Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[Bellhorn04]

Even though our ability to score runs has been frustratingly inconsistent and our pen has been pretty good, I think a late inning reliever is a bigger need than a small upgrade at 3B. Kelly's injury sounds like it may be long term.

 

Adding someone like Frazier (or even Beltre, for that matter) isn't going to solve our offensive problems. The guys that we have still need to perform like they are capable of performing.

 

The way I see it, if you add Frazier you're certainly not expecting to solve offensive problems. You're just hoping he might help you win a game or two down the stretch with a timely long ball. He might even just be a bridge to Devers in September.

[oldtimer]

The way I see it, if you add Frazier you're certainly not expecting to solve offensive problems. You're just hoping he might help you win a game or two down the stretch with a timely long ball. He might even just be a bridge to Devers in September.

 

Not worth the cost.

[Bellhorn04]

Not worth the cost.

 

I'm assuming a low cost.

[Jasonbay44]

Nationals just acquired Madson and Doolittle. Guess those guys wont be options anymore.

[Jack Flap]

You guys have just about talked me out of Frazier... the Big D may not be reading this forum, however:

 

Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 28m28 minutes ago

The #Redsox moving closer to acquiring #Whitesox 3B Todd Frazier. Be interesting if Boston can get David Robertson as setup man in package

[a700hitter]

You guys have just about talked me out of Frazier... the Big D may not be reading this forum, however:

 

Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 28m28 minutes ago

The #Redsox moving closer to acquiring #Whitesox 3B Todd Frazier. Be interesting if Boston can get David Robertson as setup man in package

I wouldn't mind picking him up if we got Robertson too.

[Hugh2]

I said it in the beginning and I'll say it now. The Sox need a late inning reliever and a 3B who can hit NOW.

 

If you can get Frazier/Robertson without giving up Groome/Devers.........you do it.

[Larry Cook]

I said it in the beginning and I'll say it now. The Sox need a late inning reliever and a 3B who can hit NOW.

 

If you can get Frazier/Robertson without giving up Groome/Devers.........you do it.

 

Isn't Frazier only hitting .213?

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Isn't Frazier only hitting .213?

 

Yep, which is why the Red Sox might be better off saving their prospects for a more potent bat, e.g., Y.Alonso, and let Devers take over 3b in September.

[Behindenemylines]

Isn't Frazier only hitting .213?

 

That is after a poor opening to the season. Hitting better the last month and with some power. We are not winning the division with the current platoon at 3B. The rest of the lineup doesn't hit enough to carry them. Lin is probably a younger version of Holt.

[harmony]

The way I see it, if you add Frazier you're certainly not expecting to solve offensive problems. You're just hoping he might help you win a game or two down the stretch with a timely long ball. He might even just be a bridge to Devers in September.

This year Todd Frazier has posted a wRC+ 104 -- with rest-of-season projections of 101, 106 and 103 -- at a position where Red Sox third basemen have produced a wRC+ of 61 this year:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=785&position=3B

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

 

Frazier has an OPS+ of 107 while Red Sox third basemen have an sOPS+ of 63.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/frazito01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=BOS&year=2017

 

Many Red Sox fans underestimate Frazier's worth. ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts have only four Red Sox hitters exceeding the rest-of-season WAR projections of Frazier (who is projected to produce at least at the level of Andrew Benintendi).

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=rzips&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=24,d

Edited July 16, 2017 by harmony

[harmony]

Isn't Frazier only hitting .213?

With an on-base percentage of .330 (compared to the .292 OBP posted by Red Sox third basemen this year).

 

Batting average is so rarely cited in player valuations these days.

 

As a side note, the huge new scoreboard at San Diego's Petco Park has so much information that I struggled to find the stats I wanted. But one player stat was conspicuous in its absence: batting average. Times have changed.

Edited July 16, 2017 by harmony

[Behindenemylines]

This year Todd Frazier has posted a wRC+ 104 -- with rest-of-season projections of 101, 106 and 103 -- at a position where Red Sox third basemen have produced a wRC+ of 61 this year:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=785&position=3B

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d

 

Frazier has an OPS+ of 107 while Red Sox third basemen have an sOPS+ of 63.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/frazito01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=BOS&year=2017

 

Many Red Sox fans underestimate Frazier's worth. ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts have only four Red Sox hitters exceeding the rest-of-season WAR projections of Frazier (who is projected to produce at least at the level of Andrew Benintendi).

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=rzips&team=3&lg=all&players=0&sort=24,d

 

I totally agree with you. Plus you do not lose a lot with his glove. DD needs to make this happen before the Sox throw the season away.

[cp176]

The arguement against going after someone like Frazier would be that even if he provided an upgrade over what we currently send out there to third, it would likely not really be much of a difference maker. Trading anyone for him so that he could play the position for the rest of this season just doesn't seem to make any sense. He ain't that good.

[Kimmi]

The way I see it, if you add Frazier you're certainly not expecting to solve offensive problems. You're just hoping he might help you win a game or two down the stretch with a timely long ball. He might even just be a bridge to Devers in September.

 

Fair enough. It all depends on what he costs, of course.

[Kimmi]

You guys have just about talked me out of Frazier... the Big D may not be reading this forum, however:

 

Bob Nightengale‏Verified account @BNightengale 28m28 minutes ago

The #Redsox moving closer to acquiring #Whitesox 3B Todd Frazier. Be interesting if Boston can get David Robertson as setup man in package

 

Robertson would put us over the luxury tax limit. This might be doable if the White Sox are willing to eat some of his remaining salary.

[Spudboy]

Not worth the cost.

 

Ding ding ding.

 

We have a winner.

