Fire Chaim Bloom!

[dgalehouse]

The folks who applauded the hiring of Bloom are certainly going to give him a long leash. That is to be expected. The question is ; just how much losing will the rank and file Sox fans abide ?

[mvp 78]

The folks who applauded the hiring of Bloom are certainly going to give him a long leash. That is to be expected. The question is ; just how much losing will the rank and file Sox fans abide ?

 

Two years. Third year needs to be in playoff picture.

[notin]

Two years. Third year needs to be in playoff picture.

 

Cherington won a World Series, missed the post-season one time, and was replaced/quit before missing a second.

 

Historically, the leash does not look long...

[dgalehouse]

Cherington won a World Series, missed the post-season one time, and was replaced/quit before missing a second.

 

Historically, the leash does not look long...

Cherington was the Sox GM for four years . He won one championship, and finished last in the A.L. East three times .

[notin]

Cherington was the Sox GM for four years . He won one championship, and finished last in the A.L. East three times .

 

Technically 3+ years.

 

I seriously doubt the 2012 mess he inherited was held against him when the front office made the decision to hire Dombrowski. The title in 2013 had to wipe it clean.

 

And he was not around for the end of the 2015 season. They moved on DD during August of 2015. So that end result was not a factor in the decision to turnover the front office.

[mvp 78]

Cherington won a World Series, missed the post-season one time, and was replaced/quit before missing a second.

 

Historically, the leash does not look long...

 

He was enroute to a second straight last place finish in 2015. He didn't leave the org until after that season. Dombo came in that August. Team was already awful by then.

[mvp 78]

Technically 3+ years.

 

I seriously doubt the 2012 mess he inherited was held against him when the front office made the decision to hire Dombrowski. The title in 2013 had to wipe it clean.

 

And he was not around for the end of the 2015 season. They moved on DD during August of 2015. So that end result was not a factor in the decision to turnover the front office.

 

Were they good in 2015 prior to moving on from him? Why does the final tally matter when they were already sucking wind?

[dgalehouse]

Technically 3+ years.

 

I seriously doubt the 2012 mess he inherited was held against him when the front office made the decision to hire Dombrowski. The title in 2013 had to wipe it clean.

 

And he was not around for the end of the 2015 season. They moved on DD during August of 2015. So that end result was not a factor in the decision to turnover the front office.

 

When Dombrowski was brought in , the end result of the 2015 season was already pretty much settled.

[notin]

When Dombrowski was brought in , the end result of the 2015 season was already pretty much settled.

 

Missing the playoffs, yes. Last place? No. They actually had a good record by last place standards (78-84) and were basically a .500 team that could have just as easily finished in third place that year...

[dgalehouse]

Missing the playoffs, yes. Last place? No. They actually had a good record by last place standards (78-84) and were basically a .500 team that could have just as easily finished in third place that year...

 

In 2015 , the Sox went 26-18 after Dombrowski was hired . A significant improvement from what they had been doing up until then . That certainly helped to boost the overall record for the season as well.

[notin]

In 2015 , the Sox went 26-18 after Dombrowski was hired . A significant improvement from what they had been doing up until then . That certainly helped to boost the overall record for the season as well.

 

What's your point? (Are you implying the same team played better as a result of Dombrowski, who essentially did nothing the remainder of that season?)

 

My point was Cherington was not even given two losing seasons before Henry decided a change was needed. Beyond making sure Cherington cannot get mentioned without making sure any sentence with him also contains the phrase "three last place finishes in 4 years," did you have a point?

[dgalehouse]

Notin , I'm just stating the facts . You can do what you want with them. But don't say that Cherington got replaced because of one bad year . Nothing more for me to say . Have a nice day .

[Bellhorn04]

My point was Cherington was not even given two losing seasons before Henry decided a change was needed.

 

And Dombrowski didn't even have a losing season!

 

I think it's pretty clear it's not just the W-L record that caused Henry to make changes.

[notin]

Notin , I'm just stating the facts . You can do what you want with them. But don't say that Cherington got replaced because of one bad year . Nothing more for me to say . Have a nice day .

 

1. Not what I said. Unless you live in a world without decimals.

 

2. Are you saying my statement that "Cherington won a World Series, had one losing season and was replaced/quit before the second one finished" is NOT a fact?

