Good Bye Yankees

[Monster24]

Hi: new poster, old Sox fan here. Been reading this site all year, living/dying for Boston half a century.

 

With the Yanks eliminated, it's a relief. Now most of us can relax and enjoy a World Series without the stress of rooting for or against personal heroes and demons. NY had a great, basically miraculous season overcoming all those injuries; it's too bad the majority of their fans view every year that they don't win the final game as a failure (young New England sports fans are probably growing up the same way, which is unfathomable to old timers).

 

I'm not gloating about the 2018 ALCS -- the Sox beat Cole and Verlander, but let's not forget that Altuve and Correa were both hobbled and neither could hit with power...

 

True Astros were banged up but injuries part of the game. If Rice in 75 ,Evans in 78 and Lowell and Beckett in 08 didnt get hurt Sox could have conceivably won a title or advanced further in those years

[S5Dewey]

That is quite passive aggressive now isn't it.

 

It wasn't intended to be passive-aggressive at all. I still think it's a good question.

 

If I were to walk into a Yankees bar and start extolling the virtues of the Boston Red Sox I'd expect to get a lot of pushback. I'd even expect some of it to be physical - which is a very good reason why I wouldn't do it! But if I did I wouldn't whine about it. I'd have known what I was getting into when I walked in the door.

[a700hitter]

More despicable behavior by Yankee fans.

 

[Larry Cook]

I have the perfect cure to the Yankees choking problems. Hire desperate Dave and fire cashman!

[Tedballgame]

That is quite passive aggressive now isn't it. Nah, Teddy Ballgame follows me around with the same exact message. He's like my little lap troll. I should stop leaving out the water and the baby goats and maybe the troll will starve

I'm not the guy who comes on a Red Sox board to talk about the Skankees. Nobody wants to hear you bragging about the Skankees. Go find a Yankee board! If you come in here, expect to hear it.

[Slasher9]

More despicable behavior by Yankee fans.

 

Link no work.

[notin]

Link no work.

 

 

Try it now...

[FredLynn]

Red Sox and Yankee fans hating each others' teams is not a bad thing, as long as those emotions are confined to things like trash talk on forums like this.

 

If you don't at least dislike the Yankees, why are you happy they lost?

 

That word, "hate", is being tossed around here, but it is not really accurate. For me its really reserved for people who commit immoral crimes in real life. I love trash talking to our rival Yankee fans and certainly would not want them to win another game as long as baseball lives.....but in this context real hate is not an accurate description, as every Sox fan knows. I think you are right: "dislike" is more accurate.

[FredLynn]

I'm not the guy who comes on a Red Sox board to talk about the Skankees. Nobody wants to hear you bragging about the Skankees. Go find a Yankee board! If you come in here, expect to hear it.

 

Your act is getting old.

[FredLynn]

First let me say that I disagree that our team did not play hard. Our starting pitching just didn't have it in them this year, for whatever reason.

 

Gloating is not the right word. Celebrating? Absolutely. When your team is eliminated, you pull for your arch rivals to lose, and celebrate when they do. That's just the way it is.

 

I think certain Sox players played hard at times. But all season long there were too many mental errors on the part of both the players and the manager to ignore. I know you weren't on the game threads much, but many of us who were mentioned them at the time. Baserunning blunders over and over again; poor decisions on the field; Cora failing to put his players in the best possible position to win a game; Cora failing to get is SPs ready for game one...and so forth. Its a matter of opinion, but to me, these guys did not play with the same focus and intensity this year as last. The talent was there to be competitive, but they simply were not into the games too often. Thats my opinion and I am sticking with it.

[Slasher9]

 

Try it now...

 

The verbal abuse is expected. Throwing a beer at the dude is typical Dbag Yankees fan ********

[a700hitter]

The verbal abuse is expected. Throwing a beer at the dude is typical Dbag Yankees fan ********

When this new stadium opened, the ticket prices were so high that they priced out most of the scum element. Apparently, wages have caught up with ticket prices, and the scummy Yankee fans are back.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

True Astros were banged up but injuries part of the game. If Rice in 75 ,Evans in 78 and Lowell and Beckett in 08 didnt get hurt Sox could have conceivably won a title or advanced further in those years

 

Tony C in 67...

 

I'm not sticking up for the Yankees, but the year they just had with the bench warmers coming in first was a rare feat. NY could sign Rendon and Cole and trade for Lindor and still not win 103 next year. Change comes fast: Boston led the league in runs scored and ops in '18, and then batters walked in '19...

[Bellhorn04]

Change comes fast: Boston led the league in runs scored and ops in '18, and then batters walked in '19...

 

Batters walked in '19 - what does that mean?

[illinoisredsox]

Batters walked in '19 - what does that mean?

 

Well, they did draw more walks in 2019 than they did in 2018 LOL

[moonslav59]

When this new stadium opened, the ticket prices were so high that they priced out most of the scum element. Apparently, wages have caught up with ticket prices, and the scummy Yankee fans are back.

 

Or, scum has reached the upper middle class.

[FredLynn]

Or, scum has reached the upper middle class.

 

Scum knows no financial limits.

[S5Dewey]

Or, scum has reached the upper middle class.

 

Are you familiar with "trickledown"?

[moonslav59]

Are you familiar with "trickledown"?

 

Better known as trickled on.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Batters walked in '19 - what does that mean?

 

Boston pitchers led the league in bases on balls issued. That's how bad the Red Sox were this season, and why their games took forever to watch.

