The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[mvp 78]

hahaha. good point.

 

He'll be back at some point. I'd expect it to be early fall.

[Larry33]

Really you guys are going to crap on kid that has barely 35 or so games in so he in a little slump he showed more promise at the plate early in his career than JBJ ever did talk about someone who was lost at the plate . JBJ has been in a 7 year inconsistent slump with wait till next year attitude by some, other than his fluke in 2016 he has been dismal at the plate. He'll be lucky if he ever reach a .250 avg in his entire career so far that likely seem unreachable.

[kenmeister]

I was morbidly curious how JBJ stacks among qualified batting leaders in the AL.

 

Batting average: 88/88

On-base percentage: 87/88 (Chris Owings is 88)

Slugging percentage: 88/88

OPS: 88/88

WAR: 88/88 (by far, too)

 

JBJ and Chris Owings are the two worst in each category.

 

Also, looking at the 88 qualifying batters for RBIs, JBJ is tied for last with 5 with Billy Hamilton.

 

All in all, I've honestly never seen a worse start to a season by any non-catcher.

 

Back on May 10th I looked at how JBJ stacks up with the rest of the batters in the league, and basically found him 88/88 in most categories; i.e. the worst batter in the league. So now that it is June 5th, has he improved?

 

Batting average: 84/86

On-base percentage: 82/86

Slugging percentage: 83/86

OPS: 84/86

RBIs: tied for 121st.

 

So ... a couple guys dropped off, and he's ahead of Jeimer Candelario and Rougned Odor. Improvement? A smidgeon.

 

I'll check in again around the July 4th holiday.

[notin]

Back on May 10th I looked at how JBJ stacks up with the rest of the batters in the league, and basically found him 88/88 in most categories; i.e. the worst batter in the league. So now that it is June 5th, has he improved?

 

Batting average: 84/86

On-base percentage: 82/86

Slugging percentage: 83/86

OPS: 84/86

RBIs: tied for 121st.

 

So ... a couple guys dropped off, and he's ahead of Jeimer Candelario and Rougned Odor. Improvement? A smidgeon.

 

I'll check in again around the July 4th holiday.

 

But have you ever seen a worse stat to a season from a player who received MVP votes the year before than Jose Ramirez in 2019?

 

His numbers are very Bradley-esque...

[kenmeister]

But have you ever seen a worse stat to a season from a player who received MVP votes the year before than Jose Ramirez in 2019?

 

His numbers are very Bradley-esque...

 

Holy cow his numbers are bad!

[mvp 78]

But have you ever seen a worse stat to a season from a player who received MVP votes the year before than Jose Ramirez in 2019?

 

His numbers are very Bradley-esque...

 

My fantasy team needs him to come around any day now.

[oldtimer]

Until we find a true 2Bman, Chavis will not be in the OF.

 

I don't see us acquiring a second baseman this season, so Chavis will play 2nd, 1st and DH. When Moreland comes back, he can share time with him until Pearce comes back and maybe longer. I would think we have a valuable hitting coach in JDM and maybe he can guide Chavis with respect to hitting the high heat. That big swing makes it hard for him to handle 95 up in the zone.

[vegasbob]

Back on May 10th I looked at how JBJ stacks up with the rest of the batters in the league, and basically found him 88/88 in most categories; i.e. the worst batter in the league. So now that it is June 5th, has he improved?

 

Batting average: 84/86

On-base percentage: 82/86

Slugging percentage: 83/86

OPS: 84/86

RBIs: tied for 121st.

 

So ... a couple guys dropped off, and he's ahead of Jeimer Candelario and Rougned Odor. Improvement? A smidgeon.

 

I'll check in again around the July 4th holiday.

 

Please keep this monthly+- recap going. Regrettably for everyone including Jackie, it is an epic weak single season to date.

[moonslav59]

He was god awful until May 20th but has done well since.

[Elktonnick]

He was god awful until May 20th but has done well since.

