Front office Decisions

[mvp 78]

The gist of what I'm reading on here is: Things aren't perfect, so let's blow it up.

 

Great plan!!! /s/

 

It's more likely that they tweak the roster and change the coaching before they tear it down.

[S5Dewey]

"Perfect is the enemy of Very Good".

[SoxnCycles]

The gist of what I'm reading on here is: Things aren't perfect, so let's blow it up.

 

Great plan!!! /s/

 

I don't expect the Sox to unload every player except for the ones I listed. The team doesn't need to be "blown up".

But, I wont be upset if a few of them are gone next season.

[Bellhorn04]

I can't agree with this.

 

Bogey and Vazquez are great with the fans and have gone out of their way to interact with the next generation of great Sox fans.

 

The OF is fun as hell to watch. They are athletic, strong, fast and great fielders. What more could you want?

 

Devers is a 20 year old guy with generational talent and a baby face.

 

Pedroia has been on the team since winning a ROY in 07 and MVP 08. He's beloved by the vast majority of fans.

 

The rotation consists of last year's CY, one of the greatest arms in baseball and a guy who was an AS last year who had an ERA of 3.3 the last two years and is currently 15-5.

 

The pen has one of the best closers in the game who throws HEAT and a nasty change. They have a guy who was a hero on the last WS team and has fought his way back from numerous injuries. They have another guy who pumps in FB's at 100+ and has a weird mustache.

 

Aside from Hanley and Price, who is really unlikable on the team? Hanley has a great personality and is only unliked because of his contract.

 

I agree with this, and I think your honesty is refreshing.

[Maxbialystock]

I can't agree with this.

 

Bogey and Vazquez are great with the fans and have gone out of their way to interact with the next generation of great Sox fans.

 

The OF is fun as hell to watch. They are athletic, strong, fast and great fielders. What more could you want?

 

Devers is a 20 year old guy with generational talent and a baby face.

 

Pedroia has been on the team since winning a ROY in 07 and MVP 08. He's beloved by the vast majority of fans.

 

The rotation consists of last year's CY, one of the greatest arms in baseball and a guy who was an AS last year who had an ERA of 3.3 the last two years and is currently 15-5.

 

The pen has one of the best closers in the game who throws HEAT and a nasty change. They have a guy who was a hero on the last WS team and has fought his way back from numerous injuries. They have another guy who pumps in FB's at 100+ and has a weird mustache.

 

Aside from Hanley and Price, who is really unlikable on the team? Hanley has a great personality and is only unliked because of his contract.

 

Better than what I wrote. A lot of solid points about why we like watching these guys. Both catchers, the entire outfield, and SS and 3b will all be under 30 next year--I think the average will be around 26. Even counting Fister and Price, the average age of the rotation will be around 29.

 

Over 30 lineup guys will be HanRam, Pedey, Nunez, and probably whoever plays 1b unless it's Travis.

[mvp 78]

I agree with this, and I think your honesty is refreshing.

 

+1,000,000

[cp176]

I've actually come to like this team quite a bit. Price might be the exception i guess. With him though, I am much more concerned with how he performs on the field. We have dealt with other talented *******s before and done just fine. I am very much aware of all of the statistics that say that almost all of these guys are underperforming at the plate. What I have a problem with is that most of them have not played long enough to establish a pattern that would lead people to think that they are performing below their career norms. What are their career norms? how many years do you have to play before you even have career norms? I hope that they can pick up the pace as we go along, I just think that some here expected them to put up numbers similar to last years. They might have been over rated to begin with. I still think that they are young enough to surprise us all though!

[oldtimer]

The gist of what I'm reading on here is: Things aren't perfect, so let's blow it up.

 

Great plan!!! /s/

 

I don't hear it that way at all. While some would recommend major changes, others look for replacement of those team elements that haven't stood the test this year and are on the lower side of the value for their positions. Bogaerts is one of those, Hanley is another but hard to change, Holt and Leon are also sub par and JBJ is fringe, mainly due to his stellar defense. Clearly our hitting coach should be considered a negative and possibly JF as well, particularly if the team swoons late. Most us us want Nunez back and want the team to go for a top hitting 1st baseman to replace Moreland.

