Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[cp176]

I think the Sox will pry Beltre from the Rangers. Beltre is a 10 and 5 guy, so he’d have to play it, but he owes Boston something for reviving his career and getting him that second big contract. At the same time, the Rangers are rebuilding and keeping him around makes no sense. Beltre will be in demand, though, as he’s still managed to hit despite his body betraying him a bit. He’s an FA at season’s end, which will allow for Devers to resume his spot.

 

I could see a Sox dream scenario where Beltre comes in, Devers goes to AAA and kills it. He comes back up as a 1B/3B/DH option with Beltre manning 3b mostly full time. If Devers is going, and Beltre comes in as a steady presence, the lineup of...

 

Betts RF

Beni CF

JDM LF

Beltre 3B

Moreland 1B

Bogaerts SS

Devers DH

Holt 2B

Vasquez C

 

That lineup is deep, especially if a trip to AAA gets Devers hitting like the all star he is destined to become. What would it take to get Beltre? Probably a fair amount. I’d assume Houck, Groome, Mata, or Beeks would be a headliner with a secondary piece also going like Shawaryn. But that’d be a heck of a get for you guys

 

I doubt seriously that Devers is sent back at all. He is experiencing growing pains for sure but for gawd sake this team lays over all but just a few others as is. There really is no real reason to think about sending this kid back. If we can live with JBJ, it really is no stretch to think that we are just fine with Devers learning on the foy.

[jacksonianmarch]

That post was from 3 weeks ago. In that time, Devers has picked it up a little and the Sox have other needs that have cropped up. Wright’s arthritic knee is barking and now Johnson is on the fritz. With Price pitching like dogshit, the Sox are suddenly reliant on 3 starters and the offense to carry them twice a turn. My guess is the Sox look for a guy to fill the 5 slot who can at least not murder their pen.

 

Eovaldi threw 6+ perfect innings today and he will be in demand on the market. Hall might be too rich for the Sox blood in terms of money and prospects. They might also look for a league average guy from one of the loser clubs as well.

[S5Dewey]

That post was from 3 weeks ago. In that time, Devers has picked it up a little and the Sox have other needs that have cropped up. Wright’s arthritic knee is barking and now Johnson is on the fritz. With Price pitching like dogshit, the Sox are suddenly reliant on 3 starters and the offense to carry them twice a turn. My guess is the Sox look for a guy to fill the 5 slot who can at least not murder their pen.

 

Eovaldi threw 6+ perfect innings today and he will be in demand on the market. Hall might be too rich for the Sox blood in terms of money and prospects. They might also look for a league average guy from one of the loser clubs as well.

 

I haven't heard much about that Sonny Gray guy lately. How's he doing?

[jacksonianmarch]

I haven't heard much about that Sonny Gray guy lately. How's he doing?

 

Funny. He and David Price have joined the same sucktastic group

[dgalehouse]

I think the complaints about his hat were in jest....but the fact that he sucks is not in jest.

Less Rodney today....even less tomorrow.

 

Rodney pisses some people off with his cap angle and his penchant for shooting an arrow after a save. I don't see anything wrong with that. Baseball sorely needs more colorful characters . This is sports entertainment after all. Vince McMahon found out long ago that you can't have all " baby faces " . You need heels and controversy also. It has made him rich. The owners of the Red Sox and Yankees have made millions over the years because fans have totally bought into the good guys vs bad guys scenario. As a savvy G.M. , I am sure Dombrowski will consider acquiring Rodney objectively. Can he help the Sox win a championship or not ? The cap angle will not be a factor. Nor should it be.

[Nick]

I haven't heard much about that Sonny Gray guy lately. How's he doing?

 

+1

+100 directing at our resident Yankee fan

[Slasher9]

That post was from 3 weeks ago. In that time, Devers has picked it up a little and the Sox have other needs that have cropped up. Wright’s arthritic knee is barking and now Johnson is on the fritz. With Price pitching like dogshit, the Sox are suddenly reliant on 3 starters and the offense to carry them twice a turn. My guess is the Sox look for a guy to fill the 5 slot who can at least not murder their pen

 

Amazing. Everything you just said is wrong.

[Spudboy]

Not sure why we need a police to police the fashion police. If a guy can't or thinks wearing his hat cockeyed is cool, I have the right to disagree with him. I think Holts pants look baggy sometimes. I think Kibrels beard looks stupid, Mookie wears strange shoes.

 

WHO GIVES A CRAP!

 

LOL. Exactly.

 

People lose sight of the fact the baseball is entertainment.

 

So I am cool with all the stuff you mentioned.

 

I do remain in expectation that the product I pay to watch will be uniformly high quality and tasteful.

 

I'm down with advertising weed on uniforms.

 

Time to mash another bud.

 

Later.