[MADSTORK]

Robertson would put us over the luxury tax limit. This might be doable if the White Sox are willing to eat some of his remaining salary.

 

 

Contracts are paid out over a 6 month time frame. If Boston acquires Robertson any time now until the deadline they pick up only 4 mill of the 12 mill owed to the player. Same with Frazier. You could get both for 8mill for the remaining 17 season. That is not taking into account what the luxury tax % hit was on those two contracts. Remember, Sale making 12 mill, only 6 counts towards the luxury tax cap...

 

Right now I had Boston at around 185 million vs luxury tax of 195 give or take the draft picks signed and international pool money.

 

I figure there is 10 to spend..

[BstHcpr]

Ding ding ding.

 

We have a winner.

 

He'd probably could be had for a rookie ball prospect. Decent bat, and good insurance if Devers struggles when he gets the call.

 

I think we should call the Padres about Solarte, though. Cost is probably too high, but he'd a be a bigger impact player than Frazier.

[harmony]

He'd probably could be had for a rookie ball prospect. Decent bat, and good insurance if Devers struggles when he gets the call.

 

I think we should call the Padres about Solarte, though. Cost is probably too high, but he'd a be a bigger impact player than Frazier.

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 1.0, 1.2 and 1.2 for Todd Frazier and 0.7, 0.8 and 0.8 for Yangervis Solarte:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=785&position=3B

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5352&position=2B/3B

 

Because he comes with two more years of team control, Solarte is likely to cost more in trade (for less immediate contribution).

[BstHcpr]

ZiPS, Steamer and FanGraphs Depth Charts project rest-of-season WAR of 1.0, 1.2 and 1.2 for Todd Frazier and 0.7, 0.8 and 0.8 for Yangervis Solarte:

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=785&position=3B

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=5352&position=2B/3B

 

Because he comes with two more years of team control, Solarte is likely to cost more in trade (for less immediate contribution).

 

I think Solarte is better than the projected offensive number Fangraphs have, but I wouldn't complain if we got Frazier.

[Nick]

Why are we afraid to trot out Devers? Lin came up and performed better than expected. All Devers has to do is what he's been doing.

 

IT COSTS US NOTHING TO HAVE A LOOK. NOTHING. MEANWHILE WE'RE GOING TO EXPEND MONEY AND PROSPECTS FOR A RENTAL. UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE.

[mvp 78]

Why are we afraid to trot out Devers? Lin came up and performed better than expected. All Devers has to do is what he's been doing.

 

IT COSTS US NOTHING TO HAVE A LOOK. NOTHING. MEANWHILE WE'RE GOING TO EXPEND MONEY AND PROSPECTS FOR A RENTAL. UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE.

 

^^^

[sk7326]

Why are we afraid to trot out Devers? Lin came up and performed better than expected. All Devers has to do is what he's been doing.

 

IT COSTS US NOTHING TO HAVE A LOOK. NOTHING. MEANWHILE WE'RE GOING TO EXPEND MONEY AND PROSPECTS FOR A RENTAL. UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE.

 

what he said - now i do not know if there is a free spot on the 40 for him yet ... well, DFAing Pablo creates one for sure

[mvp 78]

what he said - now i do not know if there is a free spot on the 40 for him yet ... well, DFAing Pablo creates one for sure

 

There are spots.

 

Selsky

Kyle Martin

Noe Ramirez

[BstHcpr]

Why are we afraid to trot out Devers? Lin came up and performed better than expected. All Devers has to do is what he's been doing.

 

IT COSTS US NOTHING TO HAVE A LOOK. NOTHING. MEANWHILE WE'RE GOING TO EXPEND MONEY AND PROSPECTS FOR A RENTAL. UNFREAKING BELIEVABLE.

 

Bogaerts was higher regarded and had better numbers than Devers when he was called up in 2013, and he still struggled making the adjustment. Most prospects do. It doesn't hurt to have an insurance policy.

[illinoisredsox]

what he said - now i do not know if there is a free spot on the 40 for him yet ... well, DFAing Pablo creates one for sure

 

Pretty sure Holt took Pablo's 40-man slot when they activated him off the 60-day DL (players on the 60 day don't count towards the 40-man)

[Kimmi]

Contracts are paid out over a 6 month time frame. If Boston acquires Robertson any time now until the deadline they pick up only 4 mill of the 12 mill owed to the player. Same with Frazier. You could get both for 8mill for the remaining 17 season. That is not taking into account what the luxury tax % hit was on those two contracts. Remember, Sale making 12 mill, only 6 counts towards the luxury tax cap...

 

Right now I had Boston at around 185 million vs luxury tax of 195 give or take the draft picks signed and international pool money.

 

I figure there is 10 to spend..

 

I don't know what the exact figures are, but my understanding is that we have about $6 mil to spare and acquiring Frazier and Robertson would cost us about $8 mil. I read yesterday that getting both would put us over. I may very well be misinformed.

[mvp 78]

Pretty sure Holt took Pablo's 40-man slot when they activated him off the 60-day DL (players on the 60 day don't count towards the 40-man)

 

The only remaining guy on the 60 day that could see time this year is Carson Smith.

 

Selsky's spot is useless imo.

[mvp 78]

I don't know what the exact figures are, but my understanding is that we have about $6 mil to spare and acquiring Frazier and Robertson would cost us about $8 mil. I read yesterday that getting both would put us over. I may very well be misinformed.

 

I don't think the Sox will get Robertson. If they get Frazier, I hope it's on the cheap. Otherwise, it's a waste of prospects to me. If he was on a longer deal and they wanted to move him to 1b, I'd understand the trade.