 

3. Technically Lucchino got replaced and Cherington quit. Those are also facts.

Edited September 1, 2020 by notin

[notin]

And Dombrowski didn't even have a losing season!

 

I think it's pretty clear it's not just the W-L record that caused Henry to make changes.

 

That's a valid point. The Sox finished with the inverse record of Cherington's final (partial) season (84-78).

 

Of course, other rumors about Dombrowski's personality abounded as the reason for his dismissal. No idea if they are true. Or if it was the clear direction the team was headed with lots of big contracts lacking matching production. Or some combination of both...

[Kimmi]

The folks who applauded the hiring of Bloom are certainly going to give him a long leash. That is to be expected. The question is ; just how much losing will the rank and file Sox fans abide ?

 

I am a huge Bloom fan. I expect to be back in contention next season and will be disappointed if we're not.

 

With that said, results on the field don't always match up with how the team looks on paper. I know that the results on the field are the bottom line, but I can't blame a GM if he puts together a winning team and they don't come through, either because of underperformances, injuries, just plain randomness, or a combination of all three.

 

This year's offense, for instance, is not doing its job. That's not Bloom's fault.

[oldtimer]

I am a huge Bloom fan. I expect to be back in contention next season and will be disappointed if we're not.

 

With that said, results on the field don't always match up with how the team looks on paper. I know that the results on the field are the bottom line, but I can't blame a GM if he puts together a winning team and they don't come through, either because of underperformances, injuries, just plain randomness, or a combination of all three.

 

This year's offense, for instance, is not doing its job. That's not Bloom's fault.

Bloom needs to consider management and coaching changes for 2021. We need more enthusiasm and more demanding leaders. Why are so many of our players under performing? It's on the players but also on the atmosphere and expectations. If the players are not capable, replace them. If it is in their heads, help them.

[jad]

I am a huge Bloom fan. I expect to be back in contention next season and will be disappointed if we're not.

 

With that said, results on the field don't always match up with how the team looks on paper. I know that the results on the field are the bottom line, but I can't blame a GM if he puts together a winning team and they don't come through, either because of underperformances, injuries, just plain randomness, or a combination of all three.

 

This year's offense, for instance, is not doing its job. That's not Bloom's fault.

 

It's not? Maybe I don't remember clearly, but did he not get rid of one of the best hitters in the league?

[vegasbob]

Bloom needs to consider management and coaching changes for 2021. We need more enthusiasm and more demanding leaders. Why are so many of our players under performing? It's on the players but also on the atmosphere and expectations. If the players are not capable, replace them. If it is in their heads, help them.

 

Pretty much agreed. Baseball managerial/coaching changes ore 90% players and 10% BV factor. Forgetting the pitching, the position players did not seem ready for the first 1-15 games, except for X. Vaz, JBJr, Pillar opened up reasonably well but the trio of Beni, Devers, JDM made the bad pitching look even worse. That may be on RR and his crew of coaches. On the other hand , even Joe Maddon with all his motivational gimmicks can't make the Angels anything except the next worse (marginally) team to the Sox.

[notin]

It's not? Maybe I don't remember clearly, but did he not get rid of one of the best hitters in the league?

 

Betts has a .991 OPS. But we did replace him with Verdugo and his .893 OPS....

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Betts has a .991 OPS. But we did replace him with Verdugo and his .893 OPS....

 

That stat right there shows Sox fans they can totally trust Bloom -- he told you they wouldn't be as good..

[jacksonianmarch]

I am a huge Bloom fan. I expect to be back in contention next season and will be disappointed if we're not.

 

With that said, results on the field don't always match up with how the team looks on paper. I know that the results on the field are the bottom line, but I can't blame a GM if he puts together a winning team and they don't come through, either because of underperformances, injuries, just plain randomness, or a combination of all three.

 

This year's offense, for instance, is not doing its job. That's not Bloom's fault.

 

It’s very difficult for an offense to find its mojo when they’re always playing from behind and if no lead is safe.

 

I’m also puzzled by your comment about contention. If you’re a Bloom fan and the Sox end up in contention next year, then that means the Sox did the anti-Bloom thing and spent a ton of money. Also, if your goal is to build into contention and the Sox “contend” next year, then they won’t fully rebuild. I’ve said it many times, it’s really hard to be average and build something in baseball

[Larry Cook]

I have no idea what instructions ownership gave hang’em Chaim, but I think he is following their directives. As such, this offseason is really important for gang.’em Chaim and the team.

