Hanley DFA’d

[vegasbob]

Ignorance is bliss

[Jasonbay44]

Hanley could really strive in Baltimore.

 

Chris Davis is not getting it done for them and hanley’s Swing should play well there.

 

Why would the Orioles even want him? They're better off playing some young guys, they're awful.

[mvp 78]

Why would the Orioles even want him? They're better off playing some young guys, they're awful.

 

Yup. They have NO incentive to win. If their young guys are leading the charge and they get to .500, it'll be a good experience. Otherwise, they have no use for Hanley especially if Cora thinks he won't do well on the bench. They are also loaded with 1b/DH types.

[notin]

Yup. They have NO incentive to win. If their young guys are leading the charge and they get to .500, it'll be a good experience. Otherwise, they have no use for Hanley especially if Cora thinks he won't do well on the bench. They are also loaded with 1b/DH types.

 

The only real advantage Hanley gives them is that he would make minimum wage.

 

They could sign him, and if a contender has a 1B/DH injury and Hanley manages to get hot, he might be a reasonable trade piece for them, and they could move him and his minimum wage butt for a reasonable farm piece while Boston kept footing the majority of the bill.

 

If nothing else, he becomes a much better trade candidate than all their other expendable 1B/DH types.

[Station 13]

If I were an O fan, I would revolt at the sight of Hanley playing. Do you want to add s*** topping to your sundaes?

[mvp 78]

The only real advantage Hanley gives them is that he would make minimum wage.

 

They could sign him, and if a contender has a 1B/DH injury and Hanley manages to get hot, he might be a reasonable trade piece for them, and they could move him and his minimum wage butt for a reasonable farm piece while Boston kept footing the majority of the bill.

 

If nothing else, he becomes a much better trade candidate than all their other expendable 1B/DH types.

 

We already saw his season bottom out though. I'm sure every other GM has looked at his May numbers and his past history and are just realizing there isn't much meat left on that bone.

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley is still the ultimate fooler, the ultimate tease.

 

With our offense struggling some folks are now lamenting his departure, in spite of the following facts:

 

-His FWAR this year was -.01.

-3 of his 4 years with us he posted a negative fWAR.

-The $22 million vesting option.

 

Hanley is like Lady Luck at a casino. Even though you've been losing and losing you think if you give her one more try it's sure to pay off.

[notin]

If I were an O fan, I would revolt at the sight of Hanley playing. Do you want to add s*** topping to your sundaes?

 

If you were an O's fan, you would not have sundaes...

[notin]

We already saw his season bottom out though. I'm sure every other GM has looked at his May numbers and his past history and are just realizing there isn't much meat left on that bone.

 

It's very possible.

 

OTOH, if you lose a 1B/DH to injury or suspension or whatever, he is practically free to give a tryout to.

[a700hitter]

Hanley is still the ultimate fooler, the ultimate tease.

 

With our offense struggling some folks are now lamenting his departure, in spite of the following facts:

 

-His FWAR this year was -.01.

-3 of his 4 years with us he posted a negative fWAR.

-The $22 million vesting option.

 

Hanley is like Lady Luck at a casino. Even though you've been losing and losing you think if you give her one more try it's sure to pay off.

And he is still a better hitter than our 2 catchers, Swihart and Bradley. There was no reason to keep Swihart who can't play a position or hit. And he has no long term role on this team. in retrospect, the correct move was to DFA Swihart and try to get something back in a trade and then to DFA Hanley when Pedroia returns.

[notin]

And he is still a better hitter than our 2 catchers, Swihart and Bradley. There was no reason to keep Swihart who can't play a position or hit. And he has no long term role on this team. in retrospect, the correct move was to DFA Swihart and try to get something back in a trade and then to DFA Hanley when Pedroia returns.

 

The correct move might have been to trade Swihart in March.

 

At some point, the roster spot he occupies will be more valuable than he is...

[a700hitter]

The correct move might have been to trade Swihart in March.

 

At some point, the roster spot he occupies will be more valuable than he is...

I think we are at that point.

[a700hitter]

Should Dave pick up Melky Cabrera and try to catch lightning in a bottle? He has been brutal this season, but he has had some very good seasons with the bat.

 

Edit: And as brutal as he has been, he is still OPSing 100+ points more than Swihart.

[notin]

Should Dave pick up Melky Cabrera and try to catch lightning in a bottle? He has been brutal this season, but he has had some very good seasons with the bat.

 

Edit: And as brutal as he has been, he is still OPSing 100+ points more than Swihart.

 

.. and 150 points less than Hanley...

[a700hitter]

.. and 150 points less than Hanley...

Yep, but there is no undoing that mistake.

[notin]

Yep, but there is no undoing that mistake.

 

Theoretically there is. But it isn't going to happen...

[a700hitter]

Theoretically there is. But it isn't going to happen...

GM's don't normally like to eat crow.

[notin]

Maybe a deal of Blake Swihart for Wilmer Difo?

 

Both players are 26 with plenty of service time left. The Nationals are getting limited production from their catching situation and have Danny Murphy back off the DL. The Sox are getting limited help from Nunez at 2b and Holt can't back up everyone at once.

[moonslav59]

Maybe a deal of Blake Swihart for Wilmer Difo?

 

Both players are 26 with plenty of service time left. The Nationals are getting limited production from their catching situation and have Danny Murphy back off the DL. The Sox are getting limited help from Nunez at 2b and Holt can't back up everyone at once.

 

How much value would adding Hembree to a Swihart package be? Both are out of options and would give us much more flexibility with farm to majors roster moves (not like we have great farm players being held back).

