Fire alex cora

[jacksonianmarch]

leon, owings & Gorkys in the lineup together is not putting your best effort out there to try to win a game. its just not.

 

The sox shouldn't be trying to win games. They should be focusing on who they should keep into next year. It's audition time

[moonslav59]

The sox shouldn't be trying to win games. They should be focusing on who they should keep into next year. It's audition time

 

Try to win, but just play any and every borderline player.

 

(I said this weeks ago.)

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

leon, owings & Gorkys in the lineup together is not putting your best effort out there to try to win a game. its just not.

 

I wonder how Tito feels about Cora now?

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder how Tito feels about Cora now?

 

Tito's a smart man. He can see what kind of pitching staff we have right now and that we blew leads in the 3 games we lost in Tampa.

[moonslav59]

I wonder how Tito feels about Cora now?

 

i wonder how Cora feels about Tito.

[Slasher9]

The sox shouldn't be trying to win games. They should be focusing on who they should keep into next year. It's audition time

 

they should be trying to win games that aeffect the playoff standings. september auditions are pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. just as sss as spring training.

[Bellhorn04]

they should be trying to win games that aeffect the playoff standings. september auditions are pretty meaningless in the grand scheme of things. just as sss as spring training.

 

The thing is, though, Cora usually has reasons for why guys are playing or not playing. It's just that nobody bothers trying to look into them.

 

It looks like Leon played because they've paired him up with Chacin.

Gorkys is playing because Beni is hurt.

 

That covers 2 of the 3 wiffle bats right there.

[Bellhorn04]

The Sox also used 3 pinch-hitters last night. It might not be a 100% effort, but it's by no means blatantly not trying.

[Slasher9]

The thing is, though, Cora usually has reasons for why guys are playing or not playing. It's just that nobody bothers trying to look into them.

 

It looks like Leon played because they've paired him up with Chacin.

Gorkys is playing because Beni is hurt.

 

That covers 2 of the 3 wiffle bats right there.

 

The Sox also used 3 pinch-hitters last night. It might not be a 100% effort, but it's by no means blatantly not trying.

 

Fair.

[oldtimer]

The sox shouldn't be trying to win games. They should be focusing on who they should keep into next year. It's audition time

 

It probably wont be Owings, G Hernandez or Leon. Hard to make a case for why we acquired two of them and in Leon's case, it is more about time to move on. In the case of Marco Hernandez, do we really want a left handed second baseman going forward?

 

It is difficult to know who will be on the team next year with Cora staying and the new GM not chosen as yet. I just hope cora doesn't set a pattern for next year with so many folks out for long stinks with minor injuries and so little willingness to bring people up from the farm.

[Bellhorn04]

It probably wont be Owings, G Hernandez or Leon. Hard to make a case for why we acquired two of them and in Leon's case, it is more about time to move on. In the case of Marco Hernandez, do we really want a left handed second baseman going forward?

 

??? Marco Hernandez throws right, bats left.

[Kimmi]

i think it matters to Cleveland.

listen, i get it...we are out of it this year. but any game we play that could aeffect the postseason we should be playing full tilt to win. and this doesnt mean we have to manage it like its a game 7 but we should be managing it like its a regular season game with our best available lineup. integrity. seems this whole country has forgotten what that word means the last couple years. Sad!

 

Well said.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Just a thought .I have to wonder if Cora has been already told he's fired but can finish out season .The new GM may want to pick his own Manager in order to fix this disaster

[oldtimer]

??? Marco Hernandez throws right, bats left.

 

My mistake.

[Bellhorn04]

Just a thought .I have to wonder if Cora has been already told he's fired but can finish out season .The new GM may want to pick his own Manager in order to fix this disaster

 

HAHAHAHAHA good one.

[a700hitter]

This team basically quit after the trading deadline passed. Mookie hinted that the clubhouse was unhappy that no reinforcements would be coming. And I thought that was a shocking revelation. Players never say anything negative after the trading deadline. Let's face it, the team has looked dead since then, and the one aspect of the team that had been performing -- the hitting-- fell from 1st in run production to 4th place. That is a huge drop. It was like a stone dropping. The Yankees have scored around 100 more runs than the Red Sox since July 31st. That is incredible. Falling down to 4th from 1st in around 5 or 6 weeks is a precipitous drop. The radio announcers were talking about the precipitous drop last week. To me, it is indicative of a team that quit. For that Cora should be fired. Pitching injuries and AAAA bullpen were not his fault, but a team that quits is on him. He needs to go and so does his entire coaching staff.