[Bellhorn04]

Boston pitchers led the league in bases on balls issued. That's how bad the Red Sox were this season, and why their games took forever to watch.

 

Got it. I thought you were talking about our offense.

[Tedballgame]

Your act is getting old.

That really hurts my feelings. If I valued your opinion it might make a difference. But, since I don't, it doesn't matter what you think.

[jacksonianmarch]

I have the perfect cure to the Yankees choking problems. Hire desperate Dave and fire cashman!

 

Believe me, I’ve thought about that possibility. Twice we came up against these Astros and twice we took them deep into a series, yet twice we went home. We’ve lost to the eventual champs the last two years. I’m pretty sure it’ll be three in a row. It’s time to make a bigger juggernaut

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's almost seems lately as if someone upstairs is preventing Cashman from committing the big bucks to marquee free agents. I thought for sure the Yanks would've signed Machado or Harper, though the former would've made more sense in that they could've dealt Andujar for pitching depth. Do you think George would've opened the purse for either? Or at least make both Cole and Strasburg offers they can't refuse?

 

I'm pretty convinced DD wasn't allowed to make any deals at the last deadline (esp. after Henry's quote, "We're not looking to add payroll"). Standing pat just isn't in DD's nature, and a surplus third base prospect like Dalbec surely could've netted someone like Hudson, the new closer for the NL champs.

[Slasher9]

George would 100% sign both cole & strasburg this offseason. no doubt about it.

the sons are more interested in their own bank account then the need for parades.

[moonslav59]

George would 100% sign both cole & strasburg this offseason. no doubt about it.

the sons are more interested in their own bank account then the need for parades.

 

Now that they reset, we'll see if this is true or not.

[Slasher9]

Now that they reset, we'll see if this is true or not.

 

the only way to find out if its true is to bring George back to life??? can we do that yet?

[notin]

the only way to find out if its true is to bring George back to life??? can we do that yet?

 

We can do it with Microsoft AI, according to Common...

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yanks have spent for sure. They’re just averse to long term contracts for pitchers. Right now, Hicks at 6 more years and Stanton at 8 more years, are our long term deals. Our longest non arb pitcher deal is Severino and his deal was for four seasons. There was an interesting stat making the rounds that we have not signed a starting pitcher for more than 4 years since we signed Tanaka prior to 2015. And they haven’t offered a pitcher more than 5 years since that time as well, which is why Corbin is playing in Washington. Chapman was our longest pitcher deal since Tanaka and at this point it was a resounding success.

 

What Cashman needs to be willing to do is to go the extra mile for the top tier guys. Corbin wasn’t top tier, so I get the aversion. But Cole and Strasburg are top tier arms and a price comes with them. Typically, the top tier arms don’t Carl Pavano you. Even when they show diminished stuff like Price did on signing, they still give good to great production for the first half of the contract. Also, Cole just turned 29, so he’ll be a year younger than Price was on signing his deal.

 

Now Strasburg will likely come cheaper than Cole. Strasburg is 31 and has quite the injury history. So maybe he fits the 5 year window the yanks are willing to offer. But the price on him is gonna be closer to $25-$28 mil AAV. Cole is 29, and has thrown 200+ IP 4 of the last 5 seasons. He’s also the most dominant force in baseball right now. He’s gonna get a 7-8 year deal likely with an AAV over $32 mil. Now, maybe the Yanks get creative and turn it into a 3 yr deal? 8 yr $240 mil deal with half the contract coming in the first 3 seasons and an opt out? Who knows, but the price will be very steep and we need to be willing to pay it

[notin]

The Yanks have spent for sure. They’re just averse to long term contracts for pitchers. Right now, Hicks at 6 more years and Stanton at 8 more years, are our long term deals. Our longest non arb pitcher deal is Severino and his deal was for four seasons. There was an interesting stat making the rounds that we have not signed a starting pitcher for more than 4 years since we signed Tanaka prior to 2015. And they haven’t offered a pitcher more than 5 years since that time as well, which is why Corbin is playing in Washington. Chapman was our longest pitcher deal since Tanaka and at this point it was a resounding success.

 

What Cashman needs to be willing to do is to go the extra mile for the top tier guys. Corbin wasn’t top tier, so I get the aversion. But Cole and Strasburg are top tier arms and a price comes with them. Typically, the top tier arms don’t Carl Pavano you. Even when they show diminished stuff like Price did on signing, they still give good to great production for the first half of the contract. Also, Cole just turned 29, so he’ll be a year younger than Price was on signing his deal.

 

Now Strasburg will likely come cheaper than Cole. Strasburg is 31 and has quite the injury history. So maybe he fits the 5 year window the yanks are willing to offer. But the price on him is gonna be closer to $25-$28 mil AAV. Cole is 29, and has thrown 200+ IP 4 of the last 5 seasons. He’s also the most dominant force in baseball right now. He’s gonna get a 7-8 year deal likely with an AAV over $32 mil. Now, maybe the Yanks get creative and turn it into a 3 yr deal? 8 yr $240 mil deal with half the contract coming in the first 3 seasons and an opt out? Who knows, but the price will be very steep and we need to be willing to pay it

 

 

Price was coming off a season with a career high 6.7 fWAR and his average fastball velocity was up a full mph over the previous season when the Sox signed him. Not sure where you get your stuff, but you're not going to shake your reputation for denigrating all things Red Sox while praising all things Yankee with statements like this...