Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[mvp 78]

Michael Chavis does not have a long enough track record for the Athletics to trade Yonder Alonso for him.

 

That is also true.

[Nick]

Devers can hit it out the park to all fields at any time,” Febles said. “It’s hard to find guys like that.”

 

One veteran American League scout I spoke with Friday night thinks the hit tool is ready for the big leagues right now.

 

“They could slot him fifth in the order and he’d carry the spot tomorrow if there was room for him up there,” the scout noted

 

by Mark Shreve June 5, 2017

 

 

We prefer giving up prospects for a rental instead.

[Kimmi]

I know some feel differently, but I still think the trade for Peavy in 2013 was a good one.

 

I agree. And even if it's not a good trade, it was a necessary trade, much like the one for Pomeranz last year.

[Kimmi]

You would have to figure a few million over should not be a big deal?

 

I call on Donaldson. Maybe Toronto has cashed it in this year and next. 1 year left at $18 in 2018. Would be the middle of the order player they need with plus plus power.....

 

Going over by any amount would be a big deal if the Sox are trying to reset the tax penalty.

[Kimmi]

Your right on Frazier.. Bite the bullet at third and call up Devers. The track record has been pretty good the playoff years calling up a legit prospect. Ellsbury, XB, Benny last year. Is Devers that good?

 

I thought I heard the Sox were scouting Neshek?

 

The Sox are scouting Neshek. He's always been a favorite of mine because he is such a spazz. LOL

[Kimmi]

The Sox have a plan with every prospect, and they aren't going to accelerate that plan and screw with a guys development just because the big league club needs help.

 

Now I also happen to think the Sox believe that giving a guy a month worth of at bats at a level that is going to challenge him and he may not be ready for is not going to screw up his development. They can always start him off in AAA again next year. It's an issue now though because if he isn't ready for the show yet he is losing at bats and developmental time at a more appropriate level.

 

But it's hard to imagine that the Sox don't view Devers as being close to ready and could promote him sooner than a September call-up if he's performing well in Pawtucket and they still have concern at the position in a month from now.

 

It makes sense, though I'm not sure about the Sox not accelerating the plan if the big league club needs help. In Devers' case, I'm guessing that he's close enough that any acceleration of the plan would not be significant.

[Spudboy]

To platoon him with Moreland?

 

Trade Moreland.

[mvp 78]

USA Today:

 

Prediction: The Red Sox would love to acquire Frazier and closer David Robertson to be Craig Kimbrel’s setup man, but instead take Frazier and reliever Tommy Kahnle, surrendering No. 2 prospect Jason Groome and No. 9 prospect Michael Chavis.

 

@OverTheMonster

 

My advice would be to ignore that USA Today trade proposal, because it's ludicrous and based on speculation, not input from sources.

[oldtimer]

The Sox are scouting Neshek. He's always been a favorite of mine because he is such a spazz. LOL

 

I also think he would be a good get to shore up the BP. The question is what would it take to bring him in?

 

I think we need to look not only at winning the AL East when considering who we trade for as the probability of that happening may be in the mid 40 percentile with the Yankees and Rays in the high 20s and Baltimore and Toronto dropping out as they reset for next year.

 

The other consideration is do we have the horses or are we likely to get enough to be competitive with the elite teams. Houston, Dodgers, Nationals. If not, lets not sell off our future to pick up any rental player this year. My thinking is to hang on to Devers, Groome and Lin as part of the future of the franchise. I don't think a Holt, Marerro, Moreland, Rameriz and perhaps Leon and young will be in our future plans, so any trade that brings us real quality for them whether now or in the time frame of stocking for next year makes sense.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Alonso doesn't have a track record long enough for me to want to give up Chavis for him.

 

Michael Chavis does not have a long enough track record for the Athletics to trade Yonder Alonso for him.

 

LOL. Thanks for the help guys. LOL.

[sk7326]

I also think he would be a good get to shore up the BP. The question is what would it take to bring him in?

 

I think we need to look not only at winning the AL East when considering who we trade for as the probability of that happening may be in the mid 40 percentile with the Yankees and Rays in the high 20s and Baltimore and Toronto dropping out as they reset for next year.

 

The other consideration is do we have the horses or are we likely to get enough to be competitive with the elite teams. Houston, Dodgers, Nationals. If not, lets not sell off our future to pick up any rental player this year. My thinking is to hang on to Devers, Groome and Lin as part of the future of the franchise. I don't think a Holt, Marerro, Moreland, Rameriz and perhaps Leon and young will be in our future plans, so any trade that brings us real quality for them whether now or in the time frame of stocking for next year makes sense.

