Fire alex cora

[Dipre]

But why?

 

Stop

[notin]

Not you too

 

 

But why?

[mvp 78]

But that doesn't seem

 

Stop

 

like a fun thing to do?

[Hugh2]

But that doesn't seem

 

 

 

like a fun thing to do?

 

My brain......it hurts.

[mvp 78]

You shou[ld have QUOTE=A Red Sox fan named Hugh;1553362]My brain......it hurts.

 

seen how I originally formatted the post...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This is probably game thread stuff, but upon reflecting on the past weekend pitching usage vs. the Jays -- and what Cora has often said, from what he learned from Francona ("Don't chase wins")...

 

... is it possible that Red Sox management looked at this week's schedule (basically the next 10 games), and decided they would rather line up their pitching to take their best shot at beating lesser teams like KC, Detroit and Washington?

 

They gave Bello an extra day rest so he'd miss Toronto -- and opted for two bullpen games instead. Sure, they were 7-0 previously vs. the Jays, so were probably confident they'd steal another one, especially if Paxton could win Friday. It didn't happen, but maybe they think 7-3 in the next 10 (so 7-6 total, still a winning record) is better than 5-5 in the post-Jays series (even with one win over the weekend, that's only 6-7).

 

Somewhere in an analytics office there's a guy or guys doing these longterm projections. The key might be to have momentum when they finally face the Yankees -- and before the Astros and Dodgers...

[moonslav59]

This is probably game thread stuff, but upon reflecting on the past weekend pitching usage vs. the Jays -- and what Cora has often said, from what he learned from Francona ("Don't chase wins")...

 

... is it possible that Red Sox management looked at this week's schedule (basically the next 10 games), and decided they would rather line up their pitching to take their best shot at beating lesser teams like KC, Detroit and Washington?

 

They gave Bello an extra day rest so he'd miss Toronto -- and opted for two bullpen games instead. Sure, they were 7-0 previously vs. the Jays, so were probably confident they'd steal another one, especially if Paxton could win Friday. It didn't happen, but maybe they think 7-3 in the next 10 (so 7-6 total, still a winning record) is better than 5-5 in the post-Jays series (even with one win over the weekend, that's only 6-7).

 

Somewhere in an analytics office there's a guy or guys doing these longterm projections. The key might be to have momentum when they finally face the Yankees -- and before the Astros and Dodgers...

 

Every win vs TOR is a two game swing in the standing with the team most likely our easiest team to pass.

[mvp 78]

Every win vs TOR is a two game swing in the standing with the team most likely our easiest team to pass.

 

No, it's a one game swing still. It's a two game jump only if your counting the "magic number."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Every win vs TOR is a two game swing in the standing with the team most likely our easiest team to pass.

 

No doubt. Which is why is seems so mystifying to us to hold back your best young starter. We fans see "the biggest series of the year" and the Sox start two openers? Seriously?

 

Could it be those in upper management glued to fangraphs and bb-ref are looking at some bigger picture approach?

 

Now I'm waiting for a fan or two who have actually posted "none of us knows as much as we think" to rip this concept to shreds...

[Bellhorn04]

No, it's a one game swing still. It's a two game jump only if your counting the "magic number."

 

Not a fan of the two game swing concept?

[moonslav59]

No, it's a one game swing still. It's a two game jump only if your counting the "magic number."

 

I specified that the two game swing was related to the team we needed to catch, and it's 2 games.

[mvp 78]

Not a fan of the two game swing concept?

 

No, the Sox don't go from two games back to zero games back. It's not a two game swing.

 

If the Sox win and all the WC teams win it's not a one game swing. If the Sox lose and all the WC teams lose it's not a one game swing.

 

Are we just counting by twos now? The only way to get higher in the standings is for the Sox to win and the opponents to lose.

[mvp 78]

I specified that the two game swing was related to the team we needed to catch, and it's 2 games.

 

Team A and Team B are both 60 - 40 and playing each other. After that night, one team will be 61-40 and the other will be 60-41. One team will be one game back of the other, not two.

Edited August 8, 2023 by mvp 78

[moonslav59]

Team A and Team B are both 60 - 40 and playing each other. After that night, one team will be 61-40 and the other will be 60-41. One team will be one game back of the other, not two.

