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The Mets have talked to the Red Sox about their catchers:

https://metsmerizedonline.com/2018/12/mets-speaking-to-red-sox-about-catchers-realmuto-still-top-target.html/

 

How about B.Swihart and B.Johnson to the Mets for Z.Wheeler. In turn, the Red Sox extend Wheeler and trade Porcello for a top prospect.

 

Swihart and Johnson would be mere throw-ins in a deal for Wheeler.

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Johnson has limited value as a back end starter with limited upside. Swihart has no value. Putting them together is not getting you a 4WAR starter, it just isnt

 

I wouldn't say "no value," but he's not as highly valued as some here think he is.

 

The Mets do need catching, and Swihart may be better than what they have now, at least as their best back-up guy.

 

I'm wondering if Vaz, Johnson and Chavis would do the trick.

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mvp 78

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And he will soon resort to the pitcher that he was with the Pirates.

 

He was definitely slowing down in the stretch run and I believe there are questions about his arm.

fxkatt Draft Eligible

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I wouldn't say "no value," but he's not as highly valued as some here think he is.

 

The Mets do need catching, and Swihart may be better than what they have now, at least as their best back-up guy.

 

I'm wondering if Vaz, Johnson and Chavis would do the trick.

 

I think it would, but it depends how Chavis is valued by both the Mets and the Sox.

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Joe Kelly to Dodgers 3 years/$25 million.

 

I don't see that anywhere else. Where did you get this information. As of this morning, DD was still talking about the possibility of bringing him back but at more than $8 per year for a relief pitcher, it would seem unlikely.

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So from memory here's our bullpen without further additions:

 

Pick 7 from:

 

Johnson

Velazquez

Wright

Braiser

Barnes

Workman

Hembree

Thornburg

Poyner

 

Did I miss anybody of significance? It's not terrible; I think we could still win the World Series with that, assuming Brasier continues his brilliance and Thornburg can at least reliably get lefties out.

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I wouldn't say "no value," but he's not as highly valued as some here think he is.

 

The Mets do need catching, and Swihart may be better than what they have now, at least as their best back-up guy.

I'm wondering if Vaz, Johnson and Chavis would do the trick.

Steamer projects 2019 WAR of 0.1 in 31 games for Blake Swihart and 0.0 in 18 innings for Brian Johnson.

 

Steamer600, which assumes 200 innings for each starting pitcher and 450 plate appearances for each catcher, projects 2019 WAR of 0.7 for Johnson and 0.2 for Swihart.

 

Steamer projects Zach Wheeler with 2.7 WAR in 171 innings while Steamer600 projects 2.8 WAR.

 

Steamer600 projects the following 2019 WAR for Met catchers: Travis d'Arnaud 1.9, Kevin Plawecki 1.8, Patrick Mazeika 1.4 and Tomas Nido 0.7.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=c&stats=bat&type=steamer600&team=25&lg=all&players=0

 

Steamer600 projects 2019 WAR of 1.4 for Christian Vazquez and 0.8 for Sandy Leon.

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In trading Johnson and Swihart for Wheeler, the Mets would be gaining players with years of control. In contrast, the Mets would be trading away a pitcher with only one year of control.

 

If you think Johnson can perform as a middle of the rotation starter (as some people think) the deal is more than fair for the Mets, not to mention what Swihart could do as an everyday player. At the end of the day Swihart and Johnson's WAR over multiple seasons will likely surpass one year of Wheeler's WAR.

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fxkatt Draft Eligible

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For Swihart and Johnson, Robert Gsellman might be more realistic than Wheeler...

 

This trade would be made, I think. And I assume Gsellman is under control for several years. He's 25 and has shown lots of promise, but has a WAR of .2 From what I know, I would make this move. G might make a great 5th or 6th starter. (I don't know if he has any past injuries which are bringing down his projected WAR)

notin MVP

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In trading Johnson and Swihart for Wheeler, the Mets would be gaining players with years of control. In contrast, the Mets would be trading away a pitcher with only one year of control.

 

If you think Johnson can perform as a middle of the rotation starter (as some people think) the deal is more than fair for the Mets, not to mention what Swihart could do as an everyday player. At the end of the day Swihart and Johnson's WAR over multiple seasons will likely surpass one year of Wheeler's WAR.

 

While true, that doesn't change the fact that the Mets can get players like that anywhere and keep Wheeler. The Mets certainly have a minor league pitcher or two they can call up who would give them more fWAR over 6 years than Wheeler gives them in one year. Why would they deal a very good starting pitcher to get a 27yo out-of-options pitcher with one meh season under his belt?

 

Johnson and Swihart are nothing special. I'm not saying the Mets couldn't use Swihart and Johnson. But I am saying they won't deal their third best starting pitcher to get them...

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In trading Johnson and Swihart for Wheeler, the Mets would be gaining players with years of control. In contrast, the Mets would be trading away a pitcher with only one year of control.

 

If you think Johnson can perform as a middle of the rotation starter (as some people think) the deal is more than fair for the Mets, not to mention what Swihart could do as an everyday player. At the end of the day Swihart and Johnson's WAR over multiple seasons will likely surpass one year of Wheeler's WAR.

 

Yeah, this is laughable. Johnson has a 0.4WAR in 99 innings last year with a HR rate that was enormous. He’s not some kid coming up with promise, he’s a soft tossing 28 yr old. He is what he is and that’s a 5th starter/AAAA pitcher

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Johnson and Swihart are two guys a lot of people wanted and thought would be DFA early on last year. Now we can deal them for a really good starter? Sweet!

 

I like Johnson but holy s*** he is being overrated on this site, he isn’t that good. He’s a bottom of the rotation/long reliever guy.

Kimmi Boston Red Sox

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If we didn't have the offseason drama, how would we get through these 5 months?

 

Same way I get through now, figure skating and posting nonsense about other topics on Talksox.

Kimmi Boston Red Sox

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I don't enjoy the off season, but do kind of enjoy the break. In the Summer it seems like there is so many games and I watch a lot of them, and some of those games, especially the playoffs, were really stressful.

 

The break is far too long, IMO.

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So from memory here's our bullpen without further additions:

 

Pick 7 from:

 

Johnson

Velazquez

Wright

Braiser

Barnes

Workman

Hembree

Thornburg

Poyner

 

Did I miss anybody of significance? It's not terrible; I think we could still win the World Series with that, assuming Brasier continues his brilliance and Thornburg can at least reliably get lefties out.

 

According to what Dombrowski said today, he's not going big on signing a relief pitcher. He's going the cheap route.

 

My man.

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notin

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According to what Dombrowski said today, he's not going big on signing a relief pitcher. He's going the cheap route.

 

My man.

 

Some candidates might include:

 

Hunter Strickland

Sergio Romo

Brad Boxberger

Ryan Madsen

Brad Brach

Brandon Maurer

Blake Parker

Greg Holland

Jim Johnson

Matt Bush

 

Any others?

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