 

For what its worth IMO JBJ's problems have been two fold, when he goes the other way and looks to drive the ball to left field he does well. When he gets pull happy he does not. Secondly he has a tendency to let his swing get too long. When does that his tends to lift his head and eyes off the ball and he swings and misses.

[moonslav59]

For what its worth IMO JBJ's problems have been two fold, when he goes the other way and looks to drive the ball to left field he does well. When he gets pull happy he does not. Secondly he has a tendency to let his swing get too long. When does that his tends to lift his head and eyes off the ball and he swings and misses.

 

Both are common to many players. It just gets stuck with JBJ for weeks and weeks before he can pull himself out of it.

 

He's done well over the last 3 weeks, so let's hoe that's the JBJ we'll see for the rest of the year.

[Elktonnick]

Both are common to many players. It just gets stuck with JBJ for weeks and weeks before he can pull himself out of it.

 

He's done well over the last 3 weeks, so let's hoe that's the JBJ we'll see for the rest of the year.

 

He has done well because he has been going to left field. JBJ's problem is that he actually believes he can be a pull hitter. He has success going left, gets a bit over confident, tries pulling the ball and the cycle begins all over again. Quite frankly if it weren't for his glove most other clubs would have given up on him already.

[moonslav59]

Sox OPS last 28 Days:

 

65+ PAs unless noted

 

1.130 Bogey

1.024 JD

.995 Devers

.993 Moreland (45 PAs)

.929 Holt (21)

.877 JBJ

.790 Pearce (39)

.790 Vaz

.767 Leon (31)

.743 Betts

.727 Nunez (41)

.697 Beni

.685 Chavis

 

[devildavid]

Sox OPS last 28 Days:

 

65+ PAs unless noted

 

1.130 Bogey

1.024 JD

.995 Devers

.993 Moreland (45 PAs)

.929 Holt (21)

.877 JBJ

.790 Pearce (39)

.790 Vaz

.767 Leon (31)

.743 Betts

.727 Nunez (41)

.697 Beni

.685 Chavis

 

 

And as I pointed out, JBJ's OPS is driven largely by extra base hits. In the last 28 days he has hit 6 of his 9 doubles and all 4 of his home runs for the season.

[Elktonnick]

Sox OPS last 28 Days:

 

65+ PAs unless noted

 

1.130 Bogey

1.024 JD

.995 Devers

.993 Moreland (45 PAs)

.929 Holt (21)

.877 JBJ

.790 Pearce (39)

.790 Vaz

.767 Leon (31)

.743 Betts

.727 Nunez (41)

.697 Beni

.685 Chavis

 

 

I know this isn't the game thread but apropos of our discussion Bradley just hit a double to left to clear the bases and OB and Remy pointed out that JBJ was going to left in batting practice. Id' like to see him continue to do that.

[Bellhorn04]

There's no question that JBJ is so much better when he's going to left. That double tonight was a very nice piece of hitting, taking an outside breaking ball and driving it over the left fielder's head.

[S5Dewey]

There's no question that JBJ is so much better when he's going to left. That double tonight was a very nice piece of hitting, taking an outside breaking ball and driving it over the left fielder's head.

 

That's what's frustrating to me about JBJ's dry spells. It seems all he needs to do to be successful is go to LF more, so why doesn't he do it, dammit!!

[devildavid]

That's what's frustrating to me about JBJ's dry spells. It seems all he needs to do to be successful is go to LF more, so why doesn't he do it, dammit!!

 

Easier said than done. Hard enough just to make contact, let alone directing where the ball will go.

[moonslav59]

I know this isn't the game thread but apropos of our discussion Bradley just hit a double to left to clear the bases and OB and Remy pointed out that JBJ was going to left in batting practice. Id' like to see him continue to do that.

 

He's back over .600, and the 3 rbis help that previous number look not so horrendous.

