2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[YastrzemskI]

YAZ Dave gave up last night after watching the corpse of price pitch another 4 and a third and before him The death nail of Chris waaaaaaay baaaaaaack sale getting destroyed on prime time again .we are a s*** middle of the road club without those two *******s .

 

I know. I'm just so tired of watching this team get out pitched this year. It's been a damn nightmare.

[vegasbob]

If you couldn't figure out that this season was a reset of sorts all along, then you weren't thinking clearly. The expectation was for the team to be competitive, which in a very average way they are, then make a run into the playoffs to take their chances. That can happen but the consistency is not there to make a serious repeat run. Next year, the keys already are Price and Sale's performance . There will be roster turnover as Oldtimer notes, so that will become interesting during the long, long off season for this bunch.

[harmony]

You have to have stuff of value to get value; lack of moves is as much about the barrenness of the Sox farm system as anything else. They couldn’t plug one hole without creating another. Example, you trade Beni for a bull pen piece and backfill with who?

In hindsight a year from now Red Sox fans may appreciate today's inaction.

 

Or not.

[YastrzemskI]

I'm frankly stunned at all the naysayers now lambasting DD for not making a move when he in fact has already done just that.

 

He traded for Cashner, and moved Eovaldi to the bullpen, which should have enough to get the job done. Throwing a bunch more middling relievers at the problem ain't going to fix it. And the price for Diaz was too high.

 

And just maybe Cashner can be as good as his last start and become a reliable 5th starter.

 

As far as I am concerned, DD has done his job.

 

I also think it's time for Sale, Price, and Porcello to get their heads on straight and start earning some of the insane amount of money they are being paid.

 

 

I have been calling for this team to add two BP arms for the stretch run. Cashner is doing ok.. but I just don't think it is enough AS IS meaning everyone performs on the same level as they have since April) but all of us know that quite frankly.. CHRIS SALE needs to make a statement. A statement on the mound instead of behind the mike after yet another substandard outing.

He needs to go out and fckn' dominate the Skanks this weekend. If for no other reason then to build some confidence going forward. He does that, and maybe has another good subsequent start and then maybe some of us will start to believe that this team is capable in 2019.

Edited July 31, 2019 by YastrzemskI

[Bellhorn04]

If you couldn't figure out that this season was a reset of sorts all along, then you weren't thinking clearly.

 

How was it a reset? You could certainly call it a 'stand pat', but I don't think that's the same thing as a reset.

[YastrzemskI]

If you couldn't figure out that this season was a reset of sorts all along, then you weren't thinking clearly. The expectation was for the team to be competitive, which in a very average way they are, then make a run into the playoffs to take their chances. That can happen but the consistency is not there to make a serious repeat run. Next year, the keys already are Price and Sale's performance . There will be roster turnover as Oldtimer notes, so that will become interesting during the long, long off season for this bunch.

 

It is a reset year yes, but losing some key relievers has made this season a far cry from 2018. Sale and Price have been erratic so you have to expect that the fan base will be out for blood in expecting a few additions right? I don't think that there is anything strange with having those expectations.

[dgalehouse]

The Sox doing nothing at the deadline is not surprising . Dombrowski and Cora have said repeatedly that they think there is enough talent here to win it . So far , that has not happened . Will the final two months be different ? Possibly . We will find out soon enough .

[jung]

I would say that the guy that is really in mourning today is Jacko. His Yankmees are a slowly setting sun IMO.

 

Rays did a good job at the deadline. Made good small market team moves. But they are not going to the dance either IMO.

 

I am a little surprised that the Sox did not try to fit some arm or another in before Work, Barnes and Nate just to give the fans some talking points about a new look pen. But apparently they could not even make a deal for something like that without giving up too much.

Edited July 31, 2019 by jung

[jacksonianmarch]

I read what the DBacks wanted for Ray and I’m glad Cash passed. But I’m disappointed we did nothing when we needed a starter. My hope is that Severino is looking good and he’s the savior we were looking for.

 

The Astros sold out today. Martin, Beer, Bukauskas are very highly regarded. They’re doubling down for 2019. I can only hope they get knocked off before we see them

[bkzwhitestrican]

Greinke is really good but has been known throughout his career as someone who can't pitch in the spotlight. I'm curious to see how he'll handle the postseason.