 

I see the to do list as follows:

 

1.) We need a new manager. I would like to see us bring Cora back.

2.) starting pitching. We need at least 2.

3.) relief pitching. A half dozen would be nice.

4.) let Bradley leave, sign a replacement.

 

With these adjustments, I think we can at least be semi competitive next season.

[oldtimer]

It’s very difficult for an offense to find its mojo when they’re always playing from behind and if no lead is safe.

 

I’m also puzzled by your comment about contention. If you’re a Bloom fan and the Sox end up in contention next year, then that means the Sox did the anti-Bloom thing anid spent a ton of money. Also, if your goal is to build into contention and the Sox “contend” next year, then they won’t fully rebuild. I’ve said it many times, it’s really hard to be average and build something in baseball

I think what Kimmi means is the club will be competitive in 2021 but unlikely to be contending for a deep playoff run. She can of course speak for herself, but the Sox have a long way to go to be back in contention and it will likely take a number of positive steps and time (2022 at least) to rebuild the team and strengthen the minors. so far Bloom is doing what I would have expected given the constraints and the state of things when he got here.

[jad]

It’s very difficult for an offense to find its mojo when they’re always playing from behind and if no lead is safe.

 

I’m also puzzled by your comment about contention. If you’re a Bloom fan and the Sox end up in contention next year, then that means the Sox did the anti-Bloom thing and spent a ton of money. Also, if your goal is to build into contention and the Sox “contend” next year, then they won’t fully rebuild. I’ve said it many times, it’s really hard to be average and build something in baseball

 

Totally agree. I also do not understand K's definition of the "winning team" Bloom put together. A winning team is a team that wins. This team does not.

[jacksonianmarch]

Totally agree. I also do not understand K's definition of the "winning team" Bloom put together. A winning team is a team that wins. This team does not.

 

And I think that’s by design. Bloom is likely looking at his Ray’s predecessor as a guidance for what he wants to do. Andrew Friedman has shown the world how the Rays style can translate to a big market club. He certainly spends to keep his stars, but his farm system is phenomenal for a team picking late in every draft and yet he doesn’t burn it down to win now. That’s what he wants to build.

 

Listen, I think Bloom is your most valuable asset. I sure as s*** don’t want to see a Dodger level sustained period of elite performance while having a near unlimited farm full of elite prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

Totally agree. I also do not understand K's definition of the "winning team" Bloom put together. A winning team is a team that wins. This team does not.

 

She was talking about next season.

[Kimmi]

Bloom needs to consider management and coaching changes for 2021. We need more enthusiasm and more demanding leaders. Why are so many of our players under performing? It's on the players but also on the atmosphere and expectations. If the players are not capable, replace them. If it is in their heads, help them.

 

I agree. I'm not trying to blame this season on Roenicke, but I don't see great leadership in the clubhouse, and that starts with Roenicke. I'm not saying that this team doesn't have leaders. It does. But I don't think the leadership is very present this year. In fairness, a lot of that could be due to the COVID situation.

 

I read a tweet this morning about how calm Roenicke has remained this season. Maybe he needs a little more fire in him to get his players fired up? I don't know.

[Kimmi]

It's not? Maybe I don't remember clearly, but did he not get rid of one of the best hitters in the league?

 

Trading Mookie did not leave this team noncompetitive.

[Kimmi]

It’s very difficult for an offense to find its mojo when they’re always playing from behind and if no lead is safe.

 

I’m also puzzled by your comment about contention. If you’re a Bloom fan and the Sox end up in contention next year, then that means the Sox did the anti-Bloom thing and spent a ton of money. Also, if your goal is to build into contention and the Sox “contend” next year, then they won’t fully rebuild. I’ve said it many times, it’s really hard to be average and build something in baseball

 

I don't disagree with your first statement, but the talent is there. It's not like Bloom assembled a bunch of scrubs for position players.

 

Bloom is going to assemble a contending team by doing the Bloom thing. That's why he was hired. He is not going to spend unwisely, and he will continue to strengthen our farm in the process.

 

Once again, you need to stop with the 'massive rebuild' posts. As much as you'd like to believe it, this team is not in as bad of shape as you think it is.

 

I think Bloom scares you.