Hanley Ramirez Option Tracker

[Kimmi]

I give him those bad raps but I certainly hope he does rake this year. If he vests, so be it. As long as he remains productive through 2019.

 

IMO, if Hanley's option vests, that can only mean good things for the Red Sox this season.

[mvp 78]

IMO, if Hanley's option vests, that can only mean good things for the Red Sox this season.

 

And bad things for 2019.

[Kimmi]

And bad things for 2019.

 

Not necessarily.

[mvp 78]

Not necessarily.

 

It's about maximizing your payroll. It' a poor use of $20M since Hanley wouldn't get that AAV as a free agent.

[Natick to NC]

Why are we even concerned with 19 ???! Who cares about 19 !!! Is this college recruiting ? Dave can release ...trade ....pickup who ever the hell he and the team deam worthy to wear the uni .I personally love this Hanley and have always thought of the guy as gifted ...Good Hanley is here enjoy him .

[mvp 78]

Why are we even concerned with 19 ???! Who cares about 19 !!! Is this college recruiting ? Dave can release ...trade ....pickup who ever the hell he and the team deam worthy to wear the uni .I personally love this Hanley and have always thought of the guy as gifted ...Good Hanley is here enjoy him .

 

I'm concerned with 19 because some posters can't stop talking about a window that may or may not exist. I can't see how you can complain about a window closing, but want to spend $20M on Hanley next year.

[S5Dewey]

And bad things for 2019.

 

The window is there and it is what it is. IMO we need to worry about winning THIS YEAR and let next year take care of itself. If that means Hanley having a great year and vesting, so be it. I refuse to get so wrapped up in Hanley's not vesting that we forego a solid playoff run to keep it from happening.

[moonslav59]

Very small sample size indeed.

 

I'm encouraged by what I've seen, but it's certainly too early to determine that he will produce all season.

 

That said, I think he will have a very good season if he stays healthy.

 

I agree, and I think the real choice comes down to HRam vs Moreland vs RHPs.

 

HRam may be slightly better offensively, but Moreland is better on defense. To me, it's a pretty close call right now, but certainly HRam hitting very well vs RHPs can change that opinion.

 

If it's a toss-up or close to a toss-up, I'm going with Moreland for enough games vs righties, so HRam does not vest. If it's not close, then there's no decision to be made.

[mvp 78]

Considering Hanley's injury history, I'm not expecting him to reach the PA's even if he's hitting well.

[moonslav59]

Considering Hanley's injury history, I'm not expecting him to reach the PA's even if he's hitting well.

 

Probably right, but many of his issues have been shoulder related, of late, and maybe the surgery took care of that.

[Bellhorn04]

Considering Hanley's injury history, I'm not expecting him to reach the PA's even if he's hitting well.

 

Although he reached them last year and that was without being fully healthy.

 

50/50 proposition maybe.

[mvp 78]

Although he reached them last year and that was without being fully healthy.

 

50/50 proposition maybe.

 

I'm the eternal optimist who wants to eat my cake and have it too. I want Hanley to play like 2013 for

[moonslav59]

I'm the eternal optimist who wants to eat my cake and have it too. I want Hanley to play like 2013 for

 

Hit 45 HRs in 490 PAs and then go mental (am I allowed to say that) in the playoffs.

[Kimmi]

It's about maximizing your payroll. It' a poor use of $20M since Hanley wouldn't get that AAV as a free agent.

 

I am all about maximizing the payroll. However, Hanley is already on the team with a vesting option, which results in a different situation than signing a free agent or picking up a club option.

 

I get that Hanley's $20 mil is likely to be an overpay for 2019. But if he is raking, I'm not sitting him so that the option doesn't vest.

 

It's also about playing your best players to give the team the best chance of making the playoffs.

[Kimmi]

I'm concerned with 19 because some posters can't stop talking about a window that may or may not exist. I can't see how you can complain about a window closing, but want to spend $20M on Hanley next year.

 

Hanley's option for next year is not what is going to open or close the window after next year.

 

However, since we do have a window, we certainly want to maximize our chances this year with the players that we already have.

[moonslav59]

I am all about maximizing the payroll. However, Hanley is already on the team with a vesting option, which results in a different situation than signing a free agent or picking up a club option.

