The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[notin]

i’ll Go with the age difference as the key and that Kapler is a dope, and he possibly pulled this out of his ass as he was not in the Reds front office and has no more inside knowledge as to the reasons than we do.

 

 

No, but the FO was teaching him about metrics and how they value them...

[a700hitter]

No, but the FO was teaching him about metrics and how they value them...

I didn’t think Kapler had been in the Reds organization. Also, Phillips made pretty good money in his career. I think Kapler’s story is not only anecdotal, but it may not even be accurate as to the role of any particular metric in that negotiation.

[notin]

I didn’t think Kapler had been in the Reds organization. Also, Phillips made pretty good money in his career. I think Kapler’s story is not only anecdotal, but it may not even be accurate as to the role of any particular metric in that negotiation.

 

I think you might be right about Kapler. But there are plenty of stories around the internet about how angry Phillips was after the two contracts. Age certainly made a difference, but Phillips came up about $150mill less because the Reds wouldn’t pay for RBIs. And while Phillips whined about it, he did pretty well financially over his career and there will always be good on his table, and no one put a gun to his head to sign a $72mill deal. But it was certainly an instance of teams no longer paying for RBIs like they used to...

[a700hitter]

I think you might be right about Kapler. But there are plenty of stories around the internet about how angry Phillips was after the two contracts. Age certainly made a difference, but Phillips came up about $150mill less because the Reds wouldn’t pay for RBIs. And while Phillips whined about it, he did pretty well financially over his career and there will always be good on his table, and no one put a gun to his head to sign a $72mill deal. But it was certainly an instance of teams no longer paying for RBIs like they used to...

Just because Phillips thought the RBI entitles him to more money doesn’t indicate how the team viewed the stat. He was an older middle infielder who was losing range. Your conclusion is just not supported by anything other than Kapler s and your opinion. 100 RBI guys always make good money, if they can do it consistently. Pardon the pun, but you can take it to the bank.

[moonslav59]

JBJ got on base 2 out of 4 times, today. He was 0-2. He walked once and was HBP.

 

His OPS went from .606 to.607.

 

I'm hopeful, he can keep this up all year.

[Bellhorn04]

JBJ got on base 2 out of 4 times, today. He was 0-2. He walked once and was HBP.

 

His OPS went from .606 to.607.

 

I'm hopeful, he can keep this up all year.

 

You know us JBJ Pollyannas are desperate when we're reporting a .001 increase in OPS.

[moonslav59]

You know us JBJ Pollyannas are desperate when we're reporting a .001 increase in OPS.

 

It's hard to do going oh-for.

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

Can we please get a legit starting CF to replace this late inning defensive replacement? HE'S PUTRID!

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

Don't look now but Jarren Duran is threatening Jackie's spot on the club. Jackie's woes will not be ignored much longer!

[Slasher9]

Can we please get a legit starting CF to replace this late inning defensive replacement? HE'S PUTRID!

 

So let’s hear some names?

Saying Jarren at this point is a joke. Who else you have in mind? Go on record with someone or just continue to post “he sucks get a real CFer”?

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

So let’s hear some names?

Saying Jarren at this point is a joke. Who else you have in mind? Go on record with someone or just continue to post “he sucks get a real CFer”?

 

 

really, why do you say that? Jarren is a college guy that has ripped the cover off the ball in the minors. He's 22 and will be 23 in September. He's closer to the bigs than you think.

[notin]

really, why do you say that? Jarren is a college guy that has ripped the cover off the ball in the minors. He's 22 and will be 23 in September. He's closer to the bigs than you think.

 

 

He was in A ball last week with a batting average inflated by a ludicrous.471 BABIP.

 

He’s not as close as you think...

[notin]

Can we please get a legit starting CF to replace this late inning defensive replacement? HE'S PUTRID!

 

 

In the last 16 games, that defensive replacement has a 1.047 OPS. Can we wait until he is struggling before complaining about him struggling?

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

He was in A ball last week with a batting average inflated by a ludicrous.471 BABIP.

 

He’s not as close as you think...

 

I don't care really. We'll take that lack of knowledge pitchers will have of him and ride his initial hot streak. By the time pitchers figure him out, it will be a new season. Big whoop.

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

In the last 16 games, that defensive replacement has a 1.047 OPS. Can we wait until he is struggling before complaining about him struggling?

 

And he's still batting .191 with a sub .300 obp.

 

If he had any value this is where you'd sell high on him.

[notin]

And he's still batting .191 with a sub .300 obp.

 

If he had any value this is where you'd sell high on him.

 

 

Do you think other GMs don’t have Google?

 

Actually if you sell anyone high, it’s Duran. A .472 BABIP is completely unsustainable and very likely means he is all or part illusion.

 

And yet he can still bring back more in a trade...

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

Do you think other GMs don’t have Google?

 

Actually if you sell anyone high, it’s Duran. A .472 BABIP is completely unsustainable and very likely means he is all or part illusion.

 

And yet he can still bring back more in a trade...

 

If you package him, another prospect and bradley for a legit, full time OF i'd be all for it.

[moonslav59]

JBJ is not going anywhere.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Just lost the cup barring a miracle

[Swiharts Ghost]

Miracle halfway there ?

[moonslav59]

Just lost the cup barring a miracle

 

Another fix is in.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Blues starting to choke

[moonslav59]

s***** loss tonight.

 

JBJ's OPS went up another .001.

[Slasher9]

Blues starting to choke

 

Wait...there’s no hockey game tonight

[DontCallMeUncleRico]

JBJ is not going anywhere.

 

He better be cause HE SUCKS.

[Slasher9]

If you package him, another prospect and bradley for a legit, full time OF i'd be all for it.

Which legit fulltime CFer are you trading JBj + jurran + another prospect (who??) for? Give me some names.

[notin]

Which legit fulltime CFer are you trading JBj + jurran + another prospect (who??) for? Give me some names.

 

 

Trout!!!

 

Or did you want realistic names?

[devildavid]

OPS means much more to me than RBIs, but the whole team needed to start getting more timely hits, especially JBJ, so it was nice to see him get a big hit last night.

 

JBJ still has a long way to go, and there are no guarantees he'll stay hot.

 

Out of 151 players with 200+ PAs, JBJ ranks...

 

149th in OPS at .606. (He's .006 from Jose Ramirez at 146th.)

 

143rd in WAR (-0.2)

 

140th in OBP (.290)

 

RBIs?

 

Currently, Joey Votto is last with 11 (in 253 PAs)!

 

JBJ is 147th with 17 (in 202 PAs). Many ahead of JBJ have significantly more PAs.

 

 

 

 

OPS is not an advanced metric. It is a very flawed number. It measures nothing.

[Bellhorn04]

OPS is not an advanced metric. It is a very flawed number. It measures nothing.

 

We all know it's flawed, I think. What's your preferred stat for overall hitting production?

[Slasher9]

Trout!!!

 

Or did you want realistic names?

That’s a start.

I don’t think the Angels will do that deal tho.

I’m sure Rico has a whole list of full time CFers that we can trade JBj + jarren + “other prospect” for?