Mookie Betts: Trade or Extend

[Hugh2]

I don't have the patience to read through 11 pages so I apologize if I'm reiterating other voices. There's a case to trade and retain any good player depending on what the price is. The extension Bogaerts signed made it clear he's the type of guy you extend, but if Betts wants top dollar I think you have to at least entertain the thought of trading him.

 

He could completely restock the system. This team could easily be as good as they were in 2018 next year, however, so perhaps you see how good you play this year and if you're in a position where the Yankees have a strong command of 1st place perhaps you trade him at the deadline.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't have the patience to read through 11 pages so I apologize if I'm reiterating other voices. There's a case to trade and retain any good player depending on what the price is. The extension Bogaerts signed made it clear he's the type of guy you extend, but if Betts wants top dollar I think you have to at least entertain the thought of trading him.

 

He could completely restock the system.

 

I'm not sure the return will be that spectacular. The acquiring team will only get him for one season, and a very highly-paid season at that, which limits the number of teams interested.

[Slasher9]

I'm not sure the return will be that spectacular. The acquiring team will only get him for one season, and a very highly-paid season at that, which limits the number of teams interested.

 

i would love some of the dodgers prospects. if they dont win it again this year...perhaps?

[moonslav59]

i would love some of the dodgers prospects. if they dont win it again this year...perhaps?

 

They have a very solid OF, so I'm not sure it's a good fit.

[notin]

I'm not sure the return will be that spectacular. The acquiring team will only get him for one season, and a very highly-paid season at that, which limits the number of teams interested.

 

Baseballtradevalus.com does think he still has significant trade value. Not enough to get Gavin Lux. But currently he is about equal to Dustin May or Keibert Ruiz. Hardly a restock, but it does mean a new number one prospect for Boston.

 

It is only one expensive season, but it is also likely to be an 8-10 fWAR season...

[Carpin]

Baseballtradevalus.com does think he still has significant trade value. Not enough to get Gavin Lux. But currently he is about equal to Dustin May or Keibert Ruiz. Hardly a restock, but it does mean a new number one prospect for Boston.

 

It is only one expensive season, but it is also likely to be an 8-10 fWAR season...

 

If the Sox trade him, they can include some cash to increase the return which will make Betts affordable for small market teams with good farm systems.

 

BTW, I think Betts is more a 6-8 WAR player, still very very good,the only player I'd bet on having over 8 WAR every year is Trout.

 

The dark horse for Betts, if the Sox decide to ship him out, could be the White Sox, they have the cash and are very close to become relevant again.

[Bellhorn04]

If the Sox trade him, they can include some cash to increase the return which will make Betts affordable for small market teams with good farm systems.

 

BTW, I think Betts is more a 6-8 WAR player, still very very good,the only player I'd bet on having over 8 WAR every year is Trout.

 

The dark horse for Betts, if the Sox decide to ship him out, could be the White Sox, they have the cash and are very close to become relevant again.

 

But are the 68-87 White Sox really ready to contend in 2020?

 

They made a big bid for Machado, so it does appear they're ready to spend.

[Carpin]

But are the 68-87 White Sox really ready to contend in 2020?

 

They made a big bid for Machado, so it does appear they're ready to spend.

 

Betts might take them to the next level, they have the talent in the ML roster right and a very strong farm. If they think they can resign him they might go for it.

[jad]

Most of the insanely wealthy are insanely intelligent, at least in some area(s).

 

(Note: Trump is a pretender 1%'er.)

 

You must travel in a different circle from mine. But let's just talk sports franchise owners: the only names I can think of are: Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, (once) Donald Sterling, Jeanie Buss, the guy who owns the Sacramento Kings, Derek Jeter (?), (the dude who used to own the Colts)--hardly geniuses ... Maybe the ones I can't think of are infinitely smarter than the few I can.

