David Price...

[Swiharts Ghost]

I think the break even point for Price is somewhere between him being worth $13M and $18M a year.

 

We could pitch in that amount and get a scrub.

 

We could take back a large salary and balance the trade accordingly.

 

We could add plus value players to improve the return.

 

Now this is true but If im the team Moon 20 is my trade valuation .I know he’s projected as an 18 million pitcher at this point but teams like the Whitesox who are begging for players to come there will pony it up plus a good return .My opinion only .I refuse to believe he’s just a salary dump for salary dump like some here .

Edited December 15, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

Now this is true but If im the team Moon 20 is my trade valuation .I know he’s projected as an 18 million pitcher at this point but teams like the Whitesox who are begging for players to come there will pony it up plus a good return .My opinion only .I refuse to believe he’s just a salary dump for salary dump like some here .

 

Saying he's worth $14-18M is not fully a salary dump.

 

If we can find a GM who values him at $20M or more, great, and I don't doubt one might be out there.

 

I'd trade Price & JBJ for Myers and Margot.

 

(If we can find another taker for JBJ and get a solid RP'er for him, I'd give Duran and Price for Margot.

 

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

Saying he's worth $14-18M is not fully a salary dump.

 

If we can find a GM who values him at $20M or more, great, and I don't doubt one might be out there.

 

I'd trade Price & JBJ for Myers and Margot.

 

(If we can find another taker for JBJ and get a solid RP'er for him, I'd give Duran and Price for Margot.

 

 

 

Moon have you watched the kid Vaughn play for Whitesox ? He’s two years away with real power like plus plus power .High A kid who’s swing is Magnificent.Price eat 10 to 12 for Vaughn I’d do in a cocaine heartbeat .The eta on Thad ward and others is also 2 years I’d really like to build for 22 as the magic time .

Edited December 15, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[notin]

Moon have you watched the kid Vaughn play for Whitesox ? He’s two years away with real power like plus plus power .High A kid who’s swing is Magnificent.Price eat 10 to 12 for Vaughn I’d do in a cocaine heartbeat .The eta on Thad ward and others is also 2 years I’d really like to build for 22 as the magic time .

 

The White Sox aren’t trading Andy Vaughn for David Price. Not trading Madrigal, either. And most definitely not trading both.

 

If the White Sox wanted to do that, why isn’t it done? Did Bloom day No?

[Swiharts Ghost]

The White Sox aren’t trading Andy Vaughn for David Price. Not trading Madrigal, either. And most definitely not trading both.

 

If the White Sox wanted to do that, why isn’t it done? Did Bloom day No?

Hey Notin don’t quit your day job .You have no idea what the Whitesox are willing to do NONE .That team is desperate and to not atleast acknowledge that and what can be exploited because of that is ignorant .Thankfully you are not our GM .

Edited December 15, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

Hey Notin don’t quit your day job .You have no idea what the Whitesox are willing to do NONE .That team is desperate and to not atleast acknowledge that and what can be exploited because of that is ignorant .Thankfully you are not our GM .

According to Baseball Trade Values, Andrew Vaughn has a surplus value of $52 million and Nick Madrigal a surplus value of $38.4 million while David Price has a negative value of $60 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/467/

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/604/

 

Those are tough starting points for a trade.

 

Hate to say it, but the Red Sox may be the desperate team this offseason.

 

Or not.

Edited December 15, 2019 by harmony

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If there are indeed five teams "intrigued" by Price (as reported by MLB.com), then there remains the possibility that a deal can be made that brings back someone that may contribute something in 2020. Any prospects, at best, will be most likely be A ball flyers -- the kind of guys Dombro shuttles off in win-now mode.

 

But for the good of the team's payroll structure -- for the coming season and beyond -- I think we should also accept that anyone taking Price's salary off our hands -- for nothing -- is better than keeping him (though the average fan may not accept that).

[Bellhorn04]

If there are indeed five teams "intrigued" by Price (as reported by MLB.com), then there remains the possibility that a deal can be made that brings back someone that may contribute something in 2020. Any prospects, at best, will be most likely be A ball flyers -- the kind of guys Dombro shuttles off in win-now mode.

 

But for the good of the team's payroll structure -- for the coming season and beyond -- I think we should also accept that anyone taking Price's salary off our hands -- for nothing -- is better than keeping him (though the average fan may not accept that).

 

It's pretty doubtful that another team will pay Price's full salary. I just hope one will pay 2/3 of it.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's pretty doubtful that another team will pay Price's full salary. I just hope one will pay 2/3 of it.

 

Agreed, and then maybe Bloom can save a little face by acquiring some teenage arm in return (like the ones Dombro gave away so we could watch Cashner pour gasoline on our last summer).