 

To sit tight with the same guys who are not getting it done while facing teams like the Guardians, Astros and even the Yankees doesn't make a lot of sense. All of those teams will continue to try to be even more competitive going forward and we need to as well.

[Slasher9]

+1,000,000

 

do you really agree? or are you giving credit to an opposing viewpoint?

[Slasher9]

I've actually come to like this team quite a bit. Price might be the exception i guess. With him though, I am much more concerned with how he performs on the field. We have dealt with other talented *******s before and done just fine. I am very much aware of all of the statistics that say that almost all of these guys are underperforming at the plate. What I have a problem with is that most of them have not played long enough to establish a pattern that would lead people to think that they are performing below their career norms. What are their career norms? how many years do you have to play before you even have career norms? I hope that they can pick up the pace as we go along, I just think that some here expected them to put up numbers similar to last years. They might have been over rated to begin with. I still think that they are young enough to surprise us all though!

 

+1,000,000

[mvp 78]

do you really agree? or are you giving credit to an opposing viewpoint?

 

I disagree with Bellhorn, because no one should agree with me.

[cp176]

+1,000,000

 

What you said earlier. Do you really agree with me here Slasher or are you just trying to make me feel good about myself ? lol

[Jack Flap]

He was just signed to some weird lifetime contract. Maybe he can work the PA. I'd be down with that.

 

Only if he can curse as much as he wants.

[moonslav59]

We can't sit tight this winter.

 

We can;t really trade away anyone of value without opening another hole that will then need to be filled.

 

We have some players like Travis, Swihart, Hernandez and Lin who show some promise and could surprise people, but none of these guys are the type you can feel confident handing a FT job to after trading away a starter.

 

No, I think our holes have to be filled via free agency. The problem is, there is no solid clea-up hitter who plays 1B on this winter's FA market.

 

I can see us trying for another one year solution at 1B and then rolling the dice large next winter. Maybe we sign Duda or Morrison- maybe Alonso or Santana. I doubt we ho with Hosmer or Moustakas. I guess is can sign one of these guys AND Nunez, we might see a gain over what Moreland gave us this year. Maybe a deadline deal can then put us over the top. Let's assume we sign Duda & Fister and look to the deadline for help:

 

1. Bogey SS

2. Pedey 2B/DH

3. Beni LF

4. Betts RF

5. Devers 3B

6. Duda 1B

7. HRam DH

8. JBJ CF

9. Vaz/Leon C

 

Bench: Leon, Holt, Travis, Hernandez or Lin

 

SP: Sale, Price, Pom, Porch, ERod, Fister

RP: Kimb, Smith, Thorn, Kelly, Wright, Work, Barnes/Ross

 

Not much more impressive than this year.

 

 

 

[notin]

The Sox aren't signing Nunez, who has been very open about his desire to return to San Francisco. And for the money he is likely to want, it's a bit pricey for a utility player. Especially when the Sox might have Holt, Hernandez, Lin, and maybe even Swihart in similar roles already. ..

[moonslav59]

The Sox aren't signing Nunez, who has been very open about his desire to return to San Francisco. And for the money he is likely to want, it's a bit pricey for a utility player. Especially when the Sox might have Holt, Hernandez, Lin, and maybe even Swihart in similar roles already. ..

 

I doubt Nunez comes back, but if all we can do is sign a guy like Duda, Alosno or Morrison, we could try to make up for the short-comings by making a strong bid for Nunez.

[S5Dewey]

The Sox aren't signing Nunez, who has been very open about his desire to return to San Francisco. And for the money he is likely to want, it's a bit pricey for a utility player. Especially when the Sox might have Holt, Hernandez, Lin, and maybe even Swihart in similar roles already. ..