 

[mvp 78]

He's back over .600, and the 3 rbis help that previous number look not so horrendous.

 

 

Caring about advanced metrics.

 

RBIs.

 

Pick one.

[moonslav59]

Caring about advanced metrics.

 

RBIs.

 

Pick one.

 

OPS means much more to me than RBIs, but the whole team needed to start getting more timely hits, especially JBJ, so it was nice to see him get a big hit last night.

 

JBJ still has a long way to go, and there are no guarantees he'll stay hot.

 

Out of 151 players with 200+ PAs, JBJ ranks...

 

149th in OPS at .606. (He's .006 from Jose Ramirez at 146th.)

 

143rd in WAR (-0.2)

 

140th in OBP (.290)

 

RBIs?

 

Currently, Joey Votto is last with 11 (in 253 PAs)!

 

JBJ is 147th with 17 (in 202 PAs). Many ahead of JBJ have significantly more PAs.

 

 

 

[a700hitter]

Caring about advanced metrics.

 

RBIs.

 

Pick one.

100 RBIs will put a decent amount of coin on a player’s pocket regardless of the other metrics. $ is the only metric that matters to the players.

[notin]

100 RBIs will put a decent amount of coin on a player’s pocket regardless of the other metrics. $ is the only metric that matters to the players.

 

The last sentence is 100%.

 

I really don’t know if teams pay for RBIs like they used to. Certainly agents do ask...

[Bellhorn04]

The last sentence is 100%.

 

I really don’t know if teams pay for RBIs like they used to. Certainly agents do ask...

 

"Advanced metrics sure put a lot of money in my pocket!"

 

- Jason Heyward

[a700hitter]

The last sentence is 100%.

 

I really don’t know if teams pay for RBIs like they used to. Certainly agents do ask...

They’ll pay for 100 of them.

[mvp 78]

100 RBIs will put a decent amount of coin on a player’s pocket regardless of the other metrics. $ is the only metric that matters to the players.

 

I'm talking about for TS argument purposes, not what players care about you silly goose.

[notin]

They’ll pay for 100 of them.

 

 

Joey Votto signed a 10 year $225mill contract after a 73 RBI season. Team RBI leader Brandon Phillips (with 103 that year) demanded to re-negotiate his 6 year $72.5mill deal, primarily citing his RBIs. The Reds said “no.” Gabe Kapler, who was taking a minor league position with Cincinnati, told this story when talking about the advanced metrics the Reds were using. Votto fared much better in their eyes than Phillips did using these metrics, regardless of the RBIs...

[a700hitter]

Joey Votto signed a 10 year $225mill contract after a 73 RBI season. Team RBI leader Brandon Phillips (with 103 that year) demanded to re-negotiate his 6 year $72.5mill deal, primarily citing his RBIs. The Reds said “no.” Gabe Kapler, who was taking a minor league position with Cincinnati, told this story when talking about the advanced metrics the Reds were using. Votto fared much better in their eyes than Phillips did using these metrics, regardless of the RBIs...

And the Votto contract was a big mistake. Plus, Kapler is a dope. The biggest metric that was the difference between the 2 cases was probably that Phillips was 32 years old and Votto was 29. Edited June 6, 2019 by a700hitter
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[notin]

And the Votto contract was a big mistake. Plus, Kapler is a dope. The biggest metric that was the difference between the 2 cases was probably that Phillips was 32 years old and Votto was 29.

 

I’m sure age also mattered, but unless Kapler is a liar as opposed to a dope, the fact is the Reds refused to pay solely for 100 RBIs...

[a700hitter]

I’m sure age also mattered, but unless Kapler is a liar as opposed to a dope, the fact is the Reds refused to pay solely for 100 RBIs...

I’ll go with the age difference as the key and that Kapler is a dope, and he possibly pulled this out of his ass as he was not in the Reds front office and has no more inside knowledge as to the reasons than we do. Edited June 6, 2019 by a700hitter