Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[Slasher9]

So here’s the bottom bat for the past 8 WS Champions

231 / 666

230 / 631

255 / 640

246 / 713

227 / 696

219 / 671

246 / 753

230 / 659

 

It is possible to have a parade with a black hole on offense at the end of your lineup.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

So here’s the bottom bat for the past 8 WS Champions

231 / 666

230 / 631

255 / 640

246 / 713

227 / 696

219 / 671

246 / 753

230 / 659

 

It is possible to have a parade with a black hole on offense at the end of your lineup.

 

I was hoping to see at least one worse than JBJ .202BA .628OPS

To be fair, by the end of the season these stats could be higher. Or not.

Edited July 6, 2018 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[Slasher9]

I was hoping to see at least one worse than JBJ .202BA .628OPS

To be fair, by the end of the season these stats could be higher. Or not.

 

Well for the NL winner the bottom of the lineup stats are worse. much much worse. it would be the pitcher. i did not include the 9 hitter for NL teams.

[S5Dewey]

So here’s the bottom bat for the past 8 WS Champions

231 / 666

230 / 631

255 / 640

246 / 713

227 / 696

219 / 671

246 / 753

230 / 659

 

It is possible to have a parade with a black hole on offense at the end of your lineup.

 

And again we focus on offense rather than defense. :-(

 

This only takes into consideration the offensive contribution of the #9 hitter. I'd contend that JBJ's contribution to the team is much greater than the usual #9 hitter's contribution because of JBJ's defense. IMO what he brings on defense far outweighs the couple of 'extra' hits the usual #9 hitter might get.

[Station 13]

So here’s the bottom bat for the past 8 WS Champions

231 / 666

230 / 631

255 / 640

246 / 713

227 / 696

219 / 671

246 / 753

230 / 659

 

It is possible to have a parade with a black hole on offense at the end of your lineup.

Well except we got 3 more JBJs.

[Station 13]

End of story.

 

but 2000 posts over JBJ? :cool:

[Slasher9]

And again we focus on offense rather than defense. :-(

 

This only takes into consideration the offensive contribution of the #9 hitter. I'd contend that JBJ's contribution to the team is much greater than the usual #9 hitter's contribution because of JBJ's defense. IMO what he brings on defense far outweighs the couple of 'extra' hits the usual #9 hitter might get.

exactly. and some of those are actually #8 hitters for the NL team.

[Slasher9]

duplicate. sorry

[Sox75]

but 2000 posts over JBJ? :cool:

 

Vaz, Sandy, and Devers are all up significantly in the last 30 games.

 

We can't judge them over the whole season. I only care about where they are trending. Currently, they are all contributing to this win streak.

Edited July 6, 2018 by Sox75

[Natick to NC]

As much as we we want this guy to hit he's sitting at 200 in July .Dave will trade JBJ only because he feels the team needs a better bat .

[Sox75]

As much as we we want this guy to hit he's sitting at 200 in July .Dave will trade JBJ only because he feels the team needs a better bat .

 

It's not gonna happen. He's not going to SMASH through the luxury tax to rent a guy for 1 yr.

 

JBJ is too valuable for that, & there aren't any better CF's with a big bat available right now.

 

Who exactly is going to give up a big bat CF'r for JBJ right now? Why would they do that? Sorry Natick, it makes no sense.

 

Give us a scenario that makes sense, and tell us how we stay under the cap?

 

For the record, I have NO PROBLEM busting the budget, but I'm not dumping JBJ for a 3 month rental for JBJ, unless they are A BIG BAT, & we have several years control.

[SoxHop]

What kind of blows my mind is how emotional people get about JBJ and his role with the Sox and his role with Sox history. Passion and passionate. Kind of why I like you people.

 

No matter what, in my time, that guy has given me more baseball joy watching him play than any other player outside of some sluggers or some ace pitchers. I'll always feel lucky to have been able to see the guy on the field.

[Behindenemylines]

If team was having trouble scoring runs then the debate on moving JBJ would probably be more even. I don’t think JBJ is a top five issue right now. If Sox come up short then they revisit this in the offseason.

[moonslav59]

I've been a huge JBJ supporter since day one- mostly because I love defense and JBJ's calm approach.

 

That being said, if we trade him this off season, I won't be shocked or hurt, as long as we get a great glove OF'er to replace him.

[notin]

I've been a huge JBJ supporter since day one- mostly because I love defense and JBJ's calm approach.

 

That being said, if we trade him this off season, I won't be shocked or hurt, as long as we get a great glove OF'er to replace him.

 

Why would the Sox trade Bradley for a good glove no bat outfielder? Or, if the goal was to get a hitter, why would another team trade a good bat good glove outfielder for Bradley?

[oldtimer]

I've been a huge JBJ supporter since day one- mostly because I love defense and JBJ's calm approach.

 

That being said, if we trade him this off season, I won't be shocked or hurt, as long as we get a great glove OF'er to replace him.

 

I agree totally with that approach. I expect his cost next year will be above $8 mil and we should definitely look to see if we can do better. No sense in doing it unless there is a player that we think surpasses JBJ and is of equal or less money. I don't see anyone in our minors that is ready to take the role.