 

In baseball I think it's less an either:or. Do we have the horses compared to the other teams - probably not, although it's not obvious - and Cleveland is every bit as good as the teams you mentioned even if the wins have not matched. Get into the tournament and you have a pretty fair shot as winning it. We took 2 in Houston already - it's not magic.

 

There are no huge needle movers on the market - the Sox should not pay for one. But a corner bat (and that could be as simple as a platoon partner for Moreland) and relief depth is very much gettable and will improve the team's odds of getting into October. (which was high anyway) This team is built to play up in October - much more than last year.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Interesting. According to MLB Rumors, the Red Sox are one of the teams that have shown the most interest in JD Martinez. But Benintendi isn't going anywhere, right? So maybe Martinez to DH, Hanley and Moreland platoon at 1b?

 

Against righties, Martinez DH, Benintendi LF, Hanley or Moreland 1b?

Against lefties, Martinez LF, Hanley DH, Moreland or Travis 1b?

 

I see Y.Alonso as a better target, since he can play 1b. But Martinez would be a nice addition to the lineup.

[bowman]

The way we are hitting right now, and waisting quality starts, something needs to be done. We need some kind of a jolt. This isn't the first time our bats went dead this year. Really sucks to watch...

[Hugh2]

This looks like the team that got swept in the first round of the playoffs last year.

[WVRedSoxFan]

Let's trade Hanley for a bat.

[Jasonbay44]

Let's trade Hanley for a bat.

 

Good luck getting anything of value for an overpaid DH.

[Spudboy]

Good luck getting anything of value for an overpaid DH.

 

Especially one who is a sloth.

[moonslav59]

Interesting. According to MLB Rumors, the Red Sox are one of the teams that have shown the most interest in JD Martinez. But Benintendi isn't going anywhere, right? So maybe Martinez to DH, Hanley and Moreland platoon at 1b?

 

Against righties, Martinez DH, Benintendi LF, Hanley or Moreland 1b?

Against lefties, Martinez LF, Hanley DH, Moreland or Travis 1b?

 

I see Y.Alonso as a better target, since he can play 1b. But Martinez would be a nice addition to the lineup.

 

I'll choke to death, if they trade for an OF'er or anyone who moves HRam to a platoon.

 

Even if they trade Moreland, I doubt they trade for Martinez (Alosno- maybe).

 

I'm not sure you can believe all the rumors.

 

I guess, if we could trade HRam and cash for a prospect(s) and then trade for a big bat, it could be doable.

[moonslav59]

Let's trade Hanley for a bat.

 

It would have to be a 3 way trade or 2 separate trades.

 

HRam to a contender for a prospect.

 

Prospects to a contender for a meaningful big bat.

[harmony]

It would have to be a 3 way trade or 2 separate trades.

 

HRam to a contender for a prospect.

 

Prospects to a contender for a meaningful big bat.

What prospect could the Red Sox land for Hanley Ramirez, who has posted 0.1 fWAR this year on his annual salary of $22 million?

 

The Sox would likely need to add a prospect to offset the negative value of Ramirez.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

To improve the lineup, it is more important to replace Moreland than Hanley, since Hanley has a better bat. Alonso would allow the Red Sox to send Moreland to the bench, where he can be a useful player (give Hanley an occasional day off against a tough righty). In this scenario, the Red Sox middle of the order would revolve around Alonso and Hanley. In contrast, a Martinez acquisition would likely send Hanley to the bench (or put him in a strict platoon) and the middle of the order would revolve around Martinez and Moreland.

 

Offensively, I think Alonso and Hanley are better than Martinez and Moreland.

 

I don't think the Red Sox would seriously consider playing Hanley at 1b at this point and thus if they acquire Martinez, Hanley replaces C.Young as Benintendi's platoon partner and Moreland remains the everyday 1b. True, Martinez is better than Hanley and so an upgrade occurs (also, Hanley is better than C.Young) but the acquisition leaves in place a slumping 1b in Moreland and the Red Sox would still need to address the 3b situation. Let's say they acquire JD Martinez and Nunez for 3b.

 

Against RHP

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Martinez (DH)

Moreland (1b)

Benintendi (LF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Bradley (CF)

Vazquez ©

 

Against LHP

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Martinez (LF)

Hanley (DH)

Bradley (CF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Moreland (1b)

Vazquez ©

 

Such a lineup would be better than what they have now. That much is true. But maybe there is a better way to do this....

Edited July 18, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[notin]

Why wouldn't a Martinez acquisition simply return Hanley to 1b?

[notin]

Prado to the DL with a knee sprain.

