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Ahead in the Count .260 and a .913 for you OPS folks.

Behind in the Count, .119 BA and a .306 OPS.

RISP .214 BA and .667 OPS.

Runs baby driving them in and scoring them most important thing in baseball.

And preventing them.

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JBj positive WAR.

 

JBJ is now over .650 after being under .450 in mud May. This shows how just a small sample size can change everything.

It also shows how small the sample size was by May 20th. Nobody will argue that .450 is acceptable or that 6 weeks is not a long slump, but JBJ is helping us now- in many ways.

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JBJ is now over .650 after being under .450 in mud May. This shows how just a small sample size can change everything.

It also shows how small the sample size was by May 20th. Nobody will argue that .450 is acceptable or that 6 weeks is not a long slump, but JBJ is helping us now- in many ways.

 

What a frustrating player :)

 

But again, he's one of a long list of Sox players who had trouble getting going this year, from Chris Sale to Mookie Betts to Ryan Brasier to Eduardo Rodgriguez.

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What a frustrating player :)

 

But again, he's one of a long list of Sox players who had trouble getting going this year, from Chris Sale to Mookie Betts to Ryan Brasier to Eduardo Rodgriguez.

 

If it was just a one time thing, he'd be given a pass. I just think his terrible starts to the year have a bigger impact on this team than people want to let on.

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If it was just a one time thing, he'd be given a pass. I just think his terrible starts to the year have a bigger impact on this team than people want to let on.

 

You are right, but with so many other players starting off slow, it was hard to blame JBJ.

 

Many players slump almost every year- not like JBJ, for the most part-- but when you slump to start the season, that OPS jumps out at you every time you look at the stats. If a player started out at 1.000 after 6 weeks and decline to .659, he wouldn't be getting as much attention as the guy who started out in the .300s and .400s before rising to .669.

 

Personally, I'd rather have a plyer that gets hot at the end of the year, and JBJ's heroics in last year's playoffs were memorable, than someone who fizzles out at season's end.

 

I've been a big JBJ defender, no doubt, but his start was putrid. It certainly cost us more than one game. It is not my intention to sugar coat his slumps or get us to forget them: they are horrible, too long and too often.

 

He's my favorite Sox player, but I would not be crushed, if the traded him this coming winter.

 

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If it was just a one time thing, he'd be given a pass. I just think his terrible starts to the year have a bigger impact on this team than people want to let on.
When you compound his ice cold starts with the poor starting pitching for the first 5 weeks, the effect is devastating. Last year, the starting pitching was excellent out of the gate and it took a while for the bats to get going. This year the starting pitching and hitting started badly.
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If it was just a one time thing, he'd be given a pass. I just think his terrible starts to the year have a bigger impact on this team than people want to let on.

 

But his slumps are actually all over the place. 2 of his 3 best months are May and June.

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If it was just a one time thing, he'd be given a pass. I just think his terrible starts to the year have a bigger impact on this team than people want to let on.

 

I'd like to contest this point, but I don't see how it could be argued one way or the other.

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But his slumps are actually all over the place. 2 of his 3 best months are May and June.

True. His slumps are all over the place, not necessarily the beginning of the season. Unfortunately, when they coincide with slumps by Betts and Pearce and a very slow start by the pitchers, it was devastating.

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But his slumps are actually all over the place. 2 of his 3 best months are May and June.

 

Yes, and his cold streaks are always longer than his hot ones. Many of his hot streaks are white hot, so the final numbers look decent to good year after year.

 

His career started very slowly. Here's a look at some selected time frames:

 

.548 over his first 530 PAs (2013-2014)

 

2015:

.384 over his first 59 PAs (May to Aug)

.962 over his last 196 PAs

 

2016:

.586 over his first 59 PAs

1.082 middle 228 PAs

.669 over last 249 PAs

 

2017:

.637 over the first 112 PAs

1.014 over his middle 164 PAs

.589 over his last 265 PAs

 

2018:

.502 over his first 142 PAs (to May 20th)

.793 over the last 393 PAs plus the nutty playoffs.

 

2019:

.421 over his first 145 PAs (to May 20th)

1.056 over his most recent 87 PAs

 

(JBJ's longest hot streak 8/6/15-10/2/16 was 832 PAs long at an .865 OPS.)

 

 

In a way his career has been like some seasons: .548 the first 2 years (months) and .772 the last 4 years (months). Actually, here are the Sox OPS from 8/6/15 to 7/4-17( almost 2 full seasons):

 

1.050 Papi

.895 Betts

.864 JBJ

.829 Beni

.826 HRam

.819 Moreland

.814 Pedey

.809 Bogey

.805 Young

 

 

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Yes, and his cold streaks are always longer than his hot ones. Many of his hot streaks are white hot, so the final numbers look decent to good year after year.

 

...and the thing that's consistent from month to month is his GG defense.

 

There's more than one side to this game, ya know!

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...and the thing that's consistent from month to month is his GG defense.

 

There's more than one side to this game, ya know!

 

Preachin' to the choir, my man!

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I'd like to contest this point, but I don't see how it could be argued one way or the other.

 

I like JBJ. His highs and lows are frustrating to watch.

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That's pretty sad that his ops is still only at 688 after a month of being on a good streak. Imagine when he goes back on a cold streak

 

How's that glass this morning... half empty or half full?

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That's pretty sad that his ops is still only at 688 after a month of being on a good streak. Imagine when he goes back on a cold streak

 

Good positive thinking LOL

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Notice when he started to go to Left Field more, he started to hit again. It's when he pulls, and only pulls the ball, he'll have a problem. He goes the other way, he'll be fine. The pitches will come when he can pull the ball.
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Notice when he started to go to Left Field more, he started to hit again. It's when he pulls, and only pulls the ball, he'll have a problem. He goes the other way, he'll be fine. The pitches will come when he can pull the ball.

 

Agreed.

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Notice when he started to go to Left Field more, he started to hit again. It's when he pulls, and only pulls the ball, he'll have a problem. He goes the other way, he'll be fine. The pitches will come when he can pull the ball.

 

He'll be fine when he faces weak pitching. Lets see if he can maintain his surge against the Twins.

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He'll be fine when he faces weak pitching. Lets see if he can maintain his surge against the Twins.

 

Was it really THAT long ago he was ALCS MVP against the pretty good pitching staff of the Houston Astros?

 

Time really flies, I guess.

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I get that JBJ is frustrating due to his hot/cold streaks, but at the end of the day, every year he provides good value overall and is a starter worthy CF in the MLB. I'm not sure I want to pay him the money some are speculating he'll get, but I've been happy with JBJ's time with the Red Sox. He reminds me of JD Drew in a way, he had a hot and cold career, lot of Sox fans liked him, but almost equally as many hated him. Both good players though, and both had moments in the playoffs that will have them remembered in Red Sox history.

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