[moonslav59]

You must travel in a different circle from mine. But let's just talk sports franchise owners: the only names I can think of are: Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, (once) Donald Sterling, Jeanie Buss, the guy who owns the Sacramento Kings, Derek Jeter (?), (the dude who used to own the Colts)--hardly geniuses ... Maybe the ones I can't think of are infinitely smarter than the few I can.

 

Are those guys 1%'ers?

 

I think not.

[Bellhorn04]

You must travel in a different circle from mine. But let's just talk sports franchise owners: the only names I can think of are: Dan Snyder, Jerry Jones, (once) Donald Sterling, Jeanie Buss, the guy who owns the Sacramento Kings, Derek Jeter (?), (the dude who used to own the Colts)--hardly geniuses ... Maybe the ones I can't think of are infinitely smarter than the few I can.

 

The problem is that there are different ways to define intelligence. Jerry Jones, for example, often comes across as a buffoon, but I'm sure he has a lot of smarts in areas that many of his intellectual superiors wouldn't have a clue about.

[jad]

Are those guys 1%'ers?

 

I think not.

 

They're not? (DTS was just handed a check for over 2 billion dollars). You think there are over 3 million Americans with more than that? (Yikes!) (Actually, the figure for 1% is $10million net worth. Even dumb-ass athletes have that much!)

[cp176]

Most of the insanely wealthy are insanely intelligent, at least in some area(s).

 

(Note: Trump is a pretender 1%'er.)

 

Someone must like you very much here or you would not get away with this. Two subjects that i personally try to stay away from and i be that you can guess what they might be.

[moonslav59]

They're not? (DTS was just handed a check for over 2 billion dollars). You think there are over 3 million Americans with more than that? (Yikes!) (Actually, the figure for 1% is $10million net worth. Even dumb-ass athletes have that much!)

 

Yes, you are right. I was thinking more of those who earner their way into the top 1% vs those who were born into it.

 

My bad.

[jad]

Yes, you are right. I was thinking more of those who earner their way into the top 1% vs those who were born into it.

 

My bad.

 

Agreed. I knew we were talking at cross-purposes somehow. It's extremely difficult to earn one's way there. Because (alas!) the surest way to the 1% (or the 10%, or even the 50%) is to be born into it.

[illinoisredsox]

They're not? (DTS was just handed a check for over 2 billion dollars). You think there are over 3 million Americans with more than that? (Yikes!) (Actually, the figure for 1% is $10million net worth. Even dumb-ass athletes have that much!)

 

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

 

And if you want to talk top 1% of wage earners, every player making the major league minimum is in that. (That level kicks in at around $421K).

[sk7326]

Most of the insanely wealthy are insanely intelligent, at least in some area(s).

 

(Note: Trump is a pretender 1%'er.)

 

Or (more likely) their parents or grandparents were.

[Bellhorn04]

Or (more likely) their parents or grandparents were.

 

I'm guessing it can be broken down statistically between inherited wealth and self-made wealth.

[fxkatt]

Betts to Mets for Nimmo, Smith, Gsellman, and Mauricio. Have seen this in a couple places. Devers to lb, Nimmo to 3rd, Mauricio (18 years old ss) soon to 2nd; Gsellman to the middle of the pen; and Smith to the outfield where, he says, he'll be ready to play next season. This might work if the Mets replace Gsellman with one of their decent starters. Obviously Betts would be a big boost to the Mets outfield.

[harmony]

Betts to Mets for Nimmo, Smith, Gsellman, and Mauricio. Have seen this in a couple places. Devers to lb, Nimmo to 3rd, Mauricio (18 years old ss) soon to 2nd; Gsellman to the middle of the pen; and Smith to the outfield where, he says, he'll be ready to play next season. This might work if the Mets replace Gsellman with one of their decent starters. Obviously Betts would be a big boost to the Mets outfield.