[moonslav59]

This team basically quit after the trading deadline passed. Mookie hinted that the clubhouse was unhappy that no reinforcements would be coming. And I thought that was a shocking revelation. Players never say anything negative after the trading deadline. Let's face it, the team has looked dead since then, and the one aspect of the team that had been performing -- the hitting-- fell from 1st in run production to 4th place. That is a huge drop. It was like a stone dropping. The Yankees have scored around 100 more runs than the Red Sox since July 31st. That is incredible. Falling down to 4th from 1st in around 5 or 6 weeks is a precipitous drop. The radio announcers were talking about the precipitous drop last week. To me, it is indicative of a team that quit. For that Cora should be fired. Pitching injuries and AAAA bullpen were not his fault, but a team that quits is on him. He needs to go and so does his entire coaching staff.

 

Sometimes even a symbolic gesture of a trade can help morale. None happened.

[Elktonnick]

This team basically quit after the trading deadline passed. Mookie hinted that the clubhouse was unhappy that no reinforcements would be coming. And I thought that was a shocking revelation. Players never say anything negative after the trading deadline. Let's face it, the team has looked dead since then, and the one aspect of the team that had been performing -- the hitting-- fell from 1st in run production to 4th place. That is a huge drop. It was like a stone dropping. The Yankees have scored around 100 more runs than the Red Sox since July 31st. That is incredible. Falling down to 4th from 1st in around 5 or 6 weeks is a precipitous drop. The radio announcers were talking about the precipitous drop last week. To me, it is indicative of a team that quit. For that Cora should be fired. Pitching injuries and AAAA bullpen were not his fault, but a team that quits is on him. He needs to go and so does his entire coaching staff.

 

Unfortunately JH only fired DD. It seems that the talk around baseball is that Boston's front office is a dysfunctional mess. Many of the prominent national baseball writers have indicated that Henry may have a challenge replacing DD with top notch talent. In view of this, I am surprised in the face of what appears to be significant shake up of the front office that Henry did not give his incoming head of baseball ops the option of bring in his own person to be field manager. I just wonder if this will further complicate the process of replacing Dombrowski if Henry decides to go outside the organization for a replacement.

[moonslav59]

Unfortunately JH only fired DD. It seems that the talk around baseball is that Boston's front office is a dysfunctional mess. Many of the prominent national baseball writers have indicated that Henry may have a challenge replacing DD with top notch talent. In view of this, I am surprised in the face of what appears to be significant shake up of the front office that Henry did not give his incoming head of baseball ops the option of bring in his own person to be field manager. I just wonder if this will further complicate the process of replacing Dombrowski if Henry decides to go outside the organization for a replacement.

 

Maybe if they hire someone else, he'll clean house.

[Bellhorn04]

Unfortunately JH only fired DD. It seems that the talk around baseball is that Boston's front office is a dysfunctional mess. Many of the prominent national baseball writers have indicated that Henry may have a challenge replacing DD with top notch talent. In view of this, I am surprised in the face of what appears to be significant shake up of the front office that Henry did not give his incoming head of baseball ops the option of bring in his own person to be field manager. I just wonder if this will further complicate the process of replacing Dombrowski if Henry decides to go outside the organization for a replacement.

 

I don't think 'dysfunctional mess' is an accurate representation of what's being said. Here's an excerpt from Speier's story, which is the same story that floats the idea of Theo returning:

 

But there’s skepticism in the game that several of the executives with such a track record — Arizona’s Mike Hazen (the former Red Sox executive who just signed an extension with the Diamondbacks); Oakland’s Billy Beane and David Forst; Chris Antonetti and Mike Chernoff in Cleveland; Andrew Friedman of the Dodgers; or Jeff Luhnow of the Astros — would leave their jobs to pursue another that is increasingly perceived as unstable. While the resources that come with the Sox job are appealing, the ouster of Ben Cherington less than two years removed from a championship and the departure of Dombrowski after one down year have led to a perception in some corners that the position comes with impossible-to-satisfy demands.

 

"Impossible-to-satisfy demands" seems to be the key phrase.

[oldtimer]

I don't think 'dysfunctional mess' is an accurate representation of what's being said. Here's an excerpt from Speier's story, which is the same story that floats the idea of Theo returning:

 

But there’s skepticism in the game that several of the executives with such a track record — Arizona’s Mike Hazen (the former Red Sox executive who just signed an extension with the Diamondbacks); Oakland’s Billy Beane and David Forst; Chris Antonetti and Mike Chernoff in Cleveland; Andrew Friedman of the Dodgers; or Jeff Luhnow of the Astros — would leave their jobs to pursue another that is increasingly perceived as unstable. While the resources that come with the Sox job are appealing, the ouster of Ben Cherington less than two years removed from a championship and the departure of Dombrowski after one down year have led to a perception in some corners that the position comes with impossible-to-satisfy demands.

 

"Impossible-to-satisfy demands" seems to be the key phrase.

 

I wonder if the impossible to satisfy demands is a cop out for having a dreadful year, not just a bad one. I can see a team having an off year, but if it is the result of bad moves that compromise the teams chances, even going forward, then I think the firing is and was justified.

