David Price...

[harmony]

The Blue Jays' reported four-year, $80 million contract with lefthander Hyun-Jin Ryu should help the Red Sox in their David Price trade negotiations.

 

Or not.

 

[notin]

Just trade Price for Myers or Odor and let's move on.

 

Or Odubel Herrera?

[moonslav59]

Or Odubel Herrera?

 

I'd do it.

 

I doubt Philly would without some more money from us.

 

The simulator accepted this:

 

Price, JBJ & Decker

 

for

 

McCutchen, Robertson, Herrera & Marchan ©

 

The money?

 

Philly gets Price $32M x 3 and JBJ ~$11M (last arb)

 

BOS gets McCutchen $40M/2, Robertson $11.5M/1, Herrera $20M/2

 

Lux tax: McCutchen $16.7M x 2 + opt, Robertson $11.5M/1, Herrera $6.1M x 2+ opt

 

It's more of a budget boost to BOS after 2020.

[jacksonianmarch]

Toronto probably figured they’d get more production out of Ryu than Price. They’re getting an extra year of Ryu and are still saving $13 mil

[OH FOY]

Dodgers got to be in play for Price, but somebody has to be included, is my feeling. Mookie?

[Bellhorn04]

Toronto probably figured they’d get more production out of Ryu than Price. They’re getting an extra year of Ryu and are still saving $13 mil

 

That's assuming paying Price's full salary, which no one has suggested.

[Bellhorn04]

Dodgers got to be in play for Price, but somebody has to be included, is my feeling. Mookie?

 

The only thing the Sox have to include in a trade for Price is money.

[Bellhorn04]

I really do understand what you are saying here but I'm not going to pretend that losing him does not come at a talent cost. I am so absolutely tired of all of the crap posted here about trying to keep this team below a tax limit that may or may not even exist soon. I think that much will happen and soon if it appears that this team does not appear to be an improvement over last year's team. My guess is that many fans will not buy the concept that cutting payroll in order to build for the future is the best way to go.

 

John Henry obviously thinks the tax will continue to exist in the next CBA, and I'd say he's in a pretty good position to know about that.

[jacksonianmarch]

The dark horse now is Anaheim. They got Bundy and Teheran, who are more back end guys. They’ve got Ohtani, who’s flashed ace production without the durability. They need a 2 or a 3. Price is stretching it as a 2 or a 3, albeit has higher upside than Teheran and is just flat out better than Bundy

[Jack Flap]

John Henry obviously thinks the tax will continue to exist in the next CBA, and I'd say he's in a pretty good position to know about that.

 

I'm sure it will continue to exist in some form, but if they're smart, the players will fight tooth and nail to get the associated penalties reduced. Neither they nor the fans are served by the current system, where even the biggest-market teams are essentially sitting out every third offseason in order to stay under the line and reset.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm sure it will continue to exist in some form, but if they're smart, the players will fight tooth and nail to get the associated penalties reduced. Neither they nor the fans are served by the current system, where even the biggest-market teams are essentially sitting out every third offseason in order to stay under the line and reset.

 

The owners are going to need to concede on SOMETHING. As it stands right now, the owners own the rights of a player for 6 years and with the new analytics, the value is in those 6 seasons. Yes, the money was flowing this offseason, but the guys available this year were far better than most seasons. But with a cap on the teams that can spend and the control of rights for 6 seasons, you are generating entire offseasons where big market teams are sitting out and a prime FA is having to choose between low ball offers from mid market teams. Last year was a prime example. Machado to SD and Harper to Philly was a prime example of the bean counters trying to plan for the future in LA, BOS, and NYY when pretty much every team could have used them.

 

The players will demand one of two things.

 

1. 4 years of player control so players hit the market sooner.

2. Significantly raising the lux tax threshold and removing the draft pick penalty

[moonslav59]

The only thing the Sox have to include in a trade for Price is money.

 

Or, take back unwanted salary as a partial balance.

 

Price for Myers

 

Price for Odor

 

Price for Pollock (Then, trade JBJ)

 

Price for Herrera

 

Price for _____?

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox can write their own narrative on Price now. There are no other FAs that can be had that match up. Hence, the sox now have the market to themselves and without major outside options, they can drive their best bargain

[moonslav59]

The owners are going to need to concede on SOMETHING. As it stands right now, the owners own the rights of a player for 6 years and with the new analytics, the value is in those 6 seasons. Yes, the money was flowing this offseason, but the guys available this year were far better than most seasons. But with a cap on the teams that can spend and the control of rights for 6 seasons, you are generating entire offseasons where big market teams are sitting out and a prime FA is having to choose between low ball offers from mid market teams. Last year was a prime example. Machado to SD and Harper to Philly was a prime example of the bean counters trying to plan for the future in LA, BOS, and NYY when pretty much every team could have used them.

 

The players will demand one of two things.

 

1. 4 years of player control so players hit the market sooner.