[jacksonianmarch]

With the Sox not getting a pen arm, at least I’m reassured that the Sox did nothing to fix their problem while we have some reinforcements coming

[notin]

In hindsight a year from now Red Sox fans may appreciate today's inaction.

 

Or not.

 

I’m not happy.

 

I’m glad the Sox didn’t deal, say, Mata for a middle reliever. But Carl Edwards Jr was dealt for a 27yo career minor leaguer. (Edwards has had a rough MLB season to date, but it’s only been 15 IP. He’s no savior, but anyone who pushes Josh Smith down a rung on the depth chart is a good add in my book.)

 

Adam Kolarek was also acquired for nothing. Where was DD?

[notin]

With the Sox not getting a pen arm, at least I’m reassured that the Sox did nothing to fix their problem while we have some reinforcements coming

 

.... that may or may not work out within the condensed timeframe...

[notin]

Greinke is really good but has been known throughout his career as someone who can't pitch in the spotlight. I'm curious to see how he'll handle the postseason.

 

He has a respectable 4.03 ERA in 67 postseason innings spanning 9 seasons...

[FredLynn]

In hindsight a year from now Red Sox fans may appreciate today's inaction.

 

Or not.

 

It was absolutely the right move. If the current players cannot get the job done then adding a small piece isn't really going to matter.

[bkzwhitestrican]

He has a respectable 4.03 ERA in 67 postseason innings spanning 9 seasons...

 

Maybe my memory is serving me incorrectly. I remember he looked bad in the playoffs back when he was on the Brewers, and all the talk about him was that he folded under pressure. I also remember a couple of years ago he looked lousy pitching for the D'bags in the playoffs.

[harmony]

Greinke is really good but has been known throughout his career as someone who can't pitch in the spotlight. I'm curious to see how he'll handle the postseason.

Zack Greinke pitched well in four postseasons for the big-market Los Angeles Dodgers:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml

[bkzwhitestrican]

Zack Greinke pitched well in four postseasons for the big-market Los Angeles Dodgers:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/greinza01.shtml

 

Can't argue with the stats. But just to defend my memory..

 

Greinke with:

 

LAD: 2.38 ERA

MIL: 6.48 ERA

AZ: 7.27 ERA

 

Don't mind me, I'm just trying to convince myself that the Astros will be worse with another ace on their team.

[notin]

It was absolutely the right move. If the current players cannot get the job done then adding a small piece isn't really going to matter.

 

That’s what I was telling Steve Pearce last October...

[jacksonianmarch]

Trust me, I’m not happy. JA Crap is gonna be on the hill again. Cardiac Cripple Sabathia is gonna be on the mound again. Don’t have a problem with Tanaka-Paxton-German. I know Tanaka had another strange outing today, but he is nails in the postseason. But we need another guy. We cannot be doing the opener s*** in a playoff series. We are now at a point where we are relying on Severino and that’s not a good thing. Betances to the pen will be a big boost. Stanton plus all the other guys will be a boost to the offense. But we needed a starter and it sounds like the prices are astronomical. The fact that the Astros are paying Greinke and gave up 4 top flight prospects is absolutely mind boggling. The Astros just created their cliff

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Trade Deadline Winners: Astros. The best team in the AL got better by acquiring Grienke. Did they wait until the last minute to make the deal to keep the Yankees from countering? Maybe so. Biagini was a smart acquisition as well.

 

Houston also added reliever Joe Biagini, who has held righties to a .668 OPS this year with one homer in 126 plate appearances. (You know which team has a predominantly righty lineup? The Yankees.)

https://nypost.com/2019/07/31/making-sense-of-yankees-day-that-could-prove-catastrophic/

 

Trade Deadline Losers: Yankees. The Yankees had every opportunity to acquire Stroman, a guy with big-game pitching experience, and blew it. Cashman simply can't take this team to the next level, a new GM is needed more than a new manager was needed when Boone replaced Girardi.

 

On a side note, it'll be fun watching the Astros kick the crap out of the Yankees this year in the playoffs if the Yankees advance beyond the first round, which won't be easy to do.

[Maxbialystock]

I have been calling for this team to add two BP arms for the stretch run. Cashner is doing ok.. but I just don't think it is enough AS IS meaning everyone performs on the same level as they have since April) but all of us know that quite frankly.. CHRIS SALE needs to make a statement. A statement on the mound instead of behind the mike after yet another substandard outing.

