury tax by $10mill. The biggest problem with Upton is where to play him. Martinez has DH. That leaves the Sox with the questionable outfield alignment of Upton-Benintendi-Betts. Moving Betts to CF would be ok, but either of Upton or Benintendi is not a good fit for RF.

 

But I do think his swing would play at Fenway...

[Swiharts Ghost]

I'm torn right now .I think either we get 70 cents back on the dollar or I'm keeping the guy .I just can't see us forking 360 million to Mookie ....

[Swiharts Ghost]

How much is Correa making ? Price and a sweetener for CC ? Bryant ?

[Carpin]

How much is Correa making ? Price and a sweetener for CC ? Bryant ?

 

If the Astros trade Correa they will ask for the moon. Their objective is salary relief, I don't see them taking a big salary back if they trade Correa

[moonslav59]

It would lower the Sox AAV commitment towards the Luxury tax by $10mill. The biggest problem with Upton is where to play him. Martinez has DH. That leaves the Sox with the questionable outfield alignment of Upton-Benintendi-Betts. Moving Betts to CF would be ok, but either of Upton or Benintendi is not a good fit for RF.

 

But I do think his swing would play at Fenway...

 

Upton makes more sense, if we trade JD (in another deal).

[harmony]

Maybe not as massive as we once thought.

Although the cost of David Price's replacement has gone up as well.

[moonslav59]

Although the cost of David Price's replacement has gone up as well.

 

True, but if a trade like Price for Myers was a close deal before, my guess is Price's value has gone up by more than Myers.

 

Finding a 4th and 5th starter to replace Price and Porcello could be more costly, yes.

[harmony]

True, but if a trade like Price for Myers was a close deal before, my guess is Price's value has gone up by more than Myers.

 

Finding a 4th and 5th starter to replace Price and Porcello could be more costly, yes.

In four seasons with the Red Sox, David Price has posted 10.6 fWAR, valued at $85 million, while being paid $121 million.

 

The contract for a 34-year-old coming off an injury-shortened season is likely to sink deeper under water.

 

Or not.

[moonslav59]

In four seasons with the Red Sox, David Price has posted 10.6 fWAR, valued at $85 million, while being paid $121 million.

 

The contract for a 34-year-old coming off an injury-shortened season is likely to sink deeper under water.

 

Or not.

 

Oh, I agree, and I had him as a big negative value before the Cole signing. My point is that maybe he is now -$55M not -$60M or -$30M nut -$33M net value.

[notin]

How much is Correa making ? Price and a sweetener for CC ? Bryant ?

 

The Sox would stand a better chance resurrecting Lou Gehrig and signing his zombie corpse to play 1b...

[Slasher9]

We haven't been favorites in a season since the end of the dynasty around 2009-2012.

 

reality check. the dynasty ended 20-Oct-2004.

that's when the hammer became the nail and has been that way ever since.....

[VJCPatriot]

reality check. the dynasty ended 20-Oct-2004.

that's when the hammer became the nail and has been that way ever since.....

 

Reality check, we won championships in 2013 and 2018, if you characterize those years as failures, you're swinging way on the opposite side of homerism to straight out blind hate and disregard.

 

The Red Sox is not a 'dynasty' right now, but they do need to make a lot of moves to right the ship.

I'd count this year as a rebuilding year. Bloom needs to clear dead weight and put us in a position where we can compete in the future, say starting in 2020 if he can make the right cap clearing moves now and say restock the farm with some talent, I'd say that would be a successful step in the right direction.

 

As for Price, yes 18m value as a capable starting pitcher in today's market seems about right. The question comes down to what makes up for his 12m of extra salary per year. How much of that 12m value would you have to eat to send him away. Say 6m per year to a team that is desperate for solid starting pitching?

 

As for replacements, the only cost effective way is promoting from within. Free agents would eat into the potential cap relief unless you are going for strictly 1 year deals.

 

PS With free agency throwing crazy dollars at people, Price's value actually might be higher than we think, since signing replacement value pitchers is more expensive than ever in today's free agent market.

Edited December 11, 2019 by VJCPatriot

[notin]

There is something to that.

 

If you were a GM, would you prefer getting Price via trade and taking $96mill for three years? Or signing Homer Bailey for 1 year at $10mill and hoping it doesn’t backfire?

[Bellhorn04]

There is something to that.

 

If you were a GM, would you prefer getting Price via trade and taking $96mill for three years? Or signing Homer Bailey for 1 year at $10mill and hoping it doesn’t backfire?

 

I'd say teams that have a good shot at the playoffs the next couple of years and some payroll room would be more interested in Price.