[jacksonianmarch]

Swihart has no value. Hembree has slightly more value. You’ll get a bucket of balls with that package

[moonslav59]

Swihart has no value. Hembree has slightly more value. You’ll get a bucket of balls with that package

 

About a third of the top 60 MLB catchers by PAs have an OPS under .550.

 

I'm thinking some team might take a flyer on Swihart. I'm not expecting much value in return, but if we add Hembree, we might be able to get something usable.

 

[Kimmi]

Hanley is still the ultimate fooler, the ultimate tease.

 

With our offense struggling some folks are now lamenting his departure, in spite of the following facts:

 

-His FWAR this year was -.01.

-3 of his 4 years with us he posted a negative fWAR.

-The $22 million vesting option.

 

Hanley is like Lady Luck at a casino. Even though you've been losing and losing you think if you give her one more try it's sure to pay off.

 

I have been lamenting the Hanley DFA since it happened. I don't think it was the right move in terms of baseball moves. I know how bad Hanley's numbers were in May. He was pretty good in April though. I don't think Hanley would make or break the team, and I think our offense is fine without him. That being said, I do think he would contribute positively to the team for the remainder of the season.

[Kimmi]

And he is still a better hitter than our 2 catchers, Swihart and Bradley. There was no reason to keep Swihart who can't play a position or hit. And he has no long term role on this team. in retrospect, the correct move was to DFA Swihart and try to get something back in a trade and then to DFA Hanley when Pedroia returns.

 

The thing is, there were several other options that could have kept Hanley from being DFA'd so early in the season.

[notin]

About a third of the top 60 MLB catchers by PAs have an OPS under .550.

 

I'm thinking some team might take a flyer on Swihart. I'm not expecting much value in return, but if we add Hembree, we might be able to get something usable.

 

 

And I don't think Difo represents much value...

[Bellhorn04]

I have been lamenting the Hanley DFA since it happened. I don't think it was the right move in terms of baseball moves. I know how bad Hanley's numbers were in May. He was pretty good in April though. I don't think Hanley would make or break the team, and I think our offense is fine without him. That being said, I do think he would contribute positively to the team for the remainder of the season.

 

Kimmi, sometimes I rely pretty heavily on WAR. Hanley posted a negative WAR in 2017 and 2018 - which also happened to be his vesting option period. He was on pace to earn a $22 million payday for continued negative WAR. That is the brutal reality. And I liked the guy, too. But he had become an albatross. A little bit of power was all that was left. .700 OPS, very bad baserunner and a negative defensive player.

[Kimmi]

Kimmi, sometimes I rely pretty heavily on WAR. Hanley posted a negative WAR in 2017 and 2018 - which also happened to be his vesting option period. He was on pace to earn a $22 million payday for continued negative WAR. That is the brutal reality. And I liked the guy, too. But he had become an albatross. A little bit of power was all that was left. .700 OPS, very bad baserunner and a negative defensive player.

 

I can't argue with any of that. All I've been saying is that he was DFA'd too soon. We all know that if he didn't have the option, he would not have been let go in May. Hanley was brutal in May, but he was pretty darn good in April. Don't you think it's possible that he was going to break out of the slump and be a decent right handed bat for this team?

 

IMO, the FO made a move based on improving the financial situation for next year while likely weakening the team somewhat. That's not the type of decision to make when you are trying to win a pennant. At least wait until the deadline to see if Hanley could rebound.

[notin]

GM's don't normally like to eat crow.

 

That doesn't mean they shouldn't...

[Bellhorn04]

I can't argue with any of that. All I've been saying is that he was DFA'd too soon. We all know that if he didn't have the option, he would not have been let go in May. Hanley was brutal in May, but he was pretty darn good in April. Don't you think it's possible that he was going to break out of the slump and be a decent right handed bat for this team?

 

IMO, the FO made a move based on improving the financial situation for next year while likely weakening the team somewhat. That's not the type of decision to make when you are trying to win a pennant. At least wait until the deadline to see if Hanley could rebound.

 

I have to respect their judgment in this case. I think they sized up Hanley's numbers and the issues with regard to the vesting option and decided the potential problems outweighed any potential benefits.

[Maxbialystock]

Who knew the Hanley Ramirez fan club was so darn big on talksox? I am stunned with all these endorsements for a guy who was earning maybe $2M of that $22M he was being paid this year and, if he vested, again next year.

 

moonslav put it best when he said DD came to that conclusion last winter when he re-signed Moreland and went after JDM. And you can bet he was more than willing to deal HanRam to anyone dumb enough to do so. But he couldn't, so the instructions to Cora were probably: "play him as much as possible so we can solidify our decision or reverse it." Thus, even though the Sox had a decent 1B in Moreland and a very good DH in JDM, HanRam played all but 6 of the 44 games the Sox played before he left.

 

I can't help but think one little factor was that time he was on 1b and I think Moreland hit a double to right center with two men out. HanRam slowed down to watch it, hoping it would go out and he could jog around the bases. Finally, he sped up and was thrown out at home. Very unprofessional. That one thing might have convinced Cora-- this guy ain't a player when it counts, or maybe he thinks he can get away with stuff with a rookie manager in the dugout.

[notin]

 

I can't help but think one little factor was that time he was on 1b and I think Moreland hit a double to right center with two men out. HanRam slowed down to watch it, hoping it would go out and he could jog around the bases. Finally, he sped up and was thrown out at home. Very unprofessional. That one thing might have convinced Cora-- this guy ain't a player when it counts, or maybe he thinks he can get away with stuff with a rookie manager in the dugout.

 

If baserunning miscues were grounds for DFA, Moreland himself might be the first one out the door. Starting with that boneheaded triple play in Baltimore and up through his single off the center field wall against the White Sox, Moreland has shown a pretty fair lack of awareness on the bases.

 

It was the option and very likely the option alone. ..