Hanley DFA’d

[mvp 78]

lol. what a f***ing crock of s***. f*** cora and DD for even saying this s***. keep your mouths shut. no reason to f***ing disparage the dude and kick him in the f***ing nuts on his way to throwing him out the door.

 

Cora didn't kick him in the nuts at all. It's not like he said "well he was one of the 5 worst full time players in the majors in May so we had to let him go."

[Spudboy]

Soon as he clears waivers he will sign somewhere.

[harmony]

Soon as he clears waivers he will sign somewhere.

If the signing team is confident that the club is not on the hook for the vesting option.

[Bellhorn04]

If the signing team is confident that the club is not on the hook for the vesting option.

 

Which I'm sure they will be. The countdown is on.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

No grievance will be filed.

 

Agreed; by all statistical measures, Hanley was a bad baseball player and bad baseball players get released, option or not.

 

The Red Sox have the autonomy to release bad baseball players, option or not.

 

Hanley has no legitimate grievance claim here. If he had an OPS+ of 130 and was leading the league in HRs, he has a claim, but he wasn't doing that, not even close.

[SoxHop]

“I think his role was going to diminish,” Cora said of Ramirez. “For how good of a player he is, it was going to be difficult. It was probably going to be a platoon, maybe come in and pinch hit late in games, and that’s not a perfect role for Hanley Ramirez. He’s a guy who he needs his at-bats, and obviously with the versatility that we have with the other players — with Brock [Holt], with [Eduardo] Nunez, and with Blake [swihart] — as far as managing the game, it’s a lot easier with those guys.”

 

Glad you posted this. I saw the rublings of them taking a shot at Hanley, but it doesn't seem that way at all.

 

OB and Remy gave a brief yet glowing send off of Hanley and how he was as a person and in the clubhouse. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't like the guy. The DFA was all business. End of story for me.

[FredLynn]

If the signing team is confident that the club is not on the hook for the vesting option.

 

Since you are so convinced that whichever team signs Hanley will be on the hook for his vesting option, let me offer you this bet: I bet that the vesting option will never happen. If I lose, I donate $100 to your favorite charity. If you lose you donate $100 to MY favorite charity. I do not bet often-only when I am sure of the result.

What say you??

Edited May 31, 2018 by FredLynn

[moonslav59]

Glad you posted this. I saw the rublings of them taking a shot at Hanley, but it doesn't seem that way at all.

 

OB and Remy gave a brief yet glowing send off of Hanley and how he was as a person and in the clubhouse. They wouldn't have done that if they didn't like the guy. The DFA was all business. End of story for me.

 

No talk of "antics" at all, right- from anybody?

[a700hitter]

No talk of "antics" at all, right- from anybody?

Who works for the Red Sox?

[SoxHop]

What I want to know is why his helmet fell off every swing the first year, and then didn't the following years.

[Slasher9]

What I want to know is why his helmet fell off every swing the first year, and then didn't the following years.

 

same helmet - his dreads grew.

[moonslav59]

what i want to know is why his helmet fell off every swing the first year, and then didn't the following years.

 

velcro

[OH FOY]

Opposing teams in the division would make sure they grabbed Hanley, if Vesting Option triggers. They would make sure he got the at bats, so Sox, would be in Higher Payroll for next year.

It would hold Sox, from maybe adding a Big Free Agent.

Orioles, Rays, Jays, control his at bats, so Sox would have Higher Pay-roll.

Edited May 31, 2018 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

Opposing teams in the division would make sure they grabbed Hanley, if Vesting Option triggers. They would make sure he got the at bats, so Sox, would be in Higher Payroll for next year.

It would hold Sox, from maybe adding a Big Free Agent.

Orioles, Rays, Jays, control his at bats, so Sox would have Higher Pay-roll.

 

The Sox aren't on the hook for the option anymore no matter what.

[harmony]

Agreed; by all statistical measures, Hanley was a bad baseball player and bad baseball players get released, option or not.

 

The Red Sox have the autonomy to release bad baseball players, option or not.

 

Hanley has no legitimate grievance claim here. If he had an OPS+ of 130 and was leading the league in HRs, he has a claim, but he wasn't doing that, not even close.

Despite playing on a first-place team in the 2017 and 2018 seasons, Hanley Ramirez was good enough to be on pace to accumulate the 1,050 plate appearances needed to vest the 2019 option.

 

The Red Sox clearly have the authority to release any player but lack the authority to escape their contractual obligations, such as the balance of the guaranteed 2018 salary of $22 million.

 

Hanley Ramirez has a contract that says the 2019 option will vest with 1,050 plate appearances in 2017-18. If Ramirez attains that milestone with another team, what happens with the vesting option? Will teams shy away from Ramirez out of fear the option will vest? If a new contract with another team does not extinguish the 2018 salary obligation, how can the new contract extinguish the vesting option?