[notin]

I agree totally with that approach. I expect his cost next year will be above $8 mil and we should definitely look to see if we can do better. No sense in doing it unless there is a player that we think surpasses JBJ and is of equal or less money. I don't see anyone in our minors that is ready to take the role.

 

If JBJ winds up making more than Castillo, should the Sox trade JBJ?

[moonslav59]

Why would the Sox trade Bradley for a good glove no bat outfielder? Or, if the goal was to get a hitter, why would another team trade a good bat good glove outfielder for Bradley?

 

I didn't mean trade JBJ for a good glove OF'er, but if that OF'er is cheaper and can field as well as JBJ, then a trade might be a net plus, even if the next guy can't hit any better than JBJ.

 

My guess is, we might trade JBJ and some pitcher like Beeks or Johnson for a good SP'er to take Pom's place. Then, we sign or trade for a cheap OF'er who has a great glove. If the guy can't hit, he won't cost much and we break even in CF, but have something to show for the JBJ trade and more money to spend.

 

This is what I meant by not being "hurt", if we trade him. If we trade him for scraps and move JD to LF FT and Beni to CF, then I will likely be "hurt", depending on who we get for JBJ and how much of an upgrade the return brings us elsewhere.

[notin]

Castillo has shown himself to be a capable defender in limited action. At some point, he won’t be too much more expensive than Bradley, if at all...

[Bellhorn04]

Castillo has shown himself to be a capable defender in limited action. At some point, he won’t be too much more expensive than Bradley, if at all...

 

Castillo's salary of course is a sunk cost, his only incremental cost would be tax & penalty-related.

[notin]

Castillo's salary of course is a sunk cost, his only incremental cost would be tax & penalty-related.

 

Castillo makes about $12mill annually. If JBJ starts making $9-10mill next year, Castillo is barely an increase. The Sox could trade JBJ and replace him for maybe $2-3mill more. It might be cheaper than using free agency to fill holes...

[cp176]

Castillo makes about $12mill annually. If JBJ starts making $9-10mill next year, Castillo is barely an increase. The Sox could trade JBJ and replace him for maybe $2-3mill more. It might be cheaper than using free agency to fill holes...

 

I think that you are coming up with some good ones these days. We may never be able to replace JBJ's glove and at this time we don't even need to think about it. But if he were replaced by someone who could field an outfield position as well as Benintendi, costs less and hits substantially better, it would be foolish not to explore that. One of the things to consider is though how would trading JBJ affect that clubhouse. Seems like a pretty tight knit group and if that would upset the chemistry at all then it might not be worth it. Who knows - maybe Castillo???

[StephenCurry30]

if jbj sucks as many people seem to think, why does his value go up in arbitration?

[harmony]

if jbj sucks as many people seem to think, why does his value go up in arbitration?

Many people don’t know how to properly value a player such as Jackie Bradley.

 

MLB front offices and Bradley’s agent have a better idea.

[SoxHop]

Many people don’t know how to properly value a player such as Jackie Bradley.

 

MLB front offices and Bradley’s agent have a better idea.

 

JBJ's magic month keeps him above water. Without that magic month. Well. Bradley's agent has some explaining to do.

[Natick to NC]

JBJ is now hitting what 198 on July 8th .Even the ones of us who have been his strongest supporters are done defending him .The man is uncoachble Hitting a baseball.Time to move on when it's possible to strengthen the team .We all wanted this player to succeed and it never happened .

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I didn't mean trade JBJ for a good glove OF'er, but if that OF'er is cheaper and can field as well as JBJ, then a trade might be a net plus, even if the next guy can't hit any better than JBJ.

 

My guess is, we might trade JBJ and some pitcher like Beeks or Johnson for a good SP'er to take Pom's place. Then, we sign or trade for a cheap OF'er who has a great glove. If the guy can't hit, he won't cost much and we break even in CF, but have something to show for the JBJ trade and more money to spend.

 

This is what I meant by not being "hurt", if we trade him. If we trade him for scraps and move JD to LF FT and Beni to CF, then I will likely be "hurt", depending on who we get for JBJ and how much of an upgrade the return brings us elsewhere.

 

Another option would be to platoon Pearce, JD and JBJ in the OF. I believe a RP is more of a priority than another OF.

[Jasonbay44]

JBJ is now hitting what 198 on July 8th .Even the ones of us who have been his strongest supporters are done defending him .The man is uncoachble Hitting a baseball.Time to move on when it's possible to strengthen the team .We all wanted this player to succeed and it never happened .

 

You are not one of his strongest supporters, you've already been "done" with him about 12 times, and wanted him DFA or released another couple dozen times. I am not done with JBJ.

[Natick to NC]

You are not one of his strongest supporters, you've already been "done" with him about 12 times, and wanted him DFA or released another couple dozen times. I am not done with JBJ.

 

Ok ok maybe your right !!!maybe I'm sick and tired of his bat !!! 198 As of July 8 ? He suuuuuucks he's a full time player not a part timer like Sandy ...he's terrible .

[moonslav59]

Many people don’t know how to properly value a player such as Jackie Bradley.

 

MLB front offices and Bradley’s agent have a better idea.

 

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