[notin]

Hey Notin don’t quit your day job .You have no idea what the Whitesox are willing to do NONE .That team is desperate and to not atleast acknowledge that and what can be exploited because of that is ignorant .Thankfully you are not our GM .

 

So I have no idea? Are you saying you do?

 

Exactly what is your source that the White Sox are desperate? (Hint: They're not.)

 

This isn't even a situation where I need to know how desperate a team is. That's just an incredibly stupid trade, and never assume a team will make an incredibly stupid trade.

 

According to you, the White Sox desperately want Price and are willing to drop their top two prospects for him. Why hasn't Bloom done this? I'm the guy you don't want as GM, but I would have done this trade a week ago. I would have skipped contract review (the first step in any trade) just to make it happen faster. What's holding up the guy you do want as GM?

 

Shall we make this a sig bet? I say the White Sox do not trade Madrigal ad Vaughn for Price. You say they will.

 

 

Agree?

 

 

For the record, I don't think Rick Hahn would trade Vaughn and Madrigal for David Price even if Chaim Bloom was holding his children hostage...

Edited December 15, 2019 by notin

[notin]

It's pretty doubtful that another team will pay Price's full salary. I just hope one will pay 2/3 of it.

 

There are a few lesser yet still bad contracts I wouldn't mind taking back, either.

 

Dee Gordon, for example, is someone the Mariners want to unload to get playing time for Shed Long. But Gordon is an excelent defensive 2B and his 1 yr /$10mill contract would be acceptable in a dump of Price. But there would very likely need to be a third team involved, since I doubt the cost-ravaging Mariners want to take on a $96 mill contract over 3 years.

 

Zack Cozart is another deal I'd take back.

 

But I have a feeling Bloom is just going to pay the deal down...

[moonslav59]

Moon have you watched the kid Vaughn play for Whitesox ? He’s two years away with real power like plus plus power .High A kid who’s swing is Magnificent.Price eat 10 to 12 for Vaughn I’d do in a cocaine heartbeat .The eta on Thad ward and others is also 2 years I’d really like to build for 22 as the magic time .

 

If we eat just $10-12M of Price's deal, we'll get a bag of used balls back.

[notin]

If we eat just $10-12M of Price's deal, we'll get a bag of used balls back.

 

But do they still have any bounce left in them? If so, I'm tempted by this offer...

[moonslav59]

So I have no idea? Are you saying you do?

 

Exactly what is your source that the White Sox are desperate? (Hint: They're not.)

 

This isn't even a situation where I need to know how desperate a team is. That's just an incredibly stupid trade, and never assume a team will make an incredibly stupid trade.

 

According to you, the White Sox desperately want Price and are willing to drop their top two prospects for him. Why hasn't Bloom done this? I'm the guy you don't want as GM, but I would have done this trade a week ago. I would have skipped contract review (the first step in any trade) just to make it happen faster. What's holding up the guy you do want as GM?

 

Shall we make this a sig bet? I say the White Sox do not trade Madrigal ad Vaughn for Price. You say they will.

 

 

Agree?

 

 

For the record, I don't think Rick Hahn would trade Vaughn and Madrigal for David Price even if Chaim Bloom was holding his children hostage...

 

They wouldn't trade one of those guys, even if we paid all but $5M a year of Price's contract.

[notin]

They wouldn't trade one of those guys, even if we paid all but $5M a year of Price's contract.

 

But the White Sox are desperate..

 

Of course, they have been remarkably quiet as desperate teams go. And if they wanted to spend for a 2-2.5 fWAR pitcher, they could get Julio Teheran for a lot less than $32mill. Heck, they might be able to get Bumgarner for less per year....

[Swiharts Ghost]

But the White Sox are desperate..

 

Of course, they have been remarkably quiet as desperate teams go. And if they wanted to spend for a 2-2.5 fWAR pitcher, they could get Julio Teheran for a lot less than $32mill. Heck, they might be able to get Bumgarner for less per year....

 

Kluber off the board now for 17.5 million a year through 21 and team option of 18 for 22 and a GM desperate to make a splash with a big name .Price is a World Series champion in the hardest market to pitch in on the planet .Prce is worth every bit of 20 million to a white Sox team with a soft media a starving fan base .Bloom either makes this deal or he’s a s*** hire .I want Vaughn and I’m willing to eat 15 million a year off Prices contract .I view this as a no brainer for both teams .Price is a star caliber name that team has been wanting .Price with all his zits here in the AL east may dominate in that division .

