Sox starting pitching thread

[Bellhorn04]

I think it was Lucchino that drove Theo out the door, and Henry let him walk.

 

Tito and Theo were the best.

 

One thing that gets forgotten, though, is that it was Lucchino who nominated Theo for GM after Beane declined. They had worked together in Baltimore and San Diego.

[Behindenemylines]

A number of players made significant contributions to our three recent championships. Manny and Lowell among them. However , I think it is fair to say that without David Ortiz , we would currently be looking at a 100 year curse of the Bambino.

 

Just look at Big Papi’s numbers in big games. He is the one constant force in all three championships. It takes a team, but you need to have difference makers.

[Slasher9]

Just look at Big Papi’s numbers in big games. He is the one constant force in all three championships. It takes a team, but you need to have difference makers.

 

David Ortiz was Clutch

[moonslav59]

Just look at Big Papi’s numbers in big games. He is the one constant force in all three championships. It takes a team, but you need to have difference makers.

 

He came up huge in just about every single series in our 3 championship seasons, except one, but in that one (.427 OPS), he hit the big grand slam vs Detroit.

 

His other playoff appearances (2 in 2003, 2 in 2004, 1 in 2005, 2 in 2008 and 1 in 2009, he was only over .697 in 2 out of 8 times.

 

His playoff OPS is .016 higher than his regular season OPS and .009 lower than his Sox OPS.

 

Papi was the man.

[bosoxmal]

Price has become a high dollar liability. Looks like he traded in his high leg kick and good fastball for nothing.

[Larry Cook]

Price has become a high dollar liability. Looks like he traded in his high leg kick and good fastball for nothing.

 

I think he developed a cutter or splitter and when they are working, he was really good. But when he can’t throw strikes with them, hitters sit on the fastball and they don’t miss.

[kenmeister]

Brian Johnson just went on the 10 day DL. Hopefully Velazquez goes back to starting.

[jacksonianmarch]

Velasquez will start. I expect the Sox to make a deal for a starter. He won’t be in the rotation for long

[SoxHop]

Velasquez will start. I expect the Sox to make a deal for a starter. He won’t be in the rotation for long

 

DD is probably calling Fister about now. "Hey man, long time no see, the weathes great in Bostin, heard it was a bit hot in Texas now a days."

[jacksonianmarch]

Fister is on the 60 day DL with a knee injury. He isn't eligible to return for a month

[SoxHop]

Fister is on the 60 day DL with a knee injury. He isn't eligible to return for a month

 

Dammit!

[jacksonianmarch]

With Wright's knee being arthritic and paining, he cannot be counted on. David Price has shrunk the last 2 starts and especially in the post season. Do you think the sox will have enough stones to push for another starter who will start a playoff game and push their payroll over the final hurdle?

 

I have been pondering this with Price recently falling off a cliff. Assuming the sox end up in a series and not eliminated in the play-in game, what is the playoff rotation?

 

Sale

Porcello

ERod

Price

 

I would assume this is the rotation. Similar to the Yanks with Gray falling from grace, I doubt DD leaves Price up to chance in the playoffs, especially if he falters in his next 2 starts before the deadline. I wonder if he acquires a starter and in the POs moves Price to the pen where he thrived last year. Use him as a bridge guy should one of the other guys falter. I don't put anything past DD, although with a limited farm, they aren't likely to get an ace. I do wonder if they get a guy like Eovaldi, who is finally healthy after years of arm trouble and try to slot him into the 4 hole.

[Jasonbay44]

Price was on a huge 9 game run before his two duds. I am not giving up on Price yet and still think he will be fine.

[Larry Cook]

With Wright's knee being arthritic and paining, he cannot be counted on. David Price has shrunk the last 2 starts and especially in the post season. Do you think the sox will have enough stones to push for another starter who will start a playoff game and push their payroll over the final hurdle?

 

I have been pondering this with Price recently falling off a cliff. Assuming the sox end up in a series and not eliminated in the play-in game, what is the playoff rotation?

 

Sale

Porcello

ERod

Price

 

I would assume this is the rotation. Similar to the Yanks with Gray falling from grace, I doubt DD leaves Price up to chance in the playoffs, especially if he falters in his next 2 starts before the deadline. I wonder if he acquires a starter and in the POs moves Price to the pen where he thrived last year. Use him as a bridge guy should one of the other guys falter. I don't put anything past DD, although with a limited farm, they aren't likely to get an ace. I do wonder if they get a guy like Eovaldi, who is finally healthy after years of arm trouble and try to slot him into the 4 hole.

 

Eovaldi has drank the Tampa pitching cool aid. Man is he throwing some beautiful pitches.

[moonslav59]

With Wright's knee being arthritic and paining, he cannot be counted on. David Price has shrunk the last 2 starts and especially in the post season. Do you think the sox will have enough stones to push for another starter who will start a playoff game and push their payroll over the final hurdle?

 

I have been pondering this with Price recently falling off a cliff. Assuming the sox end up in a series and not eliminated in the play-in game, what is the playoff rotation?

 

Sale

Porcello

ERod

Price

 

I would assume this is the rotation. Similar to the Yanks with Gray falling from grace, I doubt DD leaves Price up to chance in the playoffs, especially if he falters in his next 2 starts before the deadline. I wonder if he acquires a starter and in the POs moves Price to the pen where he thrived last year. Use him as a bridge guy should one of the other guys falter. I don't put anything past DD, although with a limited farm, they aren't likely to get an ace. I do wonder if they get a guy like Eovaldi, who is finally healthy after years of arm trouble and try to slot him into the 4 hole.

 

If GMs panicked after two bad starts in a row, we'd have no starters left, except maybe Sale.