2. Significantly raising the lux tax threshold and removing the draft pick penalty

 

I agree, and they should ask for a much higher minimum salary and 5 years of control- but with arbs starting 1 year earlier with a modest lux tax raise.

 

The draft pick penalty may stay.

[moonslav59]

The dark horse now is Anaheim. They got Bundy and Teheran, who are more back end guys. They’ve got Ohtani, who’s flashed ace production without the durability. They need a 2 or a 3. Price is stretching it as a 2 or a 3, albeit has higher upside than Teheran and is just flat out better than Bundy

 

This trade was accepted on the simulator site:

 

Price (+$9M), Chavis, Walden, Duran

 

for

 

Upton (owed $72M), Sandoval & 4 minor leaguers: Adams (OF), Jones (2B) Soriano (P) & Ktuger ©

 

(Upton's tax hit is $24M, so if we include $9M with Price, we'd save about $7M a year on the tax budget. More likely, we don't include the $9M and don't get Adams -worth 8.4).

[jacksonianmarch]

I absolutely do not take Upton back in a deal. He is owed a lot of money and is coming off a myriad of injuries in 2019. His brother was also pretty much done by this age and Upton is still signed for 3 more. Also, Justin is a thicker guy now with leg and foot issues. I'd rather just include money if I were the sox GM.

[harmony]

The only thing the Sox have to include in a trade for Price is money.

Although that works against the rumored goal of getting under the luxury tax threshold.

 

The inclusion of Mookie Betts in a David Price trade would probably solve that problem.

 

Interesting choices await.

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox would have to have a fallback option, though, should Price be dealt away. You cannot deal Price and expect Johnson to slide in and have the fans line up to watch that horror show

[moonslav59]

The sox would have to have a fallback option, though, should Price be dealt away. You cannot deal Price and expect Johnson to slide in and have the fans line up to watch that horror show

 

If we saved enough money by trading JBJ, too, we could sign a FA or two.

 

I still think some sort of Price and ____ for Pollock and Maeda might work best.

[mvp 78]

This trade was accepted on the simulator site:

 

Price (+$9M), Chavis, Walden, Duran

 

for

 

Upton (owed $72M), Sandoval & 4 minor leaguers: Adams (OF), Jones (2B) Soriano (P) & Ktuger ©

 

(Upton's tax hit is $24M, so if we include $9M with Price, we'd save about $7M a year on the tax budget. More likely, we don't include the $9M and don't get Adams -worth 8.4).

 

That doesn't get the Sox close enough to reset though?

[mvp 78]

The sox would have to have a fallback option, though, should Price be dealt away. You cannot deal Price and expect Johnson to slide in and have the fans line up to watch that horror show

 

They will probably use an opener every 5th day.

[Bellhorn04]

Although that works against the rumored goal of getting under the luxury tax threshold.

 

Only if one thinks it should all be done in one transaction.

[mvp 78]

Only if one thinks it should all be done in one transaction.

 

Rip the band aid off if you can IMO.

[OH FOY]

Price in Dodger Stadium, plus with the Pitchers Parks in the NL West, might be a good deal. Why not see what is offered back to the Sox for Mookie too?

[Bellhorn04]

Rip the band aid off if you can IMO.

 

I see no need to trade Mookie.

 

Trade Price & JBJ.

[jacksonianmarch]

I still think the Reds are your dark horse for Mookie. That team is built for 2020, so it makes sense for them to maximize their position on a one year player

[OH FOY]

Good Luck signing him, that's a gamble, once he hits FA.

[OH FOY]

If your going to sign Mookie, you got to sign him now. Too many teams will have bucks to throw next Off-Season.

[jacksonianmarch]

That’s the thing we all must get past. Mookie isn’t signing with ANYONE! He’s a one year rental then who ever offers the most money a year from now will get him for the rest of his career. He isn’t a guy you deal for and then negotiate an extension. He’s made a lot of money and he’s made it known he is going to the open market. Once everyone (media included) gets over the idea that the team acquiring him is getting anything more than a one year rental, then you can start seeing realistic deals out in place.

 

The Reds have shelled out money. They signed Moustakas. They dealt for and extended Gray. They dealt for Bauer, who is gonna leave after 2020. They’ve got an older version of Votto. They’ve got intriguing offensive players, but their OF needs work. Senzel is probably gonna be good but he’s young. Aquino is a WMP kind of player who you cannot count on. Schebler, meh. Their OF needs work and if they’re serious about contending in a down NL central, getting Mookie gives them that shot. The big thing Bloom needs to get over is the idea that he’s a long term asset to someone. If you think you’re dealing 9 years of Betts, then you’re gonna ask for the moon. One year of Betts? You can get something more realistic

[OH FOY]

Somebody is going to offer a Crazy Contract next Off-Season, and I wonder how this new regime will be? Henry will have final word of course, but does he listen to new Front Office. That's a gamble too.