 

Sometimes these rumors about a player going where he wants to play may keep a team from making the strongest offer for a player. Look at Brad Ziegler. I'd liked to have resigned him but the consensus from what he'd said was that he wanted to go back West. Instead he's in Florida. Sometimes AD/DC is right and MONEY TALKS!

[a700hitter]

The Sox aren't signing Nunez, who has been very open about his desire to return to San Francisco. And for the money he is likely to want, it's a bit pricey for a utility player. Especially when the Sox might have Holt, Hernandez, Lin, and maybe even Swihart in similar roles already. ..

I think Nunez is much better than those other players.

[moonslav59]

I think Nunez is much better than those other players.

 

Agreed, but he's not a good fielder anywhere.

 

He's a much better bat than Holt, even the old Holt, but they are similar in the they both can play substandard defense at many positions.

 

No way can we hand any key role to Hernandez, Lin or Travis at this point in their careers.

 

 

 

 

[a700hitter]

Agreed, but he's not a good fielder anywhere.

 

He's a much better bat than Holt, even the old Holt, but they are similar in the they both can play substandard defense at many positions.

 

No way can we hand any key role to Hernandez, Lin or Travis at this point in their careers.

 

 

 

 

He can rotate around the IF and DH without hurting us too much. Pedroia will need more regular rest and Nunez may not be a step down at 3B from Devers if he falters. He is a very solid offensive player that adds depth to the lineup.

[moonslav59]

He can rotate around the IF and DH without hurting us too much. Pedroia will need more regular rest and Nunez may not be a step down at 3B from Devers if he falters. He is a very solid offensive player that adds depth to the lineup.

 

I've been a big Marco Hernandez fan from the start, but I'd love to bring Nunez back and maybe cut Holt loose, although I'm not sure I'm ready for Lin to be our 4th OF'er.

 

Maybe we sign or trade for a 1B/LF big bat that allows for some flex at DH, OF, 1B and the rest of the IF.

[Larry Cook]

Another reason desperate dave might want to resign Nunez is because pedroia has become a banana that bruises very easy and only good for 100 games or so per year.

[southpaw777]

One truly bad move by DD was Shaw and Price. giving Panda the job when devers wasnt quite ready yet. Its worked iut good thank god. I didnt care for the price deal. Just dumb. Although i can understand because of his ALEast experience and he looked great. His artitude needs to change here though. Oh and maybe he could pitcj good too for 30m per... i doubt anyone thought hes look this terrible. Id say overall he's done a good job so far...i dont like Farrell but Ill give him some credit too this year. Not as many head scratchers.good for him.

The lineup on paper before the season looked good. 90 win team, and seeing were in 1st place with a solid record, im not really seeing what all the complaining is about... Pom has looked great while Anderson wont throw until late 2018 or 2019. Kimbrel is the best close in the league. Dom has done MUCH better than Ben, and if the players in his 1st draft start making their way to boston over the next 2-3 years (looks like a couple keepers in the group) he will get another good grade by me.

Edited September 15, 2017 by southpaw777

[Bellhorn04]

Another reason desperate dave might want to resign Nunez is because pedroia has become a banana that bruises very easy and only good for 100 games or so per year.

 

You're a real beacon of sunshine Larry.

[cp176]

Agreed, but he's not a good fielder anywhere.

 

He's a much better bat than Holt, even the old Holt, but they are similar in the they both can play substandard defense at many positions.

 

No way can we hand any key role to Hernandez, Lin or Travis at this point in their careers.

 

 

 

 

 

If it was a choice between Nunez and the rest of the guys mentioned, it really wouldn't be much of choice for me. nunez all the way - deficiencies and all no question. he can hit, he can run, and he is tough. Hernandez still gets a like for me but still just not sure. Lin - good glove 0 bat. Travis - maybe but need some power. Holt - thank you for what you have done for us. Swihart ?- perhaps - we just don't know.

