The annual Jackie Bradley Jr thread (2019 Edition)

[a700hitter]

True, but not many were hitting over 1.000 over their most recent 18+ games or .800 over their last 35 games when they got benched.

Agreed. They stayed with him through the hard times. You don’t bench him when he has emerged from his prolonged slump. I was talking about future seasons. We have no better option right now, other than Holt in RF possibly. Eventually, this team will decide to go in another direction to start a season.

[Jasonbay44]

Agreed. They stayed with him through the hard times. You don’t bench him when he has emerged from his prolonged slump. I was talking about future seasons. We have no better option right now, other than Holt in RF possibly. Eventually, this team will decided to go in another direction to start a season.

The issue is though. If we play Holt in OF, that probably means we get more Nunez at 2B, or Pearce or Travis at 1B, which I’m not sure overalls really helps anything with how bad Nunez sucks and how bad Pearce has been offensively

[moonslav59]

Agreed. They stayed with him through the hard times. You don’t bench him when he has emerged from his prolonged slump. I was talking about future seasons. We have no better option right now, other than Holt in RF possibly. Eventually, this team will decide to go in another direction to start a season.

 

I agree.

 

BTW, JBJ has a +0.5 fWAR since April 20th.

 

Surprisingly, he's at +0.1 since April 6th.

[devildavid]

No, but it includes BB & HBP.

 

OPS alone doesn't tell you that, any more than batting average tells you what the breakdown of hits are.

[moonslav59]

OPS alone doesn't tell you that, any more than batting average tells you what the breakdown of hits are.

 

Not specifically, no, but it is included.

 

It's not like it's an all important number in an of itself.

[devildavid]

Not specifically, no, but it is included.

 

It's not like it's an all important number in an of itself.

 

But it is too often used as a barometer of a hitters value.

[moonslav59]

But it is too often used as a barometer of a hitters value.

 

It's an easily understood number and is better than OBP or SLG alone.

 

wRC+ and OBA are better, but those metrics are not well known.

 

I'd like to see this become more popular:

 

OBP x 3 + SLG x 2/ 5

[devildavid]

It's an easily understood number and is better than OBP or SLG alone.

 

wRC+ and OBA are better, but those metrics are not well known.

 

I'd like to see this become more popular:

 

OBP x 3 + SLG x 2/ 5

 

It is also easily misunderstood. It does not tell you where the hitters true value lies. You really need the slash line every time to get a better, if still crude picture. Maybe it's time to promote those better metrics.

[notin]

But it is too often used as a barometer of a hitters value.

 

 

Whether you like OPS or not, it is a far, far better barometer than batting average as standalone numbers go...

[OH FOY]

To you it is, not to me. I don't think it reflects, contact. It magnifies Power. Reason why there is less and less .300 hitters in baseball.

[OH FOY]

To me it looks like you'll sacrifice at bats, for that 1 swing to hit it out of the Park. All I'm saying is if your .200 hitter, and a bad OPS reflects it, then I'm in. If not, not too good of a stat to me.

What kind of a hitter is he? I would just look at how many HRS are hit. You know a kid that hits 20+ HRS has good Power. That's it.

Doesn't tell me he is a good hitter. Just that he has Power. Good for him. If he strikeouts 200+ a season, better for me as a Pitcher.

Odds are in the Pitchers favor in this case. And they don't need anymore help, if your failing 70% of the time. This is a good percentage.

Edited June 9, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

To you it is, not to me. I don't think it reflects, contact. It magnifies Power. Reason why there is less and less .300 hitters in baseball.

 

The LaunchBall approach certainly has a lot to do with that.

 

To evaluate a hitter you only need to look at the slash line and the OPS.

 

Batting average matters, but OBP and SLG do tell you more. They tell you if the guy is getting on base without hits, and they tell you if the guy is hitting for extra bases.

 

J. D. Drew was a classic example of a guy with a mediocre batting overage but an impressive OPS. Because he really did take a lot of walks and he really did have serious power. OPS treated him more fairly.

[notin]

To you it is, not to me. I don't think it reflects, contact. It magnifies Power. Reason why there is less and less .300 hitters in baseball.

 

Batting average doesn’t reflect contact, and certainly does quantify the value of the contact.

 

And maybe it’s time to abandon the notion that a .300 hitter is some sort of revered feat. Joey Wendle and Corey Dickerson hit .300 last year. Jose Ramirez didn’t. Why do we attach a special accomplishment to Wendle or Dickerson? Are they better hitters than Ramirez?

Edited June 9, 2019 by notin

[oldtimer]

The fact is that JBJ is hitting down in the order, mainly the 9th slot. That speaks volumes about the Sox management opinion of JBJ as a hitter.

[Slasher9]

The fact is that JBJ is hitting down in the order, mainly the 9th slot. That speaks volumes about the Sox management opinion of JBJ as a hitter.

 

Yes. 8 or 9 should be exactly where JBj bats in the lineup.

[moonslav59]

It is also easily misunderstood. It does not tell you where the hitters true value lies. You really need the slash line every time to get a better, if still crude picture. Maybe it's time to promote those better metrics.