[kenmeister]

That post was from 3 weeks ago. In that time, Devers has picked it up a little and the Sox have other needs that have cropped up. Wright’s arthritic knee is barking and now Johnson is on the fritz. With Price pitching like dogshit, the Sox are suddenly reliant on 3 starters and the offense to carry them twice a turn. My guess is the Sox look for a guy to fill the 5 slot who can at least not murder their pen.

 

Eovaldi threw 6+ perfect innings today and he will be in demand on the market. Hall might be too rich for the Sox blood in terms of money and prospects. They might also look for a league average guy from one of the loser clubs as well.

 

I hope not. I want Velazquez and Beeks to get starts.

[Spudboy]

I think it's his head that's tilted, the cap is fine.

 

lol

[FredLynn]

Funny. He and David Price have joined the same sucktastic group

 

Just to correct you on the David Price issue: he is NOTHING like Sonny Gray.

 

For his first five games this year he was 3-2 with an ERA of 2.93. Then he got hit hard for two games. Then for the next nine games he was 8-1 with an ERA of 2.72. Then he got hit hard again in two more games. So in 14 of his 18 starts to date he has pitched very well.

 

Sonny Gray on the other hand hasn't had an ERA under 4.81 since his second start of the season. He has consistently sucked. From April 12 to July 6 his ERA is over 6.

 

It is the Yankees who NEED a good SP, not the Sox. We have them already.

 

And as for our offense, as of the start of play today we have scored 38 more runs than the Yankees and have a better OPS. Our offense is just fine.

 

I think the Yankees know they are in trouble and will soon make a panic move and surrender too much for too little just to keep pace with the best team in baseball.

Edited July 9, 2018 by FredLynn

[jacksonianmarch]

Just to correct you on the David Price issue: he is NOTHING like Sonny Gray.

 

For his first five games this year he was 3-2 with an ERA of 2.93. Then he got hit hard for two games. Then for the next nine games he was 8-1 with an ERA of 2.72. Then he got hit hard again in two more games. So in 14 of his 18 starts to date he has pitched very well.

 

Sonny Gray on the other hand hasn't had an ERA under 4.81 since his second start of the season. He has consistently sucked. From April 12 to July 6 his ERA is over 6.

 

It is the Yankees who NEED a good SP, not the Sox. We have them already.

 

And as for our offense, as of the start of play today we have scored 38 more runs than the Yankees and have a better OPS. Our offense is just fine.

 

I think the Yankees know they are in trouble and will soon make a panic move and surrender too much for too little just to keep pace with the best team in baseball.

 

LOL. Price and Gray have both blown goats their last 2 starts. The 5 before that, they were solid. The beginning of the season was more kind to Price than Sonny, but both were turning a corner until the Yankee-Sox series. Both are not made for the big stage. Price is not an asset right now. At least the Jays can hit. Price faced a team that had scored 4 earned runs on the opposing starter twice (one guy was a callup from AAA) in 30 days and he goes out there, gives up 4 and sets the sox record for HBP in an inning. Gray may be having the worse season, but the last 2 starts have been bad for both.

 

I also think the sox are more likely to make a panic move. They are smack dab in the middle of their window and DD knows it. I think he will secure a starter before the Yankees do.

[Jasonbay44]

People like you that think others have issues because they believe in order, discipline and structure are the ones with the "issues".

 

He isn't breaking a single rule, and has played for 8 different teams. None of them have complained about his hat, in fact, he is pretty well liked around the league and is a great teammate. When trading for a player the last thing we should be worried about is how he wears his hat. It doesn't matter. I can't believe people actually watch sports and complain about s*** this stupid.

[Jasonbay44]

LOL. Exactly.

 

People lose sight of the fact the baseball is entertainment.

 

So I am cool with all the stuff you mentioned.

 

I do remain in expectation that the product I pay to watch will be uniformly high quality and tasteful.

 

I'm down with advertising weed on uniforms.

 

Time to mash another bud.

 

Later.

Yeah, I don't get it. As long as the players are playing at their highest level, who cares what they look like? There is a lot of athletes who present themselves in weird ways and do weird s***, but none of it has bothered me. Mookie wears different colored socks sometimes, doesn't bother me. Neither does the NFL players and their 100 different cleats, or the NBA players and their shoes, sleeves, and etc.

[FredLynn]

LOL. Price and Gray have both blown goats their last 2 starts. The 5 before that, they were solid. The beginning of the season was more kind to Price than Sonny, but both were turning a corner until the Yankee-Sox series. Both are not made for the big stage. Price is not an asset right now. At least the Jays can hit. Price faced a team that had scored 4 earned runs on the opposing starter twice (one guy was a callup from AAA) in 30 days and he goes out there, gives up 4 and sets the sox record for HBP in an inning. Gray may be having the worse season, but the last 2 starts have been bad for both.

 

I also think the sox are more likely to make a panic move. They are smack dab in the middle of their window and DD knows it. I think he will secure a starter before the Yankees do.