 

I guess we can ignore those rumors.

 

Frazier talks probably intensify, but why does the media insist he'll be so cheap?

[jad]

Prado to the DL with a knee sprain.

 

I guess we can ignore those rumors.

 

Frazier talks probably intensify, but why does the media insist he'll be so cheap?

 

I just don't get it. Why would the RS pay millions to acquire a guy who's having a bad year, hitting close to the Mendoza line, and whose only effect would be to keep Devers in the minors another year?

[BstHcpr]

I just don't get it. Why would the RS pay millions to acquire a guy who's having a bad year, hitting close to the Mendoza line, and whose only effect would be to keep Devers in the minors another year?

 

Because there are other components of hitting besides batting average.

[Hugh2]

Good luck getting anything of value for an overpaid DH.

 

People in a pennant race will always overpay for hitting or pitching. Especially if you throw some money into the deal.

[Hugh2]

I just don't get it. Why would the RS pay millions to acquire a guy who's having a bad year, hitting close to the Mendoza line, and whose only effect would be to keep Devers in the minors another year?

 

His .761 OPS is better than what we got at 3B right now. And I wouldn't be surprised if his numbers take a tick up at Fenway Park and with the motivation of being part of a race.

[notin]

I just don't get it. Why would the RS pay millions to acquire a guy who's having a bad year, hitting close to the Mendoza line, and whose only effect would be to keep Devers in the minors another year?

 

Because he's a step up from Sandoval?

[oldtimer]

To improve the lineup, it is more important to replace Moreland than Hanley, since Hanley has a better bat. Alonso would allow the Red Sox to send Moreland to the bench, where he can be a useful player (give Hanley an occasional day off against a tough righty). In this scenario, the Red Sox middle of the order would revolve around Alonso and Hanley. In contrast, a Martinez acquisition would likely send Hanley to the bench (or put him in a strict platoon) and the middle of the order would revolve around Martinez and Moreland.

 

Offensively, I think Alonso and Hanley are better than Martinez and Moreland.

 

I don't think the Red Sox would seriously consider playing Hanley at 1b at this point and thus if they acquire Martinez, Hanley replaces C.Young as Benintendi's platoon partner and Moreland remains the everyday 1b. True, Martinez is better than Hanley and so an upgrade occurs (also, Hanley is better than C.Young) but the acquisition leaves in place a slumping 1b in Moreland and the Red Sox would still need to address the 3b situation. Let's say they acquire JD Martinez and Nunez for 3b.

 

Against RHP

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Martinez (DH)

Moreland (1b)

Benintendi (LF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Bradley (CF)

Vazquez ©

 

Against LHP

Nunez (3b)

Pedroia (2b)

Betts (RF)

Martinez (LF)

Hanley (DH)

Bradley (CF)

Bogaerts (SS)

Moreland (1b)

Vazquez ©

 

Such a lineup would be better than what they have now. That much is true. But maybe there is a better way to do this....

 

I question whether any pickups that we are likely to make will bring us more than an American League East win. If that is so, we want to preserve what is right about the club and consider the future. We have excellent starting pitching and an excellent closer. We have Pedroia, Betts, Bradley and Bennintendi as foundation players.

 

We have Devers as a potential additional foundation player and Lin as a high quality utility option. We have Groome as a potential home grown starter.

 

Beyond them, we have Hanley, who is okay but no world beater and Bogaerts who is okay as well but I am losing faith that he can be a foundation player going forward.

 

The entire remaining group is expendible, including the catchers although keeping Vazquez is probably the smartest move.

 

So getting a rental relief pitcher for this year makes some sense. Getting help at first makes sense, but I might look at a multiyear approach there. Travis might fit in but perhaps a better option might come along. Moreland is still useful but is probably not going to be around next year. Looking at catching options if something good becomes available might also make some sense.

 

All the rumors which fly around at this time of year usually have some basis but a lot are just GM misdirections. I believe DD is exploring many avenues as he and the FO recognize that this team has many shortcomings which in my view are not correctable for World Series contention. Do the best we can and solidify the team going forward.

[cp176]

My feelings about trying to retain all of - Betts, Benintendi, Bradley, and Bogaerts - are starting to change. If it could be done at a resonalbly competitive cost then maybe. I think that we are likely seeing what Bradley and Bogaerts are going to be going forward. As much as I like them, I think that they quite possibly can be replaced with players of equal talent and value. With Benintendi and Betts I think the jury is still out as to what we might be looking at down the line. If keeping them all comes at the expense of signing players that could help us in other ways and in other areas, it just might not be ultimately worth it.