 

I get that Hanley's $20 mil is likely to be an overpay for 2019. But if he is raking, I'm not sitting him so that the option doesn't vest.

 

It's also about playing your best players to give the team the best chance of making the playoffs.

 

It's still a choice. Yes, it's not like asking to sign HRam for a 1 year deal at $22M for next year, but the answer to that question is pretty clearly a "NO!", even if he rakes this year.

 

I get the argument about "this year," but to me, HRam still has to earn the 497 PAs.

 

He's off to a good start!

 

[moonslav59]

Hanley's option for next year is not what is going to open or close the window after next year.

 

However, since we do have a window, we certainly want to maximize our chances this year with the players that we already have.

 

If keeping HRam makes us lose Kimbrel or Pom, we may not hit a cliff, but our chances to win will lessen. Then, if HRam sucks next year, like he very well may do, it's a double whammy.

[Kimmi]

I agree, and I think the real choice comes down to HRam vs Moreland vs RHPs.

 

HRam may be slightly better offensively, but Moreland is better on defense. To me, it's a pretty close call right now, but certainly HRam hitting very well vs RHPs can change that opinion.

 

If it's a toss-up or close to a toss-up, I'm going with Moreland for enough games vs righties, so HRam does not vest. If it's not close, then there's no decision to be made.

 

The original plan when signing Moreland was to form a platoon between him and Hanley. IMO, Moreland will get his playing time. It's not only about how Hanley is hitting, but about how Moreland is hitting as well.

 

The option vesting next year is not a concern for me. Let the players' performance dictate the amount of playing time. If that results in Hanley's option vesting, I'm good with that. If that results in his option not vesting, I'm good with that as well.

 

What I would have a problem with is if Hanley is significantly outperforming Moreland and they sit Hanley specifically to keep the option from vesting.

[Kimmi]

If keeping HRam makes us lose Kimbrel or Pom, we may not hit a cliff, but our chances to win will lessen. Then, if HRam sucks next year, like he very well may do, it's a double whammy.

 

That all very well could be true. But that is not all or even mostly due to Hanley's option vesting or not.

 

That has to do with the win now window that Dombrowski created to begin with.

[moonslav59]

The original plan when signing Moreland was to form a platoon between him and Hanley. IMO, Moreland will get his playing time. It's not only about how Hanley is hitting, but about how Moreland is hitting as well.

 

The option vesting next year is not a concern for me. Let the players' performance dictate the amount of playing time. If that results in Hanley's option vesting, I'm good with that. If that results in his option not vesting, I'm good with that as well.

 

What I would have a problem with is if Hanley is significantly outperforming Moreland and they sit Hanley specifically to keep the option from vesting.

 

If the differential is significant, there's no decision, unless we're 10 back on the wild card.

 

The chances are pretty good that Moreland vs RHPs + his defense will be close enough to HRam vs RHPs and his "D" to make it a close call and debatable issue this summer, assuming both stay healthy.

[moonslav59]

That all very well could be true. But that is not all or even mostly due to Hanley's option vesting or not.

 

That has to do with the win now window that Dombrowski created to begin with.

 

I don't diagree, but the facts are facts. HRam's contract is a big part of this year's and next year's budget, and DD did not sign HRam. If he vests, the $22M will surely affect who we sign or keep and who we let go. There's no denying it, unless Henry decides to go way over the top penalty limit for one year (doubtful).

 

I'm not projecting doom & gloom for 2019, if HRam returns, but the reality is, and yes it's DD's doing, that we have a window to win it all. Anything that messes with that window defeats the whole purpose of creating a 4-5 year window by sacrificing some of the extended future.

[Kimmi]

If the differential is significant, there's no decision, unless we're 10 back on the wild card.

 

The chances are pretty good that Moreland vs RHPs + his defense will be close enough to HRam vs RHPs and his "D" to make it a close call and debatable issue this summer, assuming both stay healthy.

 

If it is a close call, I will trust Cora to make the right decision on who to play.

 

Again, I will only have an issue if Hanley is the clear better choice and he is not played for the sole reason of not allowing his option to vest.

[Kimmi]

I don't diagree, but the facts are facts. HRam's contract is a big part of this year's and next year's budget, and DD did not sign HRam. If he vests, the $22M will surely affect who we sign or keep and who we let go. There's no denying it, unless Henry decides to go way over the top penalty limit for one year (doubtful).