Edited December 15, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[harmony]

Kluber off the board now for 17.5 million a year through 21 and team option of 18 for 22 .Price is a World Series champion in the hardest market to pitch in on the planet .Prce is worth every bit of 20 million to a white Sox team with a soft media a starving fan base .Bloom either makes this deal or he’s a s*** hire .

According to Baseball Trade Values, Corey Kluber had a surplus value of $2.7 million and David Price a negative value of ... well, you know.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Harmony stop treating the AL east with that division it’s realllllllly annoying.You know as well as I do that this media this fan base this division is a freaking pressure cooker .The Whitesox are desperate for a pitcher like Price with World Series wins under his belt .Harmony Notin Moon this is the deal Boston and Chicago both must make its time to move on the deal for Vaughn for Price .

[notin]

Harmony stop treating the AL east with that division it’s realllllllly annoying.You know as well as I do that this media this fan base this division is a freaking pressure cooker .The Whitesox are desperate for a pitcher like Price with World Series wins under his belt .Harmony Notin Moon this is the deal Boston and Chicago both must make its time to move on the deal for Vaughn for Price .

 

I see the bar was moved again.

 

Again - simple question - if Chicago is truly desperate for a pitcher with World Series wins under his belt - why hasn’t this deal happened?

 

Bigger question is why Price for Vaughn over just signing Bumgarner...

[Swiharts Ghost]

I see the bar was moved again.

 

Again - simple question - if Chicago is truly desperate for a pitcher with World Series wins under his belt - why hasn’t this deal happened?

 

Bigger question is why Price for Vaughn over just signing Bumgarner...

Ok now that’s a good question here’s the answer and I’m going to emphasize this is speculation .David Price is not the only player being worked into the deal .The speculation to me and many others on the Whitesox board including Gammons is The player they have wanted for years Has always been Benny .Price and Benny for Vaughn and either a less subsidy or the kick in another prospect .I hope I’m not offending anyone that this is my trade that I want .....it’s not but it’s where we are it’s what may be done and I get it from both sides .I respect Notin Harmony and Moons stance that David is a 21 game a year pitcher who has been frankly a luxury overspend .The man did come up nails for us for those rings in 18 though so let’s give him his due .Vaughn is a player I’d do for Benny and look at David as a sweetener and a fresh start .2022 with Vaughn at first Casas in the mix Thad ward up and others ? That’s a dynamic team .Flame me for insisting on this deal but I’m locked into 22 .

[moonslav59]

According to Baseball Trade Values, Corey Kluber had a surplus value of $2.7 million and David Price a negative value of ... well, you know.

 

Man! We could have traded Decker straight up for Kluber!

[notin]

Man! We could have traded Decker straight up for Kluber!

 

... which would not have helped trim the payroll and could have backfired completely if Kluber spent half the year on IL...

[Swiharts Ghost]

... which would not have helped trim the payroll and could have backfired completely if Kluber spent half the year on IL...

 

Notin is This sarcasm ?

[notin]

Notin is This sarcasm ?

 

No. I would have liked Kluber, but it’s obvious why the Sox didn’t go for him. They’re cutting payroll towards the tax, and Kluber doesn’t help unless the Sox are trading money, like Bradley.

 

Of course that deal would make very little sense for Cleveland...

[Swiharts Ghost]

Wilt Kluber and Wacha off the board the musical chairs are dwindling to only a few chairs now and maybe 2 of them have had Price as the guy anyway .Things should heat up,today for Boston .

[harmony]

Wilt Kluber and Wacha off the board the musical chairs are dwindling to only a few chairs now and maybe 2 of them have had Price as the guy anyway .Things should heat up,today for Boston .

Propose a reasonable Red Sox offer that would be accepted.

[harmony]

Wilt Kluber and Wacha off the board the musical chairs are dwindling to only a few chairs now and maybe 2 of them have had Price as the guy anyway .Things should heat up,today for Boston .

The discussion at a White Sox forum:

 

http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?/topic/108767-sox-and-sawks-to-see-if-the-price-is-right/

[jacksonianmarch]

I’ve told you all already, Price isn’t gonna move until the Bumgarner and Ryu sweeps are over

[notin]

Propose a reasonable Red Sox offer that would be accepted.

 

Price, Bradley and $15mill for Odubel Herrera, David Robertson and Nick Williams.

 

Red Sox get a CF (with massive ethical questions), a RP/Closer, and an OF and save about $20mill towards the luxury tax...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I’ve told you all already, Price isn’t gonna move until the Bumgarner and Ryu sweeps are over

 

I agree with this, unless there are two mid-market teams that know they can't spare nine figures on MadBum and both looking at Price as a consolation prize at nearly half the subsidized cost (only eight digits -- wotta a bahgin).