Brandon Nimmo has never played third base:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=nimmo-000bra

[fxkatt]

Brandon Nimmo has never played third base:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=nimmo-000bra

 

Ah, I was convinced he played third.... all the better tho, because Smith to first base where he belongs, and Devers stays at third. And Nimmo is one more outfielder to absorb the Betts loss.

[notin]

Betts to Mets for Nimmo, Smith, Gsellman, and Mauricio. Have seen this in a couple places. Devers to lb, Nimmo to 3rd, Mauricio (18 years old ss) soon to 2nd; Gsellman to the middle of the pen; and Smith to the outfield where, he says, he'll be ready to play next season. This might work if the Mets replace Gsellman with one of their decent starters. Obviously Betts would be a big boost to the Mets outfield.

 

No way the Mets give up all that for one year of Betts.

 

A simper deal of just Nimmo, Smith, and Gsellman seems more fair. Or if the Mets substitute Matz for Gsellman.

 

And the Mets are not trading Ronny Mauricio for a rental outfielder...

[notin]

The Nationals reportedly offered a 7 year $210mill extension to Anthony Rendon.

 

The price for Betts just went up a little...

[Slasher9]

rumor from inside teh Fens has JDM opt out and Betts trade happening right after WS is over.

i hope we get Betts back in 2021.....

[jacksonianmarch]

rumor from inside teh Fens has JDM opt out and Betts trade happening right after WS is over.

i hope we get Betts back in 2021.....

 

A Betts trade isn't going to come together that rapidly, IMO, unless the sox have already gotten an offer they love. Post season failures could drive the price up for a team like the Nationals or the Dodgers who are at the end of a long run of success.

[notin]

A Betts trade isn't going to come together that rapidly, IMO, unless the sox have already gotten an offer they love. Post season failures could drive the price up for a team like the Nationals or the Dodgers who are at the end of a long run of success.

 

Trades rarely fall together quickly. The first step is the contract review, which has probably already happened. and the Sox might have some contingency offers on the table.

 

But I would think nothing would happen until after Qualifying Offers are extended and either accepted or rejected. If, say, the Cardinals extend an offer to Marcell Ozuna and he rejects it, they become another team that might be interested...

[notin]

A Betts trade isn't going to come together that rapidly, IMO, unless the sox have already gotten an offer they love. Post season failures could drive the price up for a team like the Nationals or the Dodgers who are at the end of a long run of success.

 

The Nationals don't seem like players for Betts to me, since they have a full outfield with Soto, Robles and Eaton if they exercise his $9.5mill option, which they should.

 

Of course, they could exercise his option and include him in a trade for Betts. But their farm system is top heavy and bottom bare. It's hard to see them putting together a deal unless they decide to trade Carter Kieboom, which is VERY unlikely. Or if the Sox are willing to take 19yo Luis Garcia, which, while a good acquisition, does nothing for the 2020 or 2021 club...

[jacksonianmarch]

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/mookie-betts-removed-red-sox-season-ticket-web-page?fbclid=IwAR0_jec5vRt4sRCfwukfK2Pa1nWhtRbdmtmONDtIoZXeVLfhIgCwIGvCc5w

 

That is suspicious

[Bellhorn04]

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/mookie-betts-removed-red-sox-season-ticket-web-page?fbclid=IwAR0_jec5vRt4sRCfwukfK2Pa1nWhtRbdmtmONDtIoZXeVLfhIgCwIGvCc5w

 

That is suspicious

 

LOL yeah, Mookie's as good as gone now.

 

Whether Mookie was on it or not on it would draw attention. If he was on it people would say 'does this mean they're keeping him for sure?' or 'if they're thinking about trading him why would they put him on it?'

 

Just dumb s***.

[jacksonianmarch]

LOL yeah, Mookie's as good as gone now.

 

Whether Mookie was on it or not on it would draw attention. If he was on it people would say 'does this mean they're keeping him for sure?' or 'if they're thinking about trading him why would they put him on it?'

 

Just dumb s***.

 

It is interesting that he was removed from an advertisement for the coming year while still under contract