 

A GM candidate can see that ownership wants to win and is willing to put resources into doing that. Ownership also must now know that the path to competitiveness will require a reset, a rebuilding of the farm and a way past the non performing contracts. That should result in an ownership that is willing to wait and see if progress toward the goals is being made. The negative I see is that decisions regarding the manager and some front office and scouting positions has been made before a new GM is chosen. As a new GM, I would want a commitment from ownership that I could make changes where people and policies are not working.

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder if the impossible to satisfy demands is a cop out for having a dreadful year, not just a bad one. I can see a team having an off year, but if it is the result of bad moves that compromise the teams chances, even going forward, then I think the firing is and was justified.

 

"Impossible to satisfy demands" is just the writer, Alex Speier, speculating on why candidates to replace DD might shy away from the job.

 

It's pretty hard to argue that Red Sox ownership, fans and media aren't extremely demanding.

[moonslav59]

Ben had a pretty long leash with 3 last place finishes before DD, so I'm not sure 1 firing is going to scare everyone away.

 

This team wins. That's attractive to everyone.

[Bellhorn04]

Ben had a pretty long leash with 3 last place finishes before DD, so I'm not sure 1 firing is going to scare everyone away.

 

This team wins. That's attractive to everyone.

 

But this team is not in a great position compared to a lot of other teams right now.

 

And there are some tough decisions to be made.

 

I think Speier has some basis for what he's saying. He's not one to just pull stuff out of his ass.

[Kimmi]

I don't think 'dysfunctional mess' is an accurate representation of what's being said. Here's an excerpt from Speier's story, which is the same story that floats the idea of Theo returning:

 

But there’s skepticism in the game that several of the executives with such a track record — Arizona’s Mike Hazen (the former Red Sox executive who just signed an extension with the Diamondbacks); Oakland’s Billy Beane and David Forst; Chris Antonetti and Mike Chernoff in Cleveland; Andrew Friedman of the Dodgers; or Jeff Luhnow of the Astros — would leave their jobs to pursue another that is increasingly perceived as unstable. While the resources that come with the Sox job are appealing, the ouster of Ben Cherington less than two years removed from a championship and the departure of Dombrowski after one down year have led to a perception in some corners that the position comes with impossible-to-satisfy demands.

 

"Impossible-to-satisfy demands" seems to be the key phrase.

 

I'm not buying the whole dysfunctional thing. Maybe things broke down a little towards the end of Dombrowski's tenure, but the Red Sox FO's have put together more championship teams than any other since Henry took over.

 

I do think Henry tends to panic, or be impatient, as you like to put it, but that is hardly the same thing as dysfunctional.

 

I really hope they bring Theo back.

[Kimmi]

But this team is not in a great position compared to a lot of other teams right now.

And there are some tough decisions to be made.

 

I think Speier has some basis for what he's saying. He's not one to just pull stuff out of his ass.

 

Thanks Dave!

[Bellhorn04]

Thanks Dave!

 

Things could be a lot worse, actually, I guess. Baseball America just upgraded us to the #22 farm system.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Promote within is my vote .

[Elktonnick]

I don't think 'dysfunctional mess' is an accurate representation of what's being said. Here's an excerpt from Speier's story, which is the same story that floats the idea of Theo returning:

 

But there’s skepticism in the game that several of the executives with such a track record — Arizona’s Mike Hazen (the former Red Sox executive who just signed an extension with the Diamondbacks); Oakland’s Billy Beane and David Forst; Chris Antonetti and Mike Chernoff in Cleveland; Andrew Friedman of the Dodgers; or Jeff Luhnow of the Astros — would leave their jobs to pursue another that is increasingly perceived as unstable. While the resources that come with the Sox job are appealing, the ouster of Ben Cherington less than two years removed from a championship and the departure of Dombrowski after one down year have led to a perception in some corners that the position comes with impossible-to-satisfy demands.

 

"Impossible-to-satisfy demands" seems to be the key phrase.

 

I was referring more to the following: "In a column headlined "Why nobody might want to be Boston's GM," ESPN's Buster Olney detailed the negative perception of the Red Sox around baseball. According to Olney, many view the Red Sox as a dysfunctional organization with a bad culture."

 

I believe Epstein has pretty much ruled out any reunion with the Red Sox in the foreseeable future.

[cp176]

Dave Dombrowski is a well respected GM in ml baseball. I have repeatedly from what 4 or 5 posters here who have constantly complained about the job he did simply because they just don't like his methods. Did he ruin the farm? Not in my opinion at all. he did what he had to do to create what should have been a quality team for years. If the starting pitchers had remained healthy, I believe that we would be gearing up for some fall baseball. I obviously was not in favor of the firing and I certainly do not think that Cora should go but if the consensus is that this team "quit", then Cora needs to figure a few things out. His job is to make sure that they don't quit regardless of what the scoreboard says. If one of these two men had to go and the general feeling is that the team quit, then Cora should be the one pacing his bags.