[Larry Cook]

There is a market for price that is developing. The question becomes how much if that contract do we eat? And who else is going with price?

[harmony]

There is a market for price that is developing. The question becomes how much if that contract do we eat? And who else is going with price?

FWIW, David Price is a 34-year-old lefthander who has averaged only 120 innings a season over the past three years.

Edited December 12, 2019 by harmony

[Bellhorn04]

FWIW, David Price is a 34-year-old lefthander who has averaged only 120 innings a season over the past three years.

 

And he pitched 202 high-quality innings in 2018, postseason included.

 

Funny how the window you choose changes everything.

[Jack Flap]

It was a good day for fans who have been waiting for the Yankees to be the Yankees again. We haven't been favorites in a season since the end of the dynasty around 2009-2012. Is this going to be a nightmare at the end, probably. But if we can get 3-5 years of vintage Cole, then it's worth it. It is time to win a title

 

Including the years 2001-2008 (zero titles) as part of a "dynasty" is...generous, to say the least.

[jacksonianmarch]

Including the years 2001-2008 (zero titles) as part of a "dynasty" is...generous, to say the least.

 

No titles, true. 2001 we were in game 7 of the WS. Went to the WS in 2003 as well. Won the ALE 01-06. Not like we bottomed out. Only missed the playoffs in one season, and that was due to injuries to Matsui and Posada.

[notin]

And he pitched 202 high-quality innings in 2018, postseason included.

 

Funny how the window you choose changes everything.

 

Harmony claims to be objective, but he does like choosing his ranges to make Boston players look bad and Seattle players look good. If someone learned everything they knew about baseball solely from his posts, they’d think Seattle had at least 4 titles this millennia and Boston was clearly the team that hasn’t played in the postseason for the last 18 years...

[mvp 78]

Harmony claims to be objective, but he does like choosing his ranges to make Boston players look bad and Seattle players look good. If someone learned everything they knew about baseball solely from his posts, they’d think Seattle had at least 4 titles this millennia and Boston was clearly the team that hasn’t played in the postseason for the last 18 years...

Since he’ll never see a WS in his lifetime, the only way he can enjoy MLB is to get fans from opposing teams worked up.

[Slasher9]

Reality check, we won championships in 2013 and 2018, if you characterize those years as failures, you're swinging way on the opposite side of homerism to straight out blind hate and disregard.

 

The Red Sox is not a 'dynasty' right now, but they do need to make a lot of moves to right the ship.

I'd count this year as a rebuilding year. Bloom needs to clear dead weight and put us in a position where we can compete in the future, say starting in 2020 if he can make the right cap clearing moves now and say restock the farm with some talent, I'd say that would be a successful step in the right direction.

 

As for Price, yes 18m value as a capable starting pitcher in today's market seems about right. The question comes down to what makes up for his 12m of extra salary per year. How much of that 12m value would you have to eat to send him away. Say 6m per year to a team that is desperate for solid starting pitching?

 

As for replacements, the only cost effective way is promoting from within. Free agents would eat into the potential cap relief unless you are going for strictly 1 year deals.

 

PS With free agency throwing crazy dollars at people, Price's value actually might be higher than we think, since signing replacement value pitchers is more expensive than ever in today's free agent market.

 

i'm not sure why you quoted me? i was pointing out to jacksonianmarch that the yankees "dynasty" ended that October night in 2004 when our players celebrated the AL pennant on the bronx infield.

[Bellhorn04]

i'm not sure why you quoted me? i was pointing out to jacksonianmarch that the yankees "dynasty" ended that October night when our players celebrated the AL pennant on the bronx infield.

 

Yeah I think that was an honest (though strange) mistake by infrequent poster VJCPatriot.

[Bellhorn04]

Harmony claims to be objective, but he does like choosing his ranges to make Boston players look bad and Seattle players look good. If someone learned everything they knew about baseball solely from his posts, they’d think Seattle had at least 4 titles this millennia and Boston was clearly the team that hasn’t played in the postseason for the last 18 years...

 

Yeah, it's like he's trying to be objective, but then the little demon inside takes over...

[notin]

Yeah, it's like he's trying to be objective, but then the little demon inside takes over...

 

It’s like he has a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other, but since both are wearing Mariners’ caps and Ichiro jerseys, they often agree with each other about what he’s saying...

[Bellhorn04]

It’s like he has a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other, but since both are wearing Mariners’ caps and Ichiro jerseys, they often agree with each other about what he’s saying...

 

Now we must prepare ourselves for the inevitable reminder that he doesn't measure his personal worth by the success, or lack of, of his sports teams.