[kenmeister]

I have faith in Velazquez, and Jalen Beeks too. Sox management: please, for once, groom a young starter rather than trade for a veteran.

[Kimmi]

There's been a lot said about the impending cliff but as things now stand I'm willing to be happy with what we've got. While we may be able to say that Cherington would have finished the plan as well, right now we're able to compete with the Yankees and I question whether Ben would have been able to keep us competitive this year plus into the future.

 

As much as I hate to say this it looks to me like the Yankees are going to be good for several years and if we're going to be competitive we should do it in 2018 while our ducks are in a row. As far as I'm concerned I'd rather finish first this year and 3rd in the next three years than finish second every year.

 

Why are the Yankees going to be good for several years? They have a strong farm system.

 

I am so opposed to any GM depleting a farm system in an all out effort to 'win now'. It irks me even more when a GM depletes a farm system that he didn't build. IMO, Dombrowski did not have to go to the extremes that he did, and the team would still be competitive now. That's my only beef with Dombrowski.

[Kimmi]

I think a big factor was always that Lucchino spoke about himself as more of a businessman than a sorts guy and fans leapt to the conclusion everything with him was financial and it did make him look unlikeable.

 

But the guy worked for sports franchises for his entire career and probably enjoyed the winning teams as much as we did. And he certainly knew more about sports than any of us...

 

To be fair, as much as Lucchino knows about baseball, his main purpose behind baseball moves was putting fans in the seats. The way a baseball ops persons builds a team (to get the most wins) is different than the way a businessman builds a team (to make the most money). Sometimes, those two ideas are not mutually exclusive, but many times they do not mesh.

 

The moves that I blame Lucchino for are the types of 'splashy' or 'sexy' moves that just do not make any sense from a baseball ops point of view, especially one that is advanced metrics oriented. Pablo is Exhibit A.

[Kimmi]

In listening to Lucchino I never got the idea that he knew a lot about sports. I always felt that his forte, his role in management, was that he knew how to make money.

Of course I also felt that he had all the personality of a STOP sign so that may have influenced my opinion.

 

He probably knows more than we give him credit for, but his main goal was to make money. That can be a bad thing from a baseball ops point of view.

[Kimmi]

One thing that gets forgotten, though, is that it was Lucchino who nominated Theo for GM after Beane declined. They had worked together in Baltimore and San Diego.

 

I'm not saying that Lucchino purposely drove Theo away or that he wanted Theo gone, but I do believe that his strong arm in baseball ops decisions led Theo to leaving. It was the root behind the gorilla suit fiasco.

[Kimmi]

Price was on a huge 9 game run before his two duds. I am not giving up on Price yet and still think he will be fine.

 

^^This.

[a700hitter]

I have faith in Velazquez, and Jalen Beeks too. Sox management: please, for once, groom a young starter rather than trade for a veteran.

Maybe they just don’t have the talent to succeed. It’s not like the league is stocked with good pitchers from the Red Sox farm. You can’t develop a pitcher if you suck at drafting pitching talent.

[notin]

I have faith in Velazquez, and Jalen Beeks too. Sox management: please, for once, groom a young starter rather than trade for a veteran.

 

Ironic you ask they “groom” a young starter.,,

[a700hitter]

I'm not saying that Lucchino purposely drove Theo away or that he wanted Theo gone, but I do believe that his strong arm in baseball ops decisions led Theo to leaving. It was the root behind the gorilla suit fiasco.

But he drove away Theo? And is he the reason why Ben finished last 3 of 4 seasons? Last time that I looked, Ben is into his 3rd year since being replaced and no one will trust him with a payroll.

[S5Dewey]

Why are the Yankees going to be good for several years? They have a strong farm system.

 

I am so opposed to any GM depleting a farm system in an all out effort to 'win now'. It irks me even more when a GM depletes a farm system that he didn't build. IMO, Dombrowski did not have to go to the extremes that he did, and the team would still be competitive now. That's my only beef with Dombrowski.

 

I've always been of the belief that the reason the Sox went 86 years without a WSC is because they never were in Win Now Mode, they were always in Wait 'Til Next Year Mode.

[Spudboy]

I've always been of the belief that the reason the Sox went 86 years without a WSC is because they never were in Win Now Mode, they were always in Wait 'Til Next Year Mode.

 

Of course you have lived in this market and have experienced the drought and disappointments.

[cp176]

I've always been of the belief that the reason the Sox went 86 years without a WSC is because they never were in Win Now Mode, they were always in Wait 'Til Next Year Mode.

 

lol - Some people are just too young to remember how it was. "Wait til next year was what I grew up with" - until 1967

[a700hitter]

Some feel that DD depleted a farm system that he didn’t build. It’s not exactly like our former farm hands are lighting up MLB. In the meantime we are into our 3rd year of an All Star closer and our 2nd year of an Ace All Star starter. That isn’t depletion. That is maximizing assets. He kept Benintendi, and Devers. He kept the right guys.

[Spudboy]

Some feel that DD depleted a farm system that he didn’t build. It’s not exactly like our former farm hands are lighting up MLB. In the meantime we are into our 3rd year of an All Star closer and our 2nd year of an Ace All Star starter. That isn’t depletion. That is maximizing assets. He kept Benintendi, and Devers. He kept the right guys.

 

Oh but he could have done it another way and maintained a high ranking of the Sox farm system and a perpetual flow of young, cost controlled talent to Fenway!!!!!1!!!

 

Who cares about division titles and playoff births?

[cp176]

Oh but he could have done it another way and maintained a high ranking of the Sox farm system and a perpetual flow of young, cost controlled talent to Fenway!!!!!1!!!

 

Who cares about division titles and playoff births?

 

Oh boy - you rascal you!!!