[oldtimer]

If it was a choice between Nunez and the rest of the guys mentioned, it really wouldn't be much of choice for me. nunez all the way - deficiencies and all no question. he can hit, he can run, and he is tough. Hernandez still gets a like for me but still just not sure. Lin - good glove 0 bat. Travis - maybe but need some power. Holt - thank you for what you have done for us. Swihart ?- perhaps - we just don't know.

 

I think you undervalue Lin's bat. He has good mechanics and a good plate approach. He isn't ever going to hit for power but he is likely to hit for an acceptable average to be a utility player. He isn't currently getting any looks so I would hold judgment on his capability.

[cp176]

I think you undervalue Lin's bat. He has good mechanics and a good plate approach. He isn't ever going to hit for power but he is likely to hit for an acceptable average to be a utility player. He isn't currently getting any looks so I would hold judgment on his capability.

 

i knew that I would get a response from you on this one. Good for you! I've had my share of guys that I have supported over the years who really had not been given much of a chance. Some worked out and some didn't. I am one of the few who liked the Pomeranz trade when it happened and like it more today. Hernandez is also a guy who i really think just needs to stay healthy and get a chance. I also am not as sure as some that Swihart is just done. Too much talent there. I also really thought that marrero when he was signed was going to be our next very good shortstop. As for Lin, I agree that his glove is big league. I actually don't disagree with anything that you said, i have been following his progress for a couple of years now and I just don't see the bat developing like you do. i think that he might be just a slight upgrade over marrero. I wouldn't mind being wrong about him though.

[Nick]

One truly bad move by DD was Shaw and Price. giving Panda the job when devers wasnt quite ready yet. Its worked iut good thank god. I didnt care for the price deal. Just dumb. Although i can understand because of his ALEast experience and he looked great. His artitude needs to change here though. Oh and maybe he could pitcj good too for 30m per... i doubt anyone thought hes look this terrible. Id say overall he's done a good job so far...i dont like Farrell but Ill give him some credit too this year. Not as many head scratchers.good for him.

The lineup on paper before the season looked good. 90 win team, and seeing were in 1st place with a solid record, im not really seeing what all the complaining is about... Pom has looked great while Anderson wont throw until late 2018 or 2019. Kimbrel is the best close in the league. Dom has done MUCH better than Ben, and if the players in his 1st draft start making their way to boston over the next 2-3 years (looks like a couple keepers in the group) he will get another good grade by me.

 

We don't win Division without Price last year. Coming off 3 FREAKING LAST PLACES IN 4 YEARS, what did you expect 'new GM' DD to do? Continue with same path? Only games I watched were the ones started by E Rod that year. We SUCKED. Do you honestly think Sox fans would have been okay with same old s*** last year?

 

Shaw trade looks horrible due to injury to Thornburg and Sox hope in recovering some monetary value from our whipping boy Pablo Sandoval. Who knew that Pablo's problem had nothing to do with his eating habits? He just can't hit. We already knew he couldn't play defense.

[southpaw777]

I just said i didnt like the price deal. No need to be that emotional with your text. I never thought he would be a good fit here and he really isnt. I think overall he's been a bust considering his pay and expectations. If you disagree then fine, but thats my opinion on him. Pablo should have NEVER been signed IMHO. And EVERYONE knew about his weight issues. I said it when it happened and ill say it now. BOTH were dumb. But i understand when ownership needs a splash. I get it. Still Didnt make it a smart move IMO.

Relying on Panda was the problem I had, not so much Thornburgs injury. To me anyway, that was the issue. But honestly trading Shaw didnt bother me as much as the Panda and Price signings because devers wasnt that far out from Boston and relief pitchers are relief pitchers...unless their closers.

Once again, like I said...Overall Dom has done a good job. So please understand and Dont think im gonna like every move that he or any GM makes. I had valid reasons for my concerns with those deals.

[mvp 78]

Another reason desperate dave might want to resign Nunez is because pedroia has become a banana that bruises very easy and only good for 100 games or so per year.

 

I don't think he gets hurt more easily than other players. I think his style of play and aging body will add up to more DL stints for the rest of his career.