 

I raise the questions but have not found definitive answers.

[Bellhorn04]

Hanley Ramirez has a contract that says the 2019 option will vest with 1,050 plate appearances in 2017-18. If Ramirez attains that milestone with another team, what happens with the vesting option? Will teams shy away from Ramirez out of fear the option will vest? If a new contract with another team does not extinguish the 2018 salary obligation, how can the new contract extinguish the vesting option?

 

I raise the questions but have not found definitive answers.

 

Doesn't it seem eminently clear that a contract with a vesting option and tens of millions of dollars at stake would stipulate precisely and without confusion what happens in this sort of, not unusual, scenario?

 

It's not like Moe's Pawn Shop and Legal Services draws these things up.

Edited May 31, 2018 by Bellhorn04

[Spudboy]

If the signing team is confident that the club is not on the hook for the vesting option.

 

It is my understanding that IF he is given a release that the Sox are on the hook for only the remainder of his 2018 salary and the 22 mil for 2019 dies with his contract as soon as he signs elsewhere for the prorated portion of his current pay.

 

But thanks again for reminding me how much smarter and knowledgeable you are.

[SoxHop]

Doesn't it seem eminently clear that a contract with a vesting option and tens of millions of dollars at stake would stipulate precisely and without confusion what happens in this sort of, not unusual, scenario?

 

It's not like Moe's Pawn Shop and Legal Services draws these things up.

 

This just in, the Red Sox organization does have to pay Hanley's 22 vesting money for 2019. When the legal team was confronted and asked how that could happen, all that was replied was, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[mvp 78]

It is my understanding that IF he is given a release that the Sox are on the hook for only the remainder of his 2018 salary and the 22 mil for 2019 dies with his contract as soon as he signs elsewhere for the prorated portion of his current pay.

 

But thanks again for reminding me how much smarter and knowledgeable you are.

 

Your understanding is correct from everything I've read.

[mvp 78]

Hanley Ramirez has a contract that says the 2019 option will vest with 1,050 plate appearances in 2017-18. If Ramirez attains that milestone with another team, what happens with the vesting option? Will teams shy away from Ramirez out of fear the option will vest? If a new contract with another team does not extinguish the 2018 salary obligation, how can the new contract extinguish the vesting option?

 

I raise the questions but have not found definitive answers.

 

We can answer your question with sources over and over, but it seems like you just have everyone on ignore?

[Spudboy]

We can answer your question with sources over and over, but it seems like you just have everyone on ignore?

 

Nah. He does not have everyone on ignore.

 

That would make it impossible for him to stick his beak in and prove how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is.

[mvp 78]

Nah. He does not have everyone on ignore.

 

That would make it impossible for him to stick his beak in and prove how smart he is and how dumb everyone else is.

 

I don't want to hear from Seattle Beat Reporters or Maine DJ's. Too much #fakenews from them.

[harmony]

We can answer your question with sources over and over, but it seems like you just have everyone on ignore?

No offense but I prefer a more authoritative source than "we.":)

 

Perhaps the Red Sox contracts specifically extinguishes the vesting option if the club releases Hanley Ramirez.

 

Or not.

Edited May 31, 2018 by harmony

[a700hitter]

Message boards are the only places where this Option issue is being discussed. LOL!! You can't find anything definitive on it, because it is such a settled issue that there is no reason to bring it up by anyone who has a dog in this fight, i.e. the Union, Hanley's agent or the Red Sox. This issue is a stupid troll job.

[Bellhorn04]

No offense but I prefer a more authoritative source than "we.":)

 

Perhaps the Red Sox contracts specifically extinguishes the vesting option if the club releases Hanley Ramirez.

 

Or not.

 

Sure, perhaps the Red Sox don't really know, didn't even bother to read the contract that carefully, because either way, hey, what's another $22 million?

[Spudboy]

Message boards are the only places where this Option issue is being discussed. LOL!! You can't find anything definitive on it, because it is such a settled issue that there is no reason to bring it up by anyone who has a dog in this fight, i.e. the Union, Hanley's agent or the Red Sox. This issue is a stupid troll job.

 

Burn.

 

Or Boom.

 

Or not.

[a700hitter]

Burn.

 

Or Boom.

 

Or not.

Bamm

[Spudboy]

Sure, perhaps the Red Sox don't really know, didn't even bother to read the contract that carefully, because either way, hey, what's another $22 million?

 

I think Talksox should implement a tariff on Oregonians.

[notin]

Sure, perhaps the Red Sox don't really know, didn't even bother to read the contract that carefully, because either way, hey, what's another $22 million?

 

Yes. They didn't even read it when they wrote it...

[cp176]

And my friend swears he once saw a pterodactyl in the Bridgewater Triangle. I believe both of you though.

 

the Bridgewater triangle??? Like to see that one - be down there Sunday !