He needs to go out and fckn' dominate the Skanks this weekend. If for no other reason then to build some confidence going forward. He does that, and maybe has another good subsequent start and then maybe some of us will start to believe that this team is capable in 2019.

 

If Sale were the only problem, I might see the value of adding further to the bullpen, but Price and Porcello also stink.

[vegasbob]

If Sale were the only problem, I might see the value of adding further to the bullpen, but Price and Porcello also stink.

 

And you are correct. When the veterans on the mound have been asked to step up , they have failed. The Sox are now 5-4 vs the Rays/Yankees over the last 9 games. Or 6-6 , if you include 3 with the Orioles. Go to NY this weekend and maybe pull off a miracle but more likely 2-2, 1-3, not good. The 2019 version of this team is a failure and significant retooling including some "big names" needs to happen this off season.

[OH FOY]

Wonder if any Teams were interested in Our Relievers, like DD said? Edited August 1, 2019 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

And you are correct. When the veterans on the mound have been asked to step up , they have failed. The Sox are now 5-4 vs the Rays/Yankees over the last 9 games. Or 6-6 , if you include 3 with the Orioles. Go to NY this weekend and maybe pull off a miracle but more likely 2-2, 1-3, not good. The 2019 version of this team is a failure and significant retooling including some "big names" needs to happen this off season.

 

If we fail to make the playoffs, I'd trade JBJ and reset the tax. I'd look for a 1 year rebuild and try to keep Betts after 2020.

 

Porcello, Moreland & Pearce would be gone.

 

We might not suck in 2020, because we'd still have Betts, Devers, Bogey, JD, Vaz, Beni and 4 rturning SP'ers, but I wouldn't spend a penny over the first tax line in 2020.

[FredLynn]

Nice to see that Henry is viewing the situation logically. He has fielded a team with a lot of talent, but due to lack of focus and will power they are not performing:

 

"“It’s not a luxury tax issue, it’s a question of how much money do we want to lose,” Red Sox owner John Henry (who owns Boston Globe Media Partners, including Boston.com) said before his team got clobbered by its biggest rival on an international stage. “We’re already over budget and we were substantially over our budget last year and this year. We’re not going to be looking to add a lot of payroll. And it’s hard to imagine fielding a better team. If we play up to our capabilities we’ll be fine. It’s a worthy team because we invested. Two years in a row we have the highest payroll. It’s not a matter of investment, it’s a matter of playing well. If we play up to our capabilities we will easily make the playoffs. That’s how I see it.”

Edited August 1, 2019 by FredLynn

[Maxbialystock]

Nice to see that Henry is viewing the situation logically. He has fielded a team with a lot of talent, but due to lack of focus and will power they are not performing:

 

"“It’s not a luxury tax issue, it’s a question of how much money do we want to lose,” Red Sox owner John Henry (who owns Boston Globe Media Partners, including Boston.com) said before his team got clobbered by its biggest rival on an international stage. “We’re already over budget and we were substantially over our budget last year and this year. We’re not going to be looking to add a lot of payroll. And it’s hard to imagine fielding a better team. If we play up to our capabilities we’ll be fine. It’s a worthy team because we invested. Two years in a row we have the highest payroll. It’s not a matter of investment, it’s a matter of playing well. If we play up to our capabilities we will easily make the playoffs. That’s how I see it.”

 

Nicely done, fredlynn. And I think John Henry is dead right.

[moonslav59]

Nicely done, fredlynn. And I think John Henry is dead right.

 

...and so were the posters who said all along that even Henry had limits on spending priorities.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

...and so were the posters who said all along that even Henry had limits on spending priorities.

 

 

and so were the posters who questioned the $23 mil given in 2019 to Eovaldi and Pearce while letting the pen rot. The budget is not unlimited. Hence, you should have some form of a pen so you can close out the winnable games that your highly expensive team is going to present to your pen

[dgalehouse]

I paid a mechanic plenty , but he did a lousy job with my car. I am going to keep bringing it back to him until he fixes it up to what I thought his capabilities were . My car still doesn't run right , but I am not going to pay another mechanic . Why should I ? I have spent plenty on the car already . Guess I'll walk .