 

No, it's 61-40 vs 60-41 (B is 1 GB)

 

or

 

60-41 vs 61-40 (B is 1 GA, which is a "2 game swing")

[mvp 78]

No, it's 61-40 vs 60-41 (B is 1 GB)

 

or

 

60-41 vs 61-40 (B is 1 GA, which is a "2 game swing")

 

If you go from being tied to being one game back, it's a one game swing. If you go from being tied to one game ahead, it's a one game swing.

[Bellhorn04]

If you go from being tied to being one game back, it's a one game swing. If you go from being tied to one game ahead, it's a one game swing.

 

Right, but playing the game only has two possible outcomes - you're either one game ahead or one game behind.

[mvp 78]

Right, but playing the game only has two possible outcomes - you're either one game ahead or one game behind.

 

So? It's just a game where there is a guaranteed one game swing. Over the course of a 3 game series, a team could either gain 3 games, fall behind 3 games or do something in between. Not each of those things are a 2 game swing. At the end of a series sweep, it isn't a 6 game swing!

 

If the Sox beat the Royals and the BJ's lose to whoever they are playing today, is it a one game swing?

[Old Red]

No doubt. Which is why is seems so mystifying to us to hold back your best young starter. We fans see "the biggest series of the year" and the Sox start two openers? Seriously?

 

Could it be those in upper management glued to fangraphs and bb-ref are looking at some bigger picture approach?

 

Now I'm waiting for a fan or two who have actually posted "none of us knows as much as we think" to rip this concept to shreds...

I just heard some of Pap’s comments he made the other day after the sweep by the jays. He asked what the analytics were of using so many BP guys, and what the analytics were of injured players coming back. If there aren’t any I guess Bloom is trying to invent them. Also when there were some smoke somewhere around the ballpark Pap said don’t worry Bloom is still the HoBO I guess in a reference to the Pope. Also said the Red Sox were definitely underdogs now. Classic Pap telling it like it is no only from an ex ball player, but a pitcher as well. Well done Pap.

[moonslav59]

If you go from being tied to being one game back, it's a one game swing. If you go from being tied to one game ahead, it's a one game swing.

 

Nice try.

 

One team has to win whole the other loses.

 

There are just 2 outcomes: one up or one dow. That is a two game swing based on the results of just one game.

[moonslav59]

I just heard some of Pap’s comments he made the other day after the sweep by the jays. He asked what the analytics were of using so many BP guys, and what the analytics were of injured players coming back. If there aren’t any I guess Bloom is trying to invent them. Also when there were some smoke somewhere around the ballpark Pap said don’t worry Bloom is still the HoBO I guess in a reference to the Pope. Also said the Red Sox were definitely underdogs now. Classic Pap telling it like it is no only from an ex ball player, but a pitcher as well. Well done Pap.

 

Next, you'll say "Paps knows more about baseball than any of us."

[mvp 78]

Nice try.

 

One team has to win whole the other loses.

 

There are just 2 outcomes: one up or one dow. That is a two game swing based on the results of just one game.

 

Is it a two pitch swing after a called pitch on 0-0?

 

What is a one game swing?

[mvp 78]

Next, you'll say "Paps knows more about baseball than any of us."

 

That depends on what he thinks about "two game swings."

[moonslav59]

Is it a two pitch swing after a called pitch on 0-0?

 

What is a one game swing?

 

The ultimate goal post move. You're really good at it.

[Dipre]

Next, you'll say "Paps knows more about baseball than any of us."

 

He knows more about any of us about being an *******.

[moonslav59]

He knows more about any of us about being an *******.

 

The poster using him as a reference is very revealing.

[Dipre]

The poster using him as a reference is very revealing.

 

He taught me well. But the student did not surpass the master. Haven't been able to find and choke out Harper (yet).

[Deja Doh]

It's time to move on. It's been 5 years now, with a break. The magic is gone from 2018. Don't see it being rekindled.

[Bellhorn04]

It's time to move on. It's been 5 years now, with a break. The magic is gone from 2018. Don't see it being rekindled.

 

2021 was almost magical.

 

Pretty hard to perform magic with the hodgepodge roster assembled by Bloom this year.

[notin]

The poster using him as a reference is very revealing.

 

The poster using him doesn’t have his own opinions so he likes to cite players and (for some reason) journalists so he can tell you you’re wrong.

 

Of course he doesn’t listen when those same types of sources counter whatever point he is trying to make…

[notin]

He taught me well. But the student did not surpass the master. Haven't been able to find and choke out Harper (yet).

 

Don’t choke Bryce Harper. His reputation is undeserved.

 

But feel free to choke Papelbon and let the student become the master…

Edited September 6, 2023 by notin