 

I'm not projecting doom & gloom for 2019, if HRam returns, but the reality is, and yes it's DD's doing, that we have a window to win it all. Anything that messes with that window defeats the whole purpose of creating a 4-5 year window by sacrificing some of the extended future.

 

I don't really disagree with what you're saying. I just disagree with the idea of possibly sacrificing our playoff chances just to keep the option from vesting.

 

If given a choice between Hanley raking and making the playoffs this year but having the option vest, which could hurt our chances for next year, versus Hanley stinking and missing the playoffs this year, but having the money to sign somebody next year, thereby improving our chances for next year, I'm going with the first choice.

[devildavid]

Signing Hanley was a bad move and still is. It looks good compared to the Panda signing, but still a bad move. There was no position for Hanley to play, and he was coming off injury plagued seasons. Now they have to worry about his option vesting. So the problem remains.

 

As for Hanley, the player, I have no problem with the effort he has made. Injuries have hampered him and his performance has suffered. I don't see him as a key to a championship, but if he produces and stays health he certainly can play an important role. He also seems to be a guy who has fun playing the game, so I think his attitude has a positive effect.

 

Bad signing, good player.

[FredLynn]

I don't really disagree with what you're saying. I just disagree with the idea of possibly sacrificing our playoff chances just to keep the option from vesting.

 

If given a choice between Hanley raking and making the playoffs this year but having the option vest, which could hurt our chances for next year, versus Hanley stinking and missing the playoffs this year, but having the money to sign somebody next year, thereby improving our chances for next year, I'm going with the first choice.

 

Making the playoffs because Ramirez is performing well isn't enough for me to want him on the team next year-we have to have a realistic chance to win a ring. We should have a pretty decent idea (yes, I know nothing is certain once we get into the playoffs) of where we stand relative to the other playoff teams. If we can go DEEP into the playoffs, go for broke. Otherwise, next year we will BE broke.

[jad]

Signing Hanley was a bad move and still is. It looks good compared to the Panda signing, but still a bad move. There was no position for Hanley to play, and he was coming off injury plagued seasons. Now they have to worry about his option vesting. So the problem remains.

 

As for Hanley, the player, I have no problem with the effort he has made. Injuries have hampered him and his performance has suffered. I don't see him as a key to a championship, but if he produces and stays health he certainly can play an important role. He also seems to be a guy who has fun playing the game, so I think his attitude has a positive effect.

 

Bad signing, good player.

 

Exactly. Good point.

[jacksonianmarch]

Signing Hanley was a bad move and still is. It looks good compared to the Panda signing, but still a bad move. There was no position for Hanley to play, and he was coming off injury plagued seasons. Now they have to worry about his option vesting. So the problem remains.

 

As for Hanley, the player, I have no problem with the effort he has made. Injuries have hampered him and his performance has suffered. I don't see him as a key to a championship, but if he produces and stays health he certainly can play an important role. He also seems to be a guy who has fun playing the game, so I think his attitude has a positive effect.

 

Bad signing, good player.

 

I am legitimately hoping for a reasonably good season out of Hanley. This would mean the option would vest and your ability to replace Pom and Kimbrel drops dramatically

[Bellhorn04]

The economic disaster of HanRam's option vesting is being overstated a bit. Even if it happens, the $22 million comes back for the years 2020 and every year after that.

[moonslav59]

The economic disaster of HanRam's option vesting is being overstated a bit. Even if it happens, the $22 million comes back for the years 2020 and every year after that.

 

I'm one of the guys saying we should try to avoid letting HRam vest. I never said the window closes, if he vests, I just said that we have a window to win, and anything that lessens our chances to win during one of those years has to try to be avoided. Not havine Pom or Kimbrel for 2019 might not kill our chances, but it will hurt.

 

I get the argument that not having an assumed hot HRam for a few games this year, because we are benching him might lessen this year's chances, but playoff PAs don't count towards the vest. By resting HRam more, we may actually increase the odds he's healthy in October, when we really need him. Besides, you guys have all benn telling me how great the Moreland signing was, so then let the dude play vs at least half the RH'd starters. That's what we got him for.

[Bellhorn04]

I have never said the Moreland signing was a great one. I just didn't think it was a horrible one. He got a Chris Young contract to be a backup/insurance first baseman.