 

Yup. Both sucked their last two starts. The difference is that Price has had a sub 3 ERA for over 75% of his starts.

 

Gray has sucked since his second start of the year, in April.

[SoxHop]

Amazing. Everything you just said is wrong.

 

Please tell me you got that from a Star Wars film. Cause I am just watching the last one right now. And that was a direct quote.

[cp176]

He isn't breaking a single rule, and has played for 8 different teams. None of them have complained about his hat, in fact, he is pretty well liked around the league and is a great teammate. When trading for a player the last thing we should be worried about is how he wears his hat. It doesn't matter. I can't believe people actually watch sports and complain about s*** this stupid.

 

You are making a very general statement here. It is ok and it is one shared by many others on here for sure. I respect the rationale behind the way Rodney wears his hat too. It is a good story. Actually i could care less about how he wears his hat. If he came to Boston, I could care less about the way he wears his hat but I know a number of outstanding families who would have to explain to some very young and impressionable athletes why it is ok. Believe it or not, there are still people out there who have the following rules for their kids. No tats - no piercings - no hats worn backwards or whatever-and yup believe it or not no jewelry worn on the field. These are really solid families who truly care about the way their kids grow up. Are they wrong to impose such Draconian rules on their children? I don't think so. They still believe that the way you look can in some way impact the type of person you become. I believe in individuality as well but I tend to side with the folks who still believe that the way you look can impact the type of person you become.

[Bellhorn04]

There were so many bargains in January and even February. If we truly did not have a big concern about going over the max line, I think we should have (would have?) gone over then and still left the option to make some deadline deals if anyone was injured or struggling.

 

I must ask again, who exactly were all these great bargains you've referenced several times?

[notin]

I must ask again, who exactly were all these great bargains you've referenced several times?

 

Mike Moustakas, Lance Lynn, Doug Fister, Jeremy Hellickson, Jonathan Lucroy, Jason Vargas.

 

Probably a few more...

[notin]

He isn't breaking a single rule, and has played for 8 different teams. None of them have complained about his hat, in fact, he is pretty well liked around the league and is a great teammate. When trading for a player the last thing we should be worried about is how he wears his hat. It doesn't matter. I can't believe people actually watch sports and complain about s*** this stupid.

 

You know, you are making too big a deal out of the offhand comment of the hat and ignoring the real problem with Rodney. His lack of control and the subsequent abundance of walks has caused tons of issues throughout his career...

[Bellhorn04]

Mike Moustakas, Lance Lynn, Doug Fister, Jeremy Hellickson, Jonathan Lucroy, Jason Vargas.

 

Probably a few more...

 

And let's look at their fWAR's, roster impact and whether they would have actually made us a better team...

[moonslav59]

I must ask again, who exactly were all these great bargains you've referenced several times?

 

Here's a couple:

 

$4M Matt Adams

 

$6.3M Moustakas

 

There were some pitchers that went cheap, late. I can't recall their names.

 

[moonslav59]

And let's look at their fWAR's, roster impact and whether they would have actually made us a better team...

 

Well, people want to trade for Moose, now, so we could have signed him and traded him, if we did not need him.

[Slasher9]

please tell me you got that from a star wars film. Cause i am just watching the last one right now. And that was a direct quote.

 

bingo

[OH FOY]

Moustakas 2-13 over weekend, and they gave him a generous Official Score on Pearce hit Friday night, that to me looked like an error, that lead to 2 Runs. Had a HR that's it.

[Jack Flap]

You know, you are making too big a deal out of the offhand comment of the hat and ignoring the real problem with Rodney. His lack of control and the subsequent abundance of walks has caused tons of issues throughout his career...

 

Preach!

 

He just does not seem like a guy we'd want to be counting on in high-leverage situations down the stretch or in October...can't really see him being any more reliable than Kelly and Barnes, to be honest. I'm glad the RS seem to be casting a wide net in their search for relief help, but hopefully they'll take a pass on Rodney.

[Bellhorn04]

Here's a couple:

 

$4M Matt Adams

 

$6.3M Moustakas

 

There were some pitchers that went cheap, late. I can't recall their names.

 

 

There was a bunch of junk, basically.

 

Moose is it. And we've already talked about him ad nauseum.

[OH FOY]

If it's not broke, don't fix it. Doing fine.

[moonslav59]

There was a bunch of junk, basically.

 

Moose is it. And we've already talked about him ad nauseum.

 

Matt Adams (.935) is "junk?"

 

Plus, it's not like we're hind-sighting dubs that are having good years, we talked about getting some of these guys before the season started.

 

Notin mentioned some pitchers.

 

 

[S5Dewey]

Matt Adams (.935) is "junk?"

 

Plus, it's not like we're hind-sighting dubs that are having good years, we talked about getting some of these guys before the season started.

 

Notin mentioned some pitchers.

 

 

 

Ya, but.. weren't you also hot on Duda at the time?