 

If your aim is to see where a batter excels, then yes, you need slash lines or more.

 

If you are trying to find out the total offensive value of a player, maybe for comparison purposes against other players of a specific players past seasons, then OPS, a modified OPS, wRC+ or OBA are pretty decent tools.

 

[moonslav59]

To you it is, not to me. I don't think it reflects, contact. It magnifies Power. Reason why there is less and less .300 hitters in baseball.

 

Power is important, but yes, giving equal value to SLG and OBP warps the numbers too much towards power. SLG% is still important, though, and it's not just about HRs.

[moonslav59]

The fact is that JBJ is hitting down in the order, mainly the 9th slot. That speaks volumes about the Sox management opinion of JBJ as a hitter.

 

It also speak volumes about how they view Vaz as a hitter, and while we're at it, does batting Holt 5th and 6th so much say something about how they view him?

 

Right now, we have 8 everyday players with an OPS over .774, and the .774 guy is Beni.

 

Even if JBJ was hitting .775, he'd still be batting 8th or 9th. To me, it's more about us having a balanced line-up, when healthy, than JBJ being a weak or streaky hitter.

 

The weird part is, they rarely move JBJ up when he is hot.

 

[moonslav59]

To me it looks like you'll sacrifice at bats, for that 1 swing to hit it out of the Park. All I'm saying is if your .200 hitter, and a bad OPS reflects it, then I'm in. If not, not too good of a stat to me.

What kind of a hitter is he? I would just look at how many HRS are hit. You know a kid that hits 20+ HRS has good Power. That's it.

Doesn't tell me he is a good hitter. Just that he has Power. Good for him. If he strikeouts 200+ a season, better for me as a Pitcher.

Odds are in the Pitchers favor in this case. And they don't need anymore help, if your failing 70% of the time. This is a good percentage.

 

So, you'd prefer player A?

 

A .300 BA/ .350 OBP/ .350 SLG/ .700 OPS

 

B .250 BA/ .375 OBP/ .350 SLG/ .725 OPS

 

C .250 BA/ .350 OBP/ .400 SLG/ .750 OPS

 

Where is OPS cheating player A?

 

Player B gets on base more.

 

Player C gets on base the same and likely gets more RBIs due to his much better power.

[S5Dewey]

So, you'd prefer player A?

 

A .300 BA/ .350 OBP/ .350 SLG/ .700 OPS

 

B .250 BA/ .375 OBP/ .350 SLG/ .725 OPS

 

C .250 BA/ .350 OBP/ .400 SLG/ .750 OPS

 

Where is OPS cheating player A?

 

Player B gets on base more.

 

Player C gets on base the same and likely gets more RBIs due to his much better power.

 

Player B should be leading off (High OBP), Player A batting second (Higher BA), and Player C batting 3rd (Higher OPS).

 

There! Now that's settled! Now let's move these two posts to Bells thread in the General Baseball Forum.

[moonslav59]

Getting picked off today was horrible!

 

That being said, he's up to .631, now, after going 2 for 4 with a 2B.

Edited June 9, 2019 by moonslav59

[oldtimer]

Getting picked off today was horrible!

 

That being said, he's up to .631, now, after going 2 for 4 with a 2B.

 

Funny how 6 of our 8 hits today came from the bottom of the order.

[moonslav59]

Funny how 6 of our 8 hits today came from the bottom of the order.

 

Like I have been saying, the bottom of our order is not the problem.

 

They've been among our hottest hitters- some for a long time, now.

[oldtimer]

Like I have been saying, the bottom of our order is not the problem.

 

They've been among our hottest hitters- some for a long time, now.

 

Maybe we should put them to the top of the order. Not!

[moonslav59]

Vaz up second was sicko!

[SCM33]

He's on his way towards another .700+ season and is one of our hottest hitters.

 

 

LOL, spoke too soon.

 

Plummeting again.

 

Wake me up when he is hitting the Mendoza line. Embarrassing.

[moonslav59]

LOL, spoke too soon.

 

Plummeting again.

 

Wake me up when he is hitting the Mendoza line. Embarrassing.

 

I thought I'd un-ban you just to see if your make any sense at all or are still a clown.

 

Clown it is.

 

"Plummeting?"

 

He's been on an almost endless upswing since May 20th.

 

BA OPS every 3 games played:

 

.146/ .443

.168/ .511

.163/ .520

.185/ .600

.190/ .602

.190/ .606

.192/ .625

.196/ .631

 

Today: .197/ .629

 

His OPS has been on as steady a rise as possible.

 

His BA dipped once, but is at his highest point in the season.

 

Look up the word, "plummet," clown. It's the opposite of JBJ's trend.

 

Back to ignore.

 

[illinoisredsox]

You should read his deep commentary in the Chavis and The Pen threads.

 

Although it will be 20 seconds of your life you won’t get back.

[moonslav59]

You should read his deep commentary in the Chavis and The Pen threads.

 

Although it will be 20 seconds of your life you won’t get back.

 

Nope.

 

The only clowns I like are ICP, and even them as a joke.

[sk7326]

Some fun research on outfield defense